Quarterbacks, Trade Ups and the 2016 NFL Draft

[PurpleCity5]

You damm skippy. Totally control the boards. Up, down and all around. One player in the first don't spoil the whole bag of beans. Not one single soul is worth the whole bunch in the first. One single player can't be the answer in the first round but rather a vital cog in the scheme of things. I trust Ozzie a lot more because I truly believe he gets it even more now. He viewed the last product and got an upset stomach.

It really depends on who is there honestly, if we throw a hypothetical and say Bosa or Tunsil is there, then St.Louis can keep their two 2nd round picks unless they throw in a future 1st, those guys are potential franchise game changers. I'd also include Ramsey since I believe Oz wil be very high on him. Outside of that, I would take the two 2nd round picks.

[thieverycorporation]

I would be all for trading down with the Rams as I believe there will still be several top players availiable at that point and would gain valuable picks.  As a minimum i would Expect their 1st 2nd and 4th, if they are desparate their 1st both their 2nds and future ones.

 

At 15 could go bpa, the following player have been predicted to be there; Buckner, Nkemdiche, Hargreaves III, Robinson, Treadwell, Stanley, Floyd plus many others that people on here have wanted to take at 6.

Strongly agree. And nobody knows what the combine will shake out. But the more i see and hear about this years draft the more feel that there are better options regarding acquiring picks. Unknowns are being highlighted and I'm of the impression that it's directly a result of the strength of the draft. Every team better pick wisely. And have options.

[thieverycorporation]

It really depends on who is there honestly, if we throw a hypothetical and say Bosa or Tunsil is there, then St.Louis can keep their two 2nd round picks unless they throw in a future 1st, those guys are potential franchise game changers. I'd also include Ramsey since I believe Oz wil be very high on him. Outside of that, I would take the two 2nd round picks.

I don't think even Bosa would prevent Ozzie from moving out if he thought he'd get a bounty. I was once against the method. In this years draft. Honestly I'm not. Bosa is good maybe great but I can't envision Ozzie not wanting to get herrrr done quick, efficient and relatively cheap. And i agree that 2 two's in this years draft gets it done. Greedy will make the needy. Play the hand your given with a blank poker face lol

At the end "How you like me NOW"

Edited January 22, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[PurpleCity5]

I don't think even Bosa would prevent Ozzie from moving out if he thought he'd get a bounty. I was once against the method. In this years draft. Honestly I'm not. Bosa is good maybe great but I can't envision Ozzie not wanting to get herrrr done quick, effecient and relatively cheap.

two 2nds is not enough for me to move on from Bosa. When reporters asked Oz which position he would like to address, the first thing that came out of his mouth was Pass Rusher, now you can argue that I'm reading too much into this considering Steve joined in by adding OT, WR, CB, ect. but it really gave me the feeling that he highly prefers to address pass rusher most of all at pick no.6. Would you give away a young Terrell Suggs for two 2nd round picks? I wouldn't, now I'm not claiming Bosa is the next Suggs, but if his impact can be on the same level, then I can't get with passing on him, even if its a gamble. Unless its a future 1st packaged in, I think i'm staying put.

Edited January 22, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[thieverycorporation]

I would be all for trading down with the Rams as I believe there will still be several top players availiable at that point and would gain valuable picks.  As a minimum i would Expect their 1st 2nd and 4th, if they are desparate their 1st both their 2nds and future ones.

 

At 15 could go bpa, the following player have been predicted to be there; Buckner, Nkemdiche, Hargreaves III, Robinson, Treadwell, Stanley, Floyd plus many others that people on here have wanted to take at 6.

Upticked yeah. Sounds reasonable and do-able. If fishers feelings ain't hurt. But Fisher probably doesn't have much say as he's probably a lame duck coach at this point. I know I'm reaching. But if he wants a decent shot IMHO he'll have to take them handcuffs off and saddle himself to another style QB.

