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[nextgen_RavensFan]

I was not trying to be anti Raven. I was simplt stating that as a Ravens fan i see the Steelers and Bengals as veru big threats that will be very competitive for years to come and if we do not improve we will be stuck in the same spot we are in which is 3rd place in our division.

 

It is kind of sad to think that the Bengals Defense used to be us "Ravens". We were aggressive, fast to the ball and if you step onto our field you will get hit. We are no longer like that. No one fears us, we are not aggressive. We need that again. I love the Ravens as much as any fan could and want to see them win every year but it seems that we have fallen so far behind.

 

I just do not see a quick fix. We need to settle our O'line which has put Flacco in harms way to often. Our receivers are lack luster at best and that is just offense. Our defense seems so undisciplined. No on can tackle, coverage is a mess and there are no leaders. The good players we do have are just temporary fixes. SSS is year to year. Suggs is probably at the point where he could announce his retirement in a year or so.  Is just a hard time for the Ravens right now. 

[harfordravenfan]

36 million in cap space, In the past they are a cheap franchise, let's see what they do,

I hope they remain cheap.

 

I'm hoping everyone of those players hold out for a huge payday

[usmccharles]

2-0 this season

4-1 the last two seasons with the one being the game right after Jimmy getting hurt.

8-3 over the last 5 years against the Steelers.

 

I don't know how anyone can think we don't have the Steelers' number.  Maybe it changes, but as of now, the Ravens are the better head to head team.  

 

Oh and I don't care about them not having Bell in last year's playoff game when they had every other starter.  We didn't have J.Smith, Monroe, Wagner, and were down to Webb plus 5th and 6th stringers in the secondary.  We still won by 2 scores.

Good points, whats our playoff record against them?  since the Flacco era, curious to know

[Purple_City39]

Good points, whats our playoff record against them?  since the Flacco era, curious to know

1-2.  They beat us in 08 and 2010 and we beat them last year.

 

All around, they had Joe and Harbaugh's number between 2008 and 2010 (Ravens were 2-6 against the Steelers in that time, including playoffs).  Things took turned completely around starting in 2011.

[usmccharles]

1-2. They beat us in 08 and 2010 and we beat them last year.

All around, they had Joe and Harbaugh's number between 2008 and 2010 (Ravens were 2-6 against the Steelers in that time, including playoffs). Things took turned completely around starting in 2011.

guess I just have those playoff losses in my head

[edthehead]

guess I just have those playoff losses in my head

I just like to talk Ravens football,

 

and to let you know, I have stole your name "JUDGE TREAD"(usmccharles) lol,

 

that's who I want us to draft, so you will see me using it but you will have the credit, 

[usmccharles]

I just like to talk Ravens football,

and to let you know, I have stole your name "JUDGE TREAD"(usmccharles) lol,

that's who I want us to draft, so you will see me using it but you will have the credit,

I'm with you on this... And glad you like the nick name. Glad I get the credit lol, much respect

[terrynjulia03]

Hue Jackson just took the Browns HC job. So theres 1 coordinator down.

[757RavensFan]

One thing that is overlooked here is coaching.  I think Harbaugh is head and shoulders above both Tomlin and Lewis.

 

When it comes to CIN, Lewis beats us b/c overall I think they're more talented than us on offense and defense.  

 

When it comes to PIT: Even though they're way more talented than we are on offense, we have better coaching and that's why we've beaten them pretty consistently over the past 5 years. 

[JoeyFlex5]

swept the steelers, and was 1 missed tackle from splitting with the bengals with half of our offense and best defensive starter on IR. 

 

bengals are in for a roster purge in a few years, the coaching staff may not be able to stick around much longer if they keep acting like kindergartners on the field, and their team is still young and many of their starters will be commanding a lot of money in free agency over the next few years, 3 years from now they will be a completely different team and it looks very possible that their whole organization gets flipped upside down in the near future. 

 

the steelers are still incomplete, have no future at qb and barely have a present starter considering how bad their OL is and how injured roethlisberger is. in the draft they are swinging and missing like chris davis with runners on base, every year they take another high upside guy who never develops into even a solid rotational player, shazier is the only bright spot on their defense, and bell/brown are the only reason they can feel good about the offenses future. 

