Impending Free Agents and Cap Casualties

[PurpleCity5]

One option that is not mentioned there is Paul Kruger. Cleveland tried to trade him and found no one. They can actually cut him now and get some good cap savings. I don't know how Kruger would feel about coming back here, but he is def. frustrated there and coming to a place to where he fits could be ideal for him. He's not McPhee but he would help seal up the production we lost from him along with Za'Darius who we all like a lot. 

[PurpleCity5]

I've been saying this for a while. Would love to have him back.

Torrey getting cut wouldn't make sense to me. Guys who get big pay days usually don't get cut one year into their deals and the cap savings are non-existent. Might as well keep him. 

[PurpleCity5]

overthecap.com has Zuttah as a 1.28mil savings and 3.5 post June 1 but I would be ok ith the reshuffling Zuttah gets manhandled to much as a C

Zuttah isn't even that bad. He's a solid C. I did really think that it could be beneficial for us to replace him, but after watching him some more I honestly have to say that he's not even that bad. He is still ranked as a top 10 Center and has done very well in pass protection. In fact he went 603 snaps without even giving up a sack. That's pretty good and I honestly think he has done better than Urschel has this year. The run game is a weakness of his but he's not awful there. I think he's a quality starting C in the NFL and those aren't easy to find. 

[GrimCoconut]

overthecap.com has Zuttah as a 1.28mil savings and 3.5 post June 1 but I would be ok ith the reshuffling Zuttah gets manhandled to much as a C

Lol that's funny. I even got the correction wrong. That's what I get for checking spotrac. I agree with you, though.

[Clmraven]

Torrey getting cut wouldn't make sense to me. Guys who get big pay days usually don't get cut one year into their deals and the cap savings are non-existent. Might as well keep him.

If they cut him post June 1 they'd save 6 mil in 2016 and 8 mil a year for the rest of the contract with only 1.5 a year in dead money. So there's definitely savings to be had Edited January 11, 2016 by Clmraven

[Wildabeast88]

Zuttah isn't even that bad. He's a solid C. I did really think that it could be beneficial for us to replace him, but after watching him some more I honestly have to say that he's not even that bad. He is still ranked as a top 10 Center and has done very well in pass protection. In fact he went 603 snaps without even giving up a sack. That's pretty good and I honestly think he has done better than Urschel has this year. The run game is a weakness of his but he's not awful there. I think he's a quality starting C in the NFL and those aren't easy to find.

I'm not saying cut him or anything but moving him to G and Urschel to C where Zuttah could get some help in the run blocking from Urschel

[Wildabeast88]

Lol that's funny. I even got the correction wrong. That's what I get for checking spotrac. I agree with you, though.

its ok I was just wondering on the source with that making sure mine was right and that I didn't miss anything

[Wildabeast88]

If they cut him post June 1 they'd save 6 mil in 2016 and 8 mil a year for the rest of the contract with only 1.5 a year in dead money. So there's definitely savings to be had

really so after year 1 he had 6 mil in guarantees over the last 4 years why would he sign that. I don't see him coming back as much as I liked him but that's why they drafted Perriman and he would have to take much less money to come back

[Clmraven]

really so after year 1 he had 6 mil in guarantees over the last 4 years why would he sign that. I don't see him coming back as much as I liked him but that's why they drafted Perriman and he would have to take much less money to come back

I wouldn't mind seeing him come back, theres rarely situations like the one I'm suggesting could happen, the only time I can think of when this happen is last year with Michael Johnson getting big money from the Bucs then cut after a year and back to the bengals. I mean it almost never happens but if Torrey was cut he seems like the type of guy that would be very open to coming back, and I think if Ozzie can sign him for less then we were going to last year (35mil IIRC) it could happen, but then again who knows.

[Wildabeast88]

I wouldn't mind seeing him come back, theres rarely situations like the one I'm suggesting could happen, the only time I can think of when this happen is last year with Michael Johnson getting big money from the Bucs then cut after a year and back to the bengals. I mean it almost never happens but if Torrey was cut he seems like the type of guy that would be very open to coming back, and I think if Ozzie can sign him for less then we were going to last year (35mil IIRC) it could happen, but then again who knows.

Yes you are right we offered 5years 35mil but considering his numbers were worse than Kamar Aiken who made 585k I couldn't justify anywhere near 7 mil. I thought before he left 5 mil a year was a good deal but I think we resign Aiken at a cheaper price plus Perriman with SSS is a good start maybe add a pick in the irst 3rounds and we are set. But I like Torrey a ton as a person spokesperson in the community but money wise isn't worth it.