It really depends on who is there honestly, if we throw a hypothetical and say Bosa or Tunsil is there, then St.Louis can keep their two 2nd round picks unless they throw in a future 1st, those guys are potential franchise game changers. I'd also include Ramsey since I believe Oz wil be very high on him. Outside of that, I would take the two 2nd round picks.

[thieverycorporation]

two 2nds is not enough for me to move on from Bosa. When reporters asked Oz which position he would like to address, the first thing that came out of his mouth was Pass Rusher, now you can argue that I'm reading too much into this considering Steve joined in by adding OT, WR, CB, ect. but it really gave me the feeling that he highly prefers to address pass rusher most of all at pick no.6. Would you give away a young Terrell Suggs for two 2nd round picks? I wouldn't, now I'm not claiming Bosa is the next Suggs, but if his impact can be on the same level, then I can't get with passing on him, even if its a gamble. Unless its a future 1st packaged in, I think i'm staying put.

Okay I see your point Bruh but I'm not that high on Bosa. I like your convictions and can appreciate your choice in him. But I'm talking 1st round plus a Boyd/Cravens/J.Smith?/Shepard/Fuller/Alexander/Henry/Prosise/Spence/Oakman/Bullard/ Spence/Apple proposition. We don't know where these guys are going to slide up down. We'll have a infinite amount of choices and none of them really bad. I named my likes lol but you get my drift. Because I don't believe in the pro bowl BS I'm going quality and quantity because we have viable names that would purportedly fit well to excellent here. Key to me is scouting and an accurate talent eval. You get my point. I respect your perspective brah. We both want us to be successful. 

[PurpleCity5]

Okay I see your point Bruh but I'm not that high on Bosa. I like your convictions and can appreciate your choice in him. But I'm talking 1st round plus a Boyd/Cravens/J.Smith?/Shepard/Fuller/Alexander/Henry/Prosise/Spence/Oakman/Bullard/ Spence/Apple proposition. We don't know where these guys are going to slide up down. We'll have a infinite amount of choices and none of them really bad. I named my likes lol but you get my drift. Because I don't believe in the pro bowl BS I'm going quality and quantity because we have viable names that would purportedly fit well to excellent here. Key to me is scouting and an accurate talent eval. You get my point. I respect your perspective brah. We both want us to be successful.

Lol really don't disagree with you and two 2nd round picks isn't a bad thing at all, I just prefer to take my chances if a guy with elite talent is there, thats all.

[January J]

two 2nds is not enough for me to move on from Bosa. When reporters asked Oz which position he would like to address, the first thing that came out of his mouth was Pass Rusher, now you can argue that I'm reading too much into this considering Steve joined in by adding OT, WR, CB, ect. but it really gave me the feeling that he highly prefers to address pass rusher most of all at pick no.6. Would you give away a young Terrell Suggs for two 2nd round picks? I wouldn't, now I'm not claiming Bosa is the next Suggs, but if his impact can be on the same level, then I can't get with passing on him, even if its a gamble. Unless its a future 1st packaged in, I think i'm staying put.

my thoughts exactly. I really believe that both ozzie and Steve have pass rusher #1 on their priority list. They understand that it was that alone that caused a domino effect on our whole team..No pass rush hurts the secondary. .a hurt secondary gives up leads...playing from behind gets you away from running the ball...not running the ball makes you one dimensional and hurts the passing game. Now that doesn't mean we don't need to make nice additions to those other positions as well..bc a strong secondary would hold up and not completely fall apart with a poor pass rush..but you get my drift. We have to not only add a dominant pass rusher..but have a contingency plan if suggs or doom were to go down again. Hence why they stated they will be adding multiple pass rushers. If we get 2 dominant pass rushers in the first 3 rounds or so we can drastically improve our entire team in one swing. Either that or take one in the top 2 rounds and then add 1 via FA. Edited January 22, 2016 by January J