 

if the ravens can have a decent rebound year and at least finish .500 and show some fortitude, and we can continue to build around our core, and if joe can take a team friendly long term restructure, then i have no reason to think we arent the perennial frontrunners 3-4 years from now. our long term future is much less bleak than either of their teams, even if their short term is birghter

[K-Dog]

Pitts-burgh and Cincy will ALWAYS be a tough opponent. To one degree or another at least.

[cushrinada1986]

People thought the Bengals had the perfect squad when they had Palmer, TJ, and Chad on offense, remember that? Anyone remember how many rings they came away with during that span? exactly! I have never expected an Ohio team to make the big game anytime soon. Biggest challenge is Steelers, they like to win to play spoiler alot. you give Jimmy, and Suggs/Doom some back up on DB/OLB and SSS some back up on offense at WR and we run through a couple teams next season like hot butter.

[Winchester]

One thing that is overlooked here is coaching.  I think Harbaugh is head and shoulders above both Tomlin and Lewis.

 

When it comes to CIN, Lewis beats us b/c overall I think they're more talented than us on offense and defense.  

 

When it comes to PIT: Even though they're way more talented than we are on offense, we have better coaching and that's why we've beaten them pretty consistently over the past 5 years.

The rivals are not more talented than the ravens on offense. Ravens down the stretch fronted the best OLine in the NFL. Ask Pittsburgh and cincis star studded DLines. With Campanaro returning well conditioned as will Maxx and pro day returning, the ravens are a #1 go to receiver like Treadwell from the best offense in the NFL.

[usmccharles]

The rivals are not more talented than the ravens on offense. Ravens down the stretch fronted the best OLine in the NFL. Ask Pittsburgh and cincis star studded DLines. With Campanaro returning well conditioned as will Maxx and pro day returning, the ravens are a #1 go to receiver like Treadwell from the best offense in the NFL.

We may have a better oline than pitt, but they have the better rbs, and clearly they have the better wr corps than us. Wheaton and bryant would be our number one easily. They have better weapons.

Cinci is one of the most balanced teams in the league.

But we have Joe, I'll take that any day

Edited January 14, 2016 by usmccharles

[Militant X 1]

Stop it brah

 

We just beat the Steelers with a 3rd string team and a 3rd string QB. when they're fighting for a playoff spot and the Ravens were done for the year. 

 

The Ravens can beat any team in NFL if healthy, including our division rivals. 

 

Thank you!

[Winchester]

We may have a better olive than pitt, but they have the better rbs, and clearly they have the better wr corps than us.  Wheaton and bryant would be our number one easily.  They have better weapons.

 

Cinci is one of the most balanced teams in the league.  

 

But we have Joe,  I'll take that any day

And the ravens have Campanaro returning from an offseason on an island to condition for football. He wants to be great. Maxx is doing something similar but not quite that intense. Pro day is returning and ravens could draft Treadwell if wanted. That qualifies as better than the rivals considering the violent Oline!! Pittsburgh and cinci have better RBs only. Spiller would be interesting behind that Oline.

[Moderator 3]

We may have a better olive than pitt,

Auto-correct?

[usmccharles]

And the ravens have Campanaro returning from an offseason on an island to condition for football. He wants to be great. Maxx is doing something similar but not quite that intense. Pro day is returning and ravens could draft Treadwell if wanted. That qualifies as better than the rivals considering the violent Oline!! Pittsburgh and cinci have better RBs only. Spiller would be interesting behind that Oline.

our wr corps isn't close to Pitt. I love camp, but he hasn't done anything yet, we can't just go off potential, sadly I don't think he will have a healthy season like you, but I hope your right. And I'm excited about BP but we just don't know... There's a reason why Pitt has one of the best offenses in the league...

[usmccharles]

Auto-correct?

yea. I hate posting on my phone. And using the mobile site it doesn't let me multi quote

[757RavensFan]

The rivals are not more talented than the ravens on offense. Ravens down the stretch fronted the best OLine in the NFL. Ask Pittsburgh and cincis star studded DLines. With Campanaro returning well conditioned as will Maxx and pro day returning, the ravens are a #1 go to receiver like Treadwell from the best offense in the NFL.

 

You're joking right?  

 

WRs: advantage PIT. Brown, Bryant and Wheaton are way better than any receiver trio we put on the field this year. 

QB:  advantage PIT. IMO, Rothleisberger is a better QB than Flacco. I don't like Ben at all, but it is what it is. 

RB:  advantage PIT.  Bell and Williams are better than any of our RBs.

TEs: advantage BAL.  Young and talented. 

