Quarterbacks, Trade Ups and the 2016 NFL Draft

[thieverycorporation]

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Eagles have too many holes too essentially trade their entire draft. They fired kelly because they thought he gutted a good roster, so ids any reason why they would continue to compound the mess when they went to such great extents to stop the bleeding

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/1/12/10754894/baltimore-ravens-in-a-prime-spot-to-trade-down-in-the-2016-draft

[January J]

I think that st Louis officially moving to LA makes them a top trade back candidate right now for sure. They are going to want a fresh young quarterback to start over in a new location.makes a lot of sense.

Edited January 13, 2016 by January J

[January J]

Browns have hired the Bengals OC and has said that they are officially moving on from Johnny manzeil. Furthering the narrative that they will be taking a quarterback with the second pick. Good for us.

[allblackraven]

If Houston already made the playoffs with their sorry excuse for quarterbacks, then I think they can afford to mortgage the future a little, I think O'brian is buying time doing well without a decent QB but he knows he can't go far without a QB, if they gave up 2 1st and a 2nd they'd still be in good shape to add a few more good players around their new QB. And if all goes well their new QB will tank and the Texans go 2-14 and we have the number one overall pick in 2017.

There are no QBs worth that much in this class. I'm thinking Texans give a shot to Manziel for late round pick instead - apparently moving on from Johnny was what Hue Jackson wants. The Rams might be an option for Manziel as well. Then, there's RGIII - someone's going to make a bet on him.

[PurpleCity5]

Browns have hired the Bengals OC and has said that they are officially moving on from Johnny manzeil. Furthering the narrative that they will be taking a quarterback with the second pick. Good for us.

I hope that eliminates them in their running for Bosa. My biggest fear in him being gone is Dallas, I'm afraid Jerry Jones would go insane for him, I just have a feeling since they took Randy Gregory there, I really hope they trade back. I fearful of San Diego but something tells me they will take a tackle. Then there is Jacksonville who I think can throw a curveball and take Buckener or just take Ramsey who they could really use.

[January J]

I hope that eliminates them in their running for Bosa. My biggest fear in him being gone is Dallas, I'm afraid Jerry Jones would go insane for him, I just have a feeling since they took Randy Gregory there, I really hope they trade back. I fearful of San Diego but something tells me they will take a tackle. Then there is Jacksonville who I think can throw a curveball and take Buckener or just take Ramsey who they could really use.

hard to say..Dallas is definitely a threat..I've heard talks about them possibly moving on from Greg hardy as well, which would further that possibility. But hey- somebody will fall to us. Just a matter of who. For once we know for sure that we Will end up with somebody we highly covet regardless. Edited January 14, 2016 by January J

[Mt. Crushmore]

Interesting note from someone covering the Shrine Game:

 

 

Draft nugget: was just told if Carson Wentz does well at Senior Bowl he's gone before Dallas gets a shot at him at 4 overall.

 

https://twitter.com/JeffRisdon/status/689269533777985537

Edited January 19, 2016 by Mt. Crushmore

[rmw10]

Interesting note from someone covering the Shrine Game:

https://twitter.com/JeffRisdon/status/689269533777985537

Hello, Cleveland.

[allblackraven]

Guys, need a reminder here please.

 

As of now we have picks in rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 6

 

What are projected comp picks for Ravens this year?

[ArsenalRaven666]

Guys, need a reminder here please.

 

As of now we have picks in rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 6

 

What are projected comp picks for Ravens this year?

http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

http://overthecap.com/draft/

 

According to overthecap we are predicted to be rewarded a 4th McPhee, 4th Torrey Smith and 5th for Daniels.

 

McPhee could have possibly become a 3rd based on seasons performance but unlikely to get upgraded that far but maybe the top 4th comp pick.  He has performed better then Culliver and Tramon Williams over the season.

Torrey Smith hasnt played well but is high enough in 4th based on salery not to drop down to the 5th but has probably dropped a few spots down.

Daniels is currently a 5th but is on the border of 5th/6th, his playoff performances could help him remain there.

 

Ravens 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th (from broncos), two 4th comp, 5th comp and 6th rounder.