[PurpleCity5]

my thoughts exactly. I really believe that both ozzie and Steve have pass rusher #1 on their priority list. They understand that it was that alone that caused a domino effect on our whole team..No pass rush hurts the secondary. .a hurt secondary gives up leads...playing from behind gets you away from running the ball...not running the ball makes you one dimensional and hurts the passing game. Now that doesn't mean we don't need to make nice additions to those other positions as well..bc a strong secondary would hold up and not completely fall apart with a poor pass rush..but you get my drift. We have to not only add a dominant pass rusher..but have a contingency plan if suggs or doom were to go down again. Hence why they stated they will be adding multiple pass rushers. If we get 2 dominant pass rushers in the first 3 rounds or so we can drastically improve our entire team in one swing. Either that or take one in the top 2 rounds and then add 1 via FA.

It's no secret that our defense from 2014 was better than the one from last season simply because of a pass rush, you see first hand what not having a pass rush can do to your team. It didn't help that our CBs weren't good, but its obvious to everyone they improved once the pass rush did. I think at #6, Oz will inquire about a trade up for Bosa, the price will be too large so he'll stay put and hope he ends up at 6. I think edge rusher is the most desired position to fill in round 1.

 

If I had to guess what we would hope to accomplish, I think FA will be all about CB and OLB, but I'd put money on us going after CB most of all. I think Oz would be hoping for our draft to go with: 

 

R1- OLB 

 

R2- WR

 

R3- CB

[Sizzlebshu]

Scouts saying that they expect a qb to go #1 overall afrer a trade up. This means 1 of 2 things

1. We are looking at the 2013 draft all over again. In whic case moving down for more picks in that draft is bad for us

2. Its not going to happen and scouts are trying to make someone desperate and possibly cause a screw up cause no qb is worth it

Edited January 23, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[ArsenalRaven666]

For me Tunsil and Bosa are almost certainly gone by the time we pick at 6, if either are there I would take them.

 

That said moving down to 15 we would still get a top player, one of which many people on here have wanted at various times wanted to take at 6 (Buckner, Nkemdiche, Hargreaves III, Robinson, Treadwell, Stanley).

 

There are so many directions we could go from here.

Use both Rams 2nds to get a mid 1st round, pointwise would be 16ish.

Use our 2nd and 4th to move back into the 1st round, be low around 29/30th but could possibly pick up someone like Apple, Floyd or Spence would be a steal to get Jaylon Smith there.

[GrimCoconut]

Scouts saying that they expect a qb to go #1 overall afrer a trade up. This means 1 of 2 things

1. We are looking at the 2013 draft all over again. In whic case moving down for more picks in that draft is bad for us

2. Its not going to happen and scouts are trying to make someone desperate and possibly cause a screw up cause no qb is worth it

Or maybe it's true and someone does want to move up to #1 to get a QB? Honestly, I like your posts because you provide a different element, but you've clearly got a blind spot where you seem oblivious to possibilities in which you disagree. 

[PurpleCity5]

I'm not sure I see anyone inside the top 10 outside willing to move up for a QB. 

[Sizzlebshu]

Or maybe it's true and someone does want to move up to #1 to get a QB? Honestly, I like your posts because you provide a different element, but you've clearly got a blind spot where you seem oblivious to possibilities in which you disagree. 

I have a blindspot for possibilities that are just extremely unlikely. According to Scouts: Goff probably goes before Lynch//Wentz but Lynch/Wentz are the better prospects. Does that make sense? Yes and No ( I get tools = better prospect compared to technique, but better prospect > lesser prospect). Combine that with the current statement and you get an extremely unlikely occurrence. 

 

Someone is going to trade up for a prospect that most scouts believe will go before another player who is a superior prospect. That aside they are going to mortgage the franchise to do it. The only team I can see doing this is St. Louis because they are essentially playing with house money at this point (I think they are both fired after next year), but even then it basically assures you are fired if it doesn't work out immediately. 