OLine: advantage BAL:  Enough said. 

 

Coaching is the major advantage we have over the Steelers and that's how we overcome the disadvantage of lesser talent on offense. 

 

BTW, thinking Campanaro is going to be an X-factor on offense is a BIG reach. A healthy Perriman will have a bigger impact on the offense than Camp. 

[Winchester]

You're joking right?  

 

WRs: advantage PIT. Brown, Bryant and Wheaton are way better than any receiver trio we put on the field this year. 

QB:  advantage PIT. IMO, Rothleisberger is a better QB than Flacco. I don't like Ben at all, but it is what it is. 

RB:  advantage PIT.  Bell and Williams are better than any of our RBs.

TEs: advantage BAL.  Young and talented. 

OLine: advantage BAL:  Enough said. 

 

Coaching is the major advantage we have over the Steelers and that's how we overcome the disadvantage of lesser talent on offense. 

 

BTW, thinking Campanaro is going to be an X-factor on offense is a BIG reach. A healthy Perriman will have a bigger impact on the offense than Camp.

Perriman will have a bigger impact than Campanaro?? What are you basing that on?? Travis Snailor was supposed to have a bigger impact than Stokley once Taylor returned from injury. NEVER HAPPENED!! I mean pro day may have a bigger impact. It would be ideal for the tandem to play 19 games and be impact players. But what are you basing this on?? Pro day Perriman being a #1 pick and his pro day numbers?? He has size on Campanaro. Do you place much importance on intelligence and work ethic?? Do you know ANYTHING about Campanaros offseason training and nutrition program or the results it or similar training regimens typically produce?? In regards to avoiding injury, strength, speed and athleticism.

Pittsburgh receivers are better than anything the ravens fronted this yr. However ravens have young and talented receivers returning from injury. And will add a significant receiver in the draft and or free agency or trade. Bryant is a great athlete but limited in other ways. He did not make much impact down the stretch. Wheaton plays with little instincts or feel for the receiver position but need to respect his speed. I never said the ravens offense was better in the recent games played. When the ravens add a significant receiver and if are all playing with that overpowering OLine the ravens offense is going to surprise everybody.

[Ravens4Real]

swept the steelers, and was 1 missed tackle from splitting with the bengals with half of our offense and best defensive starter on IR.

bengals are in for a roster purge in a few years, the coaching staff may not be able to stick around much longer if they keep acting like kindergartners on the field, and their team is still young and many of their starters will be commanding a lot of money in free agency over the next few years, 3 years from now they will be a completely different team and it looks very possible that their whole organization gets flipped upside down in the near future.

the steelers are still incomplete, have no future at qb and barely have a present starter considering how bad their OL is and how injured roethlisberger is. in the draft they are swinging and missing like chris davis with runners on base, every year they take another high upside guy who never develops into even a solid rotational player, shazier is the only bright spot on their defense, and bell/brown are the only reason they can feel good about the offenses future.

if the ravens can have a decent rebound year and at least finish .500 and show some fortitude, and we can continue to build around our core, and if joe can take a team friendly long term restructure, then i have no reason to think we arent the perennial frontrunners 3-4 years from now. our long term future is much less bleak than either of their teams, even if their short term is birghter

I'm all for optimism but that is a very pessimistic view point on the Steelers. Brown and Bell are their only players on O that they can look forward to? How about Bryant? I'd take him over anything we have at WR. Also, their offensive line played pretty damn well this year. Yeah they get knocked because Ben is an idiot sometimes and runs around resulting in pointless sacks. But D Williams and Bell both had great years compared to the number of games they played. No one can downgrade their offense.

Their defense, I think they whiffed on Jarvis Jones. Other than that. Their front 7 should be really good for years to come. They were excellent against the run this year. Heyward is a stud. Along with Tuitt, Shazier, Timmons. Even Dupree. He really impressed me against the Bengals.

Their problem is their backend. Let's pray an elite talent at CB doesn't fall to them in the draft. I don't see another area where they truly need someone.

As for the Bengals, we will see. They do have a ton of free agents but also have way more money than the Ravens. Ravens are projected one of the lowest teams in terms of cap space.

If they are able to sign all of their free agents, they should be fine. If Dalton continues what he did this year, their offense is can be a top 10 offense.