[Sizzlebshu]

Interesting note from someone covering the Shrine Game

https://twitter.com/JeffRisdon/status/689269533777985537

lol

[January J]

http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

http://overthecap.com/draft/

 

According to overthecap we are predicted to be rewarded a 4th McPhee, 4th Torrey Smith and 5th for Daniels.

 

McPhee could have possibly become a 3rd based on seasons performance but unlikely to get upgraded that far but maybe the top 4th comp pick.  He has performed better then Culliver and Tramon Williams over the season.

Torrey Smith hasnt played well but is high enough in 4th based on salery not to drop down to the 5th but has probably dropped a few spots down.

Daniels is currently a 5th but is on the border of 5th/6th, his playoff performances could help him remain there.

 

Ravens 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th (from broncos), two 4th comp, 5th comp and 6th rounder.

so we have 4 4ths? I smell some trade ups..not with the comps ofcourse.

[allblackraven]

http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

http://overthecap.com/draft/

 

According to overthecap we are predicted to be rewarded a 4th McPhee, 4th Torrey Smith and 5th for Daniels.

 

McPhee could have possibly become a 3rd based on seasons performance but unlikely to get upgraded that far but maybe the top 4th comp pick.  He has performed better then Culliver and Tramon Williams over the season.

Torrey Smith hasnt played well but is high enough in 4th based on salery not to drop down to the 5th but has probably dropped a few spots down.

Daniels is currently a 5th but is on the border of 5th/6th, his playoff performances could help him remain there.

 

Ravens 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th (from broncos), two 4th comp, 5th comp and 6th rounder.

Thanks. I'm still hoping that we get at least something for Tyrod, regardless of his bad contract. Might have played well enough to compensate.

[rmw10]

Thanks. I'm still hoping that we get at least something for Tyrod, regardless of his bad contract. Might have played well enough to compensate.

 

Biggest issue with Tyrod is that he doesn't have any accolades (playoffs, pro bowl, etc.) and missed a few games due to injury.

[GrimCoconut]

Biggest issue with Tyrod is that he doesn't have any accolades (playoffs, pro bowl, etc.) and missed a few games due to injury.

Owen Daniels may get a bump, though. That's always good.

[ArsenalRaven666]

Owen Daniels may get a bump, though. That's always good.

Would be nice but I only see it moving him up the draft order in the 5th rather then jumping up rounds to the 4th. 

We could pull out a "Kruger" and unexpectly get a higher round pick ... heres hoping

 

Do you think five 4th rounder would be overkill lol

[rmw10]

Would be nice but I only see it moving him up the draft order in the 5th rather then jumping up rounds to the 4th. 

We could pull out a "Kruger" and unexpectly get a higher round pick ... heres hoping

 

Do you think five 4th rounder would be overkill lol

 

Yeah I'd say a 4th is not going to happen.  $4M a year, even with some nice accolades and playing time, isn't historically 4th round material.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah I expect him to get us a fifth. A higher fifth is always good though. Who knows, though. Maybe he surprises us all lol

[allblackraven]

Biggest issue with Tyrod is that he doesn't have any accolades (playoffs, pro bowl, etc.) and missed a few games due to injury.

Yeh, I know.

 

What about the fact that we had to put up with Schaub/Clausen to offset negatives?

[PurpleCity5]

As ironic as it may sound I think the Rams may be a team willing to sell its soul for a QB. If they feel that Paxton Lynch may be gone, I would be betting they would do it. Jeff Fisher is looking at his last chance to be an HC in the NFL, and the QB position is whats holding him back from getting his team to the playoffs. I also look at the fact that he turned down a first round pick in order to get Nick Foles (Which looks like an awful idea right now), the guy and his front office has to be extremely desperate right now. They just moved to LA and there could be some serious house-cleaning if they don't get it right. 

 

They have a pair of 2nd round picks this year so they could part ways with one of them in addition to giving us next years 1st in effort to swap picks. I would love that trade, 1.) Because you get two first round picks next season, and 2.) The Rams might not be a good team, what if we get a chance at Myles Garrett? Wow. 