Edited January 23, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[Sizzlebshu]

I'm starting to think the top 5 rounds out like this

 

1. Tunsil 

2. Goff (barring FA getting Bradford to Cleveland)

3. Ramsey

4. Nkemdiche

5. Bosa 

 

Cowboys don't care about pot. Bosa is unlikely to me due to a 2nd rounder in Demarcus Lawerence, a 2nd in Randy Gregory, potential Greg Hardy resigning, lots of d line rotation in their scheme, a gaping hole in the middle of that line.

 

Ramsey is a replacement for Weddle. They could force Staley as well, but that defense can't be allowed to get worse and this draft has the pieces to really fix it in terms of strength at d line run stoppers (if they preserve the front 7, they should be good) 

[52520Andrew]

I'm starting to think the top 5 rounds out like this

 

1. Tunsil 

2. Goff (barring FA getting Bradford to Cleveland)

3. Ramsey

4. Nkemdiche

5. Bosa 

 

Cowboys don't care about pot. Bosa is unlikely to me due to a 2nd rounder in Demarcus Lawerence, a 2nd in Randy Gregory, potential Greg Hardy resigning, lots of d line rotation in their scheme, a gaping hole in the middle of that line.

 

Ramsey is a replacement for Weddle. They could force Staley as well, but that defense can't be allowed to get worse and this draft has the pieces to really fix it in terms of strength at d line run stoppers (if they preserve the front 7, they should be good) 

 

The Chargers have so many needs that I could see them going a lot of different ways. Their line has gotten decimated by injuries a couple years in a row now and they could really use a lineman, pass rusher is a gaping hole for them, and of course safety with Weddle going(I would say likely but given how things have gone with him, it is all but a certainty).

 

Do agree on the Cowboys probably not going for Bosa as well, they have Crawford but Hayden has been bad for them for quite some time so an upgrade there would make a lot of sense. 

[January J]

1)Titans- Bosa

2)Browns- Goff (wentz may even skyrocket on teams boards after combine )

3)Chargers- Ramsey

4)Cowboys- Ashawn Robinson

5)Jaguars- Vernon Hargreaves

This would be great for us if the top 5 panned out this way. We would have the choice between Tunsil, Buckner, or Treadwell. Id be happy with any of them but i dont think we could pass up the chance at Tunsil- we would have to pull the trigger.

Edited January 23, 2016 by January J

[GrimCoconut]

I have a blindspot for possibilities that are just extremely unlikely. According to Scouts: Goff probably goes before Lynch//Wentz but Lynch/Wentz are the better prospects. Does that make sense? Yes and No ( I get tools = better prospect compared to technique, but better prospect > lesser prospect). Combine that with the current statement and you get an extremely unlikely occurrence. 

 

Someone is going to trade up for a prospect that most scouts believe will go before another player who is a superior prospect. That aside they are going to mortgage the franchise to do it. The only team I can see doing this is St. Louis because they are essentially playing with house money at this point (I think they are both fired after next year), but even then it basically assures you are fired if it doesn't work out immediately. 

STL makes a lot of sense due to ammunition (picks) & expectations of an LA team. Getting a QB for their new franchise also makes a lot of sense, especially Goff, who is a somewhat-local product who's well-known & also well-liked by NFL scouts. I don't know about the likelihood of them doing it, but it really does make a ton of sense. 

[balfan23]

I'm starting to think the top 5 rounds out like this

 

1. Tunsil 

2. Goff (barring FA getting Bradford to Cleveland)

3. Ramsey

4. Nkemdiche

5. Bosa 

 

Cowboys don't care about pot. Bosa is unlikely to me due to a 2nd rounder in Demarcus Lawerence, a 2nd in Randy Gregory, potential Greg Hardy resigning, lots of d line rotation in their scheme, a gaping hole in the middle of that line.