[PurpleCity5]

I'm not saying cut him or anything but moving him to G and Urschel to C where Zuttah could get some help in the run blocking from Urschel

I got ya, I used to think about us cutting him but after watching him some more I honestly think he fine, I don't think he deserves the flack he gets honestly.

[PurpleCity5]

If they cut him post June 1 they'd save 6 mil in 2016 and 8 mil a year for the rest of the contract with only 1.5 a year in dead money. So there's definitely savings to be had

But how often is a June 1st cut used? They won't even see that money in FA so why cut him? Unless they have an in house replacement, a June 1st cut would just add more needs to their roster. I don't see them going that route.

[Wildabeast88]

But how often is a June 1st cut used? They won't even see that money in FA so why cut him? Unless they have an in house replacement, a June 1st cut would just add more needs to their roster. I don't see them going that route.

it can be used at anytime and the player can sign elsewhere before June 1 but the team doesn't get the cap room until June 1 the main reason to use it would be if you needed extra money for a franchise tag extension or signing tendered RFAs or ERFAs Edited January 11, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[Clmraven]

But how often is a June 1st cut used? They won't even see that money in FA so why cut him? Unless they have an in house replacement, a June 1st cut would just add more needs to their roster. I don't see them going that route.

Well it would depend on if they see themselves in a rebuilding stage, or maybe they draft a receiver and see Torrey as overpriced for what he's giving them,i mean 40 mil for a guy that gives you 600 yards?

[Wildabeast88]

Well it would depend on if they see themselves in a rebuilding stage, or maybe they draft a receiver and see Torrey as overpriced for what he's giving them,i mean 40 mil for a guy that gives you 600 yards?

agreed way overpriced I would also draft a WR go SSS Perriman Aiken rookie Butler and Daniel Brown/Camp

[GrimCoconut]

But how often is a June 1st cut used? They won't even see that money in FA so why cut him? Unless they have an in house replacement, a June 1st cut would just add more needs to their roster. I don't see them going that route.

Not sure, but if it's used it's typically to provide a cap cushion in the event of injuries. You also carry over any unused cap, so it's really not going to hinder you much if at all and could be a wash. If you have injuries, however, it could be very useful. 

We may do it with Pitta, cut him June 1st & use his relieved cap after June 1st for injury purposes that could go to next year's cap space if it's (hopefully) unused. 

[Sizzlebshu]

I mean target wise, there are a couple of good cbs that we could bring in for depth

[rmw10]

I mean target wise, there are a couple of good cbs that we could bring in for depth

Definitely think we should sign a veteran, but I'm of the opinion that we need a young guy in there now as well, and a high draft pick at that. The future for us is pretty bleak at CB.

[Deflated Football]

What would you guys think about signing Marques Colston? That's an Ozzie type of move. 

[MDCop]

There are a couple of names that I am seeing thats not been mentioned yet. I beleive these guys are obtainable and can help us out NOW.

 

Cameron Wake DE- He wad graded a C so he is a maybe at best.....but man would that instantly change our pass rush need the second he gets here.

 

Joe Thomas LT- I know Ozzie and crew keep stating Monroe would be back.....but if you could trade for one of the best Lt's in football....why not try and hes listed as a B grade so there is a chance especially with the murmers of he may possibly demand a trade with all the turn over in the Browns org. I know I know.....9.5 mill against the cap but man...what a difference he would make.

 

There are just 2 names that I believe with some cuts on our end or maybe some contracts adjusted. We could afford them and make immediate changes to both sides of the ball. I also believe they are worth some draft picks as well.....3rd and down that is. Just a thought this also allows us to enter the draft with a different mind set and can attack specific positions like CB and WR. I know there are alot of variables and a trade makes this only possible prior to the draft........Thoughts

[Deflated Football]

Definitely think we should sign a veteran, but I'm of the opinion that we need a young guy in there now as well, and a high draft pick at that. The future for us is pretty bleak at CB.

Antonio Cromartie? Brandon Carr? 

[Wildabeast88]

What would you guys think about signing Marques Colston? That's an Ozzie type of move.

no he had a terrible year and is way past his prime I would rather go with a younger guy Butler or Brown

[Wildabeast88]

There are a couple of names that I am seeing thats not been mentioned yet. I beleive these guys are obtainable and can help us out NOW.