[GrimCoconut]

As ironic as it may sound I think the Rams may be a team willing to sell its soul for a QB. If they feel that Paxton Lynch may be gone, I would be betting they would do it. Jeff Fisher is looking at his last chance to be an HC in the NFL, and the QB position is whats holding him back from getting his team to the playoffs. I also look at the fact that he turned down a first round pick in order to get Nick Foles (Which looks like an awful idea right now), the guy and his front office has to be extremely desperate right now. They just moved to LA and there could be some serious house-cleaning if they don't get it right.

They have a pair of 2nd round picks this year so they could part ways with one of them in addition to giving us next years 1st in effort to swap picks. I would love that trade, 1.) Because you get two first round picks next season, and 2.) The Rams might not be a good team, what if we get a chance at Myles Garrett? Wow.

It's certainly possible. I'm not sure what we'd get but if we got that deal I'd be good with it even if the Rams make it to the Super Bowl. Two first round picks? Yes, please.

[PurpleCity5]

It's certainly possible. I'm not sure what we'd get but if we got that deal I'd be good with it even if the Rams make it to the Super Bowl. Two first round picks? Yes, please.

Also including a 2nd for this year as well and we totally got a deal. If we traded back and got Hargreaves or Alexander in addition to Noah spence in the 1st via trade up I would consider day one a huge win.

[Sizzlebshu]

Its interesting that cossell ranks goff so highly. I xan see why from a technique standpoint but i still wonder about his arm strength (which his technique maximizes) and if it will need to be hidden by scheme and good talent similar to Daltons

[January J]

As ironic as it may sound I think the Rams may be a team willing to sell its soul for a QB. If they feel that Paxton Lynch may be gone, I would be betting they would do it. Jeff Fisher is looking at his last chance to be an HC in the NFL, and the QB position is whats holding him back from getting his team to the playoffs. I also look at the fact that he turned down a first round pick in order to get Nick Foles (Which looks like an awful idea right now), the guy and his front office has to be extremely desperate right now. They just moved to LA and there could be some serious house-cleaning if they don't get it right.

They have a pair of 2nd round picks this year so they could part ways with one of them in addition to giving us next years 1st in effort to swap picks. I would love that trade, 1.) Because you get two first round picks next season, and 2.) The Rams might not be a good team, what if we get a chance at Myles Garrett? Wow.

possibly but if Fischer is worried about getting fired and this is his last chance he may not want to take a rookie qb and take the time to develop him..he would likely trade for or sign an already established qb who can lead them to the playoffs. But then again he might not be the one making the decision and i def see them wanting a new franchise qb to start fresh in LA. would we want to jump all the way back to 15 though ? If the juice Is worth the squeeze I think so. We could end up with a high extra first next year and that extra second this year would be extremely valuable and could be used as ammo to jump back into the first and take one of the top rushers or lbs that fall such as Floyd , jack, or jaylon smith. So many possibilities. Not to mention I think we can still get a game changer at 15 such as Alexander or Noah spence. Edited January 21, 2016 by January J

[PurpleCity5]

possibly but if Fischer is worried about getting fired and this is his last chance he may not want to take a rookie qb and take the time to develop him..he would likely trade for or sign an already established qb who can lead them to the playoffs. But then again he might not be the one making the decision and i def see them wanting a new franchise qb to start fresh in LA. would we want to jump all the way back to 15 though ? If the juice Is worth the squeeze I think so. We could end up with a high extra first next year and that extra second this year would be extremely valuable and could be used as ammo to jump back into the first and take one of the top rushers or lbs that fall such as Floyd , jack, or jaylon smith. So many possibilities. Not to mention I think we can still get a game changer at 15 such as Alexander or Noah spence.

I think a rookie QB is better than any of his other options. I look at FA and I honestly have to say he doesn't have much there at all. It also gives him a reason to be able to keep his job. Ken Whisenhunt did it with Marcus Mariota hoping that it would allow him to keep his job, unfortunately for him his team was so awful that it didn't allow him to do that. 

 

As far as jumping back to 15, if they offer an extra 1st and 2nd you take that deal no questions asked, even if it involved moving back there, that would be huge for this team. If they suck next year that would potentially give us a top 10 pick including our