On defense, let's face it. This team has Flacco's number. He just can not figure these guys out. Until he does, I see them to continue beating us.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm all for optimism but that is a very pessimistic view point on the Steelers. Brown and Bell are their only players on O that they can look forward to? How about Bryant? I'd take him over anything we have at WR. Also, their offensive line played pretty damn well this year. Yeah they get knocked because Ben is an idiot sometimes and runs around resulting in pointless sacks. But D Williams and Bell both had great years compared to the number of games they played. No one can downgrade their offense.

Their defense, I think they whiffed on Jarvis Jones. Other than that. Their front 7 should be really good for years to come. They were excellent against the run this year. Heyward is a stud. Along with Tuitt, Shazier, Timmons. Even Dupree. He really impressed me against the Bengals.

Their problem is their backend. Let's pray an elite talent at CB doesn't fall to them in the draft. I don't see another area where they truly need someone.

As for the Bengals, we will see. They do have a ton of free agents but also have way more money than the Ravens. Ravens are projected one of the lowest teams in terms of cap space.

If they are able to sign all of their free agents, they should be fine. If Dalton continues what he did this year, their offense is can be a top 10 offense.

On defense, let's face it. This team has Flacco's number. He just can not figure these guys out. Until he does, I see them to continue beating us.

bryant is solid but i wouldnt go raving over him, its easy to say hes this and that with ben throwing to him and antonio brown drawing every last bit of coverage they can throw his way lol. and they have a nice 3 man front and some nice pieces like shazier, but they have whiffed on both jarvis and dupree, and then as you said they are horrible in the secondary and i see no evidence of them getting better in the near future, senquez golson in the 2nd was a good way for them to say "lol we dont want a good secondary"

[Ravens4Real]

bryant is solid but i wouldnt go raving over him, its easy to say hes this and that with ben throwing to him and antonio brown drawing every last bit of coverage they can throw his way lol. and they have a nice 3 man front and some nice pieces like shazier, but they have whiffed on both jarvis and dupree, and then as you said they are horrible in the secondary and i see no evidence of them getting better in the near future, senquez golson in the 2nd was a good way for them to say "lol we dont want a good secondary"

Saying they whiffed on Dupree is just foolish. He made a couple splash players in their playoff game just a few days ago.

If they whiffed on Dupree, than the Ravens whiffed on Perrimen and a host of others. They deserve a couple years before you say they are busts.

[Dr. Kelley]

I think this loss could mentally wound the Bengals. Furthermore, they're finally about to experience turnover and have quite a number of free agents.

We'll see if they continue their dominance. I think they're very beatable. Cover Green and have a legit #1 WR and they'll be exposed.

Unfortunately, covering green and having a legit#1 wr are two things the ravens haven't done very well.

The sky is not falling, but its a tough climb back to the top if we want the afcn crown back

[Dr. Kelley]

yea. I hate posting on my phone. And using the mobile site it doesn't let me multi quote

Yeah, but to be fair, its better to have the olive than the pitt

[jdynamite]

Definitely an overreaction thread. The Bengals have been knocking on the door for quite some time now, they just can't seem to win in the playoffs or consistently on Prime time games. I'll give the bengals personnel department props because they have really stocked up on home grown talent through the draft for years now.

The steelers have morphed into a high powered offense, with a defense that steps up occasionally.

I mean the Ravens had a down year with a record amount of games lost by 7 points or less. This team isn't far from heading back into the playoffs next year.

Looking back on the entire year, the first game versus Denver is a perfect summary of the season: devastating injury to Suggs ( injury bug ), tough close game, then some mental errors cost the team the Jernigan penalty ( penalties common theme for year ) , dropped ints ( way too many dropped ints ), etc.

Beyond injuries, and the occasional defensive collapse, I was most disappointed with all the penalties this season.

[jdynamite]

And the ravens have Campanaro returning from an offseason on an island to condition for football. He wants to be great. Maxx is doing something similar but not quite that intense. Pro day is returning and ravens could draft Treadwell if wanted. That qualifies as better than the rivals considering the violent Oline!! Pittsburgh and cinci have better RBs only. Spiller would be interesting behind that Oline.

You seem to be really big on Campanaro, I like him also and believe he could really give us some tough underneath yards. But at this point I just hope he can have better luck with injuries. He makes me think of D.Amendola ( with much smaller sample size of playing time for Camp ), really plays with toughness but gets injuried often could be productive first down maker if healthy.