 

Ramsey is a replacement for Weddle. They could force Staley as well, but that defense can't be allowed to get worse and this draft has the pieces to really fix it in terms of strength at d line run stoppers (if they preserve the front 7, they should be good) 

I hope the Cowboys pick Nkemdiche, because we aren't. I don't know how much we care about pot, but I do think we care about a player's maturity and judgement. We may want to stay clear of a guy who manages to bust through a hotel window and fall 15 feet to the ground. I have a feeling it was that smooth move that led to the pot arrest, but I've no idea given the vagueness of the reports I've read. Sounds like a legitimate red flag to me. 

 

I always root for teams ahead of us to select players we're not going to show interest in. I think Nkemdiche is one of them. 

[balfan23]

STL makes a lot of sense due to ammunition (picks) & expectations of an LA team. Getting a QB for their new franchise also makes a lot of sense, especially Goff, who is a somewhat-local product who's well-known & also well-liked by NFL scouts. I don't know about the likelihood of them doing it, but it really does make a ton of sense. 

I thought the same thing. If there is a team that may want to jump at a QB, I think it is them. The storyline of a poor performing team starting with a clean slate ... a new city and a new QB ... may be too much to resist.

 

Now, the question is whether or not Fischer believes that Goff is really a guy you can build your franchise around AND how high do you have to jump to get him. I think the only way they jump is if the Browns get an FA QB and select a different position. Otherwise, the LA Rams (wow, it feels weird to say that in a deja vu kind of way) would have to jump to #1 to get him. The cost of that (despite what ammo they may have) will be prohibitive. 

 

Of course, LA believes that there are multiple franchise QBs in this draft, they may jump even if CLE takes a QB. If that happens, then I think we become an ideal trading partner. 

[GrimCoconut]

I thought the same thing. If there is a team that may want to jump at a QB, I think it is them. The storyline of a poor performing team starting with a clean slate ... a new city and a new QB ... may be too much to resist.

 

Now, the question is whether or not Fischer believes that Goff is really a guy you can build your franchise around AND how high do you have to jump to get him. I think the only way they jump is if the Browns get an FA QB and select a different position. Otherwise, the LA Rams (wow, it feels weird to say that in a deja vu kind of way) would have to jump to #1 to get him. The cost of that (despite what ammo they may have) will be prohibitive. 

 

Of course, LA believes that there are multiple franchise QBs in this draft, they may jump even if CLE takes a QB. If that happens, then I think we become an ideal trading partner. 

Yeah, I think it all depends on how they feel. I honestly think Goff makes the most sense to them for so many reasons, but especially because of the California connection. I know people will say that means little, but I really think it means something to people. People here in Maryland wanted Diggs and liked him a lot. I strongly believe the same feeling persists in LA. I think TEN does everything they can do to trade up ahead of CLE to take Goff, although I wouldn't be surprised if they failed & then tried to trade up again if Goff makes it past CLE, which is not a foregone conclusion [that he goes to Cleveland] some suggest it is. 

[ngatainmyhouse]

I know 6th overall is the best pick we've had since Jamal, but it wouldn't shock me at this point if the Ravens traded with the Cowboys. It seems like all of the guys the Ravens want are also guys the Jaguars very easily could draft (Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Buckner, etc.). It seems like the only guy that both the Jags and Cowboys have their eye on is Ramsey. If Tunsil were to somehow make it to the 4th pick I would be more than okay coughing up a pick or two in order to grab him. It may not seem to make much sense when there are plenty of needs right now, but after drafting Ogden we had a Probowler at one of the most important positions for the next 11 years 

[January J]

I know 6th overall is the best pick we've had since Jamal, but it wouldn't shock me at this point if the Ravens traded with the Cowboys. It seems like all of the guys the Ravens want are also guys the Jaguars very easily could draft (Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Buckner, etc.). It seems like the only guy that both the Jags and Cowboys have their eye on is Ramsey. If Tunsil were to somehow make it to the 4th pick I would be more than okay coughing up a pick or two in order to grab him. It may not seem to make much sense when there are plenty of needs right now, but after drafting Ogden we had a Probowler at one of the most important positions for the next 11 years

I just don't think moving up Is an option. One of our guys is inevitably going to fall to us..whether it be Ramsey, Bosa, Tunsil, or Buckner. Keep the picks, stand pat and let the chips fall where they may.