 

Cameron Wake DE- He wad graded a C so he is a maybe at best.....but man would that instantly change our pass rush need the second he gets here.

 

Joe Thomas LT- I know Ozzie and crew keep stating Monroe would be back.....but if you could trade for one of the best Lt's in football....why not try and hes listed as a B grade so there is a chance especially with the murmers of he may possibly demand a trade with all the turn over in the Browns org. I know I know.....9.5 mill against the cap but man...what a difference he would make.

 

There are just 2 names that I believe with some cuts on our end or maybe some contracts adjusted. We could afford them and make immediate changes to both sides of the ball. I also believe they are worth some draft picks as well.....3rd and down that is. Just a thought this also allows us to enter the draft with a different mind set and can attack specific positions like CB and WR. I know there are alot of variables and a trade makes this only possible prior to the draft........Thoughts

as of right now we have under 4 mil in cap space so until things happen no chance instead of Thomas I would rather resign KO and play him at LT

[MDCop]

as of right now we have under 4 mil in cap space so until things happen no chance instead of Thomas I would rather resign KO and play him at LT

 There is nothing wrong with that either. Thats why I said some cuts need made or contracts redone was the only way it could happen. Let me ask you this then......if KO cost $7 mill a year which is not crazy.....which one would you want. The extra 2 mill is nice but I would say Thomas is still te safer option and worth the extra to keep Joe upright.......especially since KO gets hurt every year. 

[jdynamite]

If the ravens keep pees trrstman and trainwreck, im done

Well seems like any coaching changes should have happened by now.... I don't see either Trestman or Pees going anywhere, it took forever for them to make a move with Cam Cameron.

Trestman I'm willing to see for another year, the o-line never played up to expectations after last year's stellar play. I personally believe that was a combination of Injuries, and the loss of Kubiak ( as I stated in that one thread that was praising Juan Castillo way too soon lol ).

Trestman was working with injured or patchwork linemen, a list of castoff WRs, a 2nd year TE and 2 rookie TEs, I didn't love his playcalling early on, but he eventually began to work Juice into the mix, while getting multiple TEs involved.

[usmccharles]

Well seems like any coaching changes should have happened by now.... I don't see either Trestman or Pees going anywhere, it took forever for them to make a move with Cam Cameron.

Trestman I'm willing to see for another year, the o-line never played up to expectations after last year's stellar play. I personally believe that was a combination of Injuries, and the loss of Kubiak ( as I stated in that one thread that was praising Juan Castillo way too soon lol ).

Trestman was working with injured or patchwork linemen, a list of castoff WRs, a 2nd year TE and 2 rookie TEs, I didn't love his playcalling early on, but he eventually began to work Juice into the mix, while getting multiple TEs involved.

Curious on why you would think/want Trestman would be fired

[Winchester]

Trestman is fine!! Zuttah is a good center but not special. Urschel is dynamic with his overpowering physically mauling style!! Once adjusted he is going to be a top6 center!! And Harbs seems to like him as starting center. Jensen is very underrated athletically and could play center. Or even right tackle in a pinch. He is as good or better than round one picks Zeitler and Cameron Serving. Jensen plays with more strength than Jake matthews and is nearly as athletic. It is not that Zuttah sucks. Urschel just is a dynamic center once he adjusts. Castillo is a fine coach. Talk to philly media on how he spots talent and coaches players up. May not be a scheme wizard but he knows how to coach technique and refine a lineman. Look at KO the last 4 games and watch him at tackle as a rookie!! KO looks like Trent Williams and will get better the more he plays tackle.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Winchester

[Winchester]

no he had a terrible year and is way past his prime I would rather go with a younger guy Butler or Brown

Neither as a starting receiver!! Campanaro plays injury free next year I bet.

[usmccharles]

Neither as a starting receiver!! Campanaro plays injury free next year I bet.

God i hope so but thats like expecting Nicholas Cage to make a good movie again

[Wildabeast88]

There is nothing wrong with that either. Thats why I said some cuts need made or contracts redone was the only way it could happen. Let me ask you this then......if KO cost $7 mill a year which is not crazy.....which one would you want. The extra 2 mill is nice but I would say Thomas is still te safer option and worth the extra to keep Joe upright.......especially since KO gets hurt every year.

Thomas is good but he is 31 32 during next season while KO has the potential and is 26 will be 27 before next season so he is more of a long term answer nd I like saving the extra cap space as well