With that said: I really hope the team adds more WR talent through the draft specifically, if Treadwell isn't picked in round 1 by us, then I'd love for them to look at T.Boyd, P.Cooper, Doctson, ( Duke Williams maybe an after thought now ).

[Winchester]

Cwmpanaro has better speed and coordination adjusting to errant throws than Edelman or Amendola. Edelman is shifty but is not comfy going up in awkward positions to catch the throw like Campanaro is. Even many homers do not realize how explosive Campanaro is!! He broke division records at wake forest. NFL cornerbacks are already talking how hard he is to cover. And he has deep speed to boot. He ran a 4.45 at the combine and jumped like 40 inches. He has run consistent computer timed sub 4.4 training for the combine. He is a very underrated athlete!! He is shifty and savvy Intelligent. As he practices and plays he will grow his arsenal of routes,moves and strategy that comes with experience. He is on a very intense program this off season that was put together by innovative sports med trainers and nutritionists for all athletes. It mixes German,eastern European and american training principles and theories. It has helped rugby, gymnastics,track and soccer players as well as players of many sports avoid injury,build muscle,endurance,strength,explosion and flexibility with Campanaro focusing on avoiding injuries. Edelman was often injured early in his career before beginning a hard training regime. But Edelmans was not quite as advanced or sophisticated but it was efficient. And Edelman will never have Campanaros coordination going up for throws as Campanaro has naturally. Campanaro wants to be great like SS!! He was actually harder to cover than SS before his injury. He is already more than a slot receiver cuz he has speed and athletic ball skills. Perriman should join Campanaro!! Perriman is not as savvy as Campanaro in his routes but is nearly 6'3 and 216lbs. With elite ball skills and burst in his routes for a big receiver. He could learn from Campanaro while building his skills and staying in the lineup. If ravens drafted Treadwell a savvy receiver with elite ball skills and hands to be the go to guy over the middle and sidelines,the ravens offense could be the best in the NFL. Especially when you take into account an elite and overpowering online across the line that will open lanes for runners while the defense is spread out containing receivers.

[757RavensFan]

Cwmpanaro has better speed and coordination adjusting to errant throws than Edelman or Amendola. Edelman is shifty but is not comfy going up in awkward positions to catch the throw like Campanaro is. Even many homers do not realize how explosive Campanaro is!! He broke division records at wake forest. NFL cornerbacks are already talking how hard he is to cover. And he has deep speed to boot. He ran a 4.45 at the combine and jumped like 40 inches. He has run consistent computer timed sub 4.4 training for the combine. He is a very underrated athlete!! He is shifty and savvy Intelligent. As he practices and plays he will grow his arsenal of routes,moves and strategy that comes with experience. He is on a very intense program this off season that was put together by innovative sports med trainers and nutritionists for all athletes. It mixes German,eastern European and american training principles and theories. It has helped rugby, gymnastics,track and soccer players as well as players of many sports avoid injury,build muscle,endurance,strength,explosion and flexibility with Campanaro focusing on avoiding injuries. Edelman was often injured early in his career before beginning a hard training regime. But Edelmans was not quite as advanced or sophisticated but it was efficient. And Edelman will never have Campanaros coordination going up for throws as Campanaro has naturally. Campanaro wants to be great like SS!! He was actually harder to cover than SS before his injury. He is already more than a slot receiver cuz he has speed and athletic ball skills. Perriman should join Campanaro!! Perriman is not as savvy as Campanaro in his routes but is nearly 6'3 and 216lbs. With elite ball skills and burst in his routes for a big receiver. He could learn from Campanaro while building his skills and staying in the lineup. If ravens drafted Treadwell a savvy receiver with elite ball skills and hands to be the go to guy over the middle and sidelines,the ravens offense could be the best in the NFL. Especially when you take into account an elite and overpowering online across the line that will open lanes for runners while the defense is spread out containing receivers.

Obviously someone has a man crush on Campanaro. To say that Edelman and Amendola are not as fast or coordinated to adjust to errant throws as Campanaro is nothing more than pure homer talk! Camp has TWELVE catches over 2 years and you're saying he excels in certain areas of the game over Edelman and Amendola? Please stop looking at what he did at Wake and trying to compare it with Edelman and Amendola's NFL production. He's playing at a different level now. In all honesty, he shouldn't even be mentioned with Edelman and Amendola based off of what he's done so far in 2 years.

We all hope that Camp becomes an x-factor for this offense, but right now he's FAR from it.