[PurpleCity5]

On 1/24/2016 at 9:45 PM, January J said:

I know 6th overall is the best pick we've had since Jamal, but it wouldn't shock me at this point if the Ravens traded with the Cowboys. It seems like all of the guys the Ravens want are also guys the Jaguars very easily could draft (Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Buckner, etc.). It seems like the only guy that both the Jags and Cowboys have their eye on is Ramsey. If Tunsil were to somehow make it to the 4th pick I would be more than okay coughing up a pick or two in order to grab him. It may not seem to make much sense when there are plenty of needs right now, but after drafting Ogden we had a Probowler at one of the most important positions for the next 11 years

I just don't think moving up Is an option. One of our guys is inevitably going to fall to us..whether it be Ramsey, Bosa, Tunsil, or Buckner. Keep the picks, stand pat and let the chips fall where they may.

The Cowboys could go in other directions than Bosa. They have a really big void in the middle of their DL with DT, Nick Hayden is awful. Buckner makes a lot of sense IMO. It wouldn't shock me if they go for Nkemdiche but maybe they want to avoid another character guy? I think Greg Hardy re-signing could have some sort of impact because if he does stay then they have invested a lot into their DE, it may be a lot expose other spots on the defense if they go with Bosa. 

I think the Chargers are more likely to take Bosa than Dallas is, but they need help everywhere it wouldn't shock me if they decide that he isn't their guy. 

 

There's also the prospect of trading down, I would love to hustle St.Louis for an future 1st for next year and one of their 2nd round picks for this year. Vernon Hargreaves, Laquan Treadwell, Jaylon Smith, and Myles Jack would be my favorite guys in order. 

 

[Mt. Crushmore]

Is trading with the Rams the new trading with the 49ers from years past in mock drafts here?

[52520Andrew]

2 hours ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Is trading with the Rams the new trading with the 49ers from years past in mock drafts here?

Not quite, that was so annoying with the "Harbaugh connection"

[RaineV1]

Rams desperately need a QB, so everyone is thinking that they're the best trade down option. It's a trade I'd take depending on what they offer. Though I could see the Saints or Raiders trading up for some defensive player.

[Mt. Crushmore]

58 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Not quite, that was so annoying with the "Harbaugh connection"

Still half of February, all of March and most of April to go

[52520Andrew]

3 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Still half of February, all of March and most of April to go

Yeah still a long way to go, at least it hasn't been the Rams every time though

[RAYvenFan20]

On January 23, 2016 at 0:05 PM, balfan23 said:

I thought the same thing. If there is a team that may want to jump at a QB, I think it is them. The storyline of a poor performing team starting with a clean slate ... a new city and a new QB ... may be too much to resist.

 

Now, the question is whether or not Fischer believes that Goff is really a guy you can build your franchise around AND how high do you have to jump to get him. I think the only way they jump is if the Browns get an FA QB and select a different position. Otherwise, the LA Rams (wow, it feels weird to say that in a deja vu kind of way) would have to jump to #1 to get him. The cost of that (despite what ammo they may have) will be prohibitive. 

 

Of course, LA believes that there are multiple franchise QBs in this draft, they may jump even if CLE takes a QB. If that happens, then I think we become an ideal trading partner. 

I think they're more likely to jump if Cleveland does take a qb. 3 first round talent qbs in the draft this year. If all 3 are still there when we are on the click, not much of a need to trade up for one. Honestly if somehow Cleveland and another team go qb before us, we could rob any other qb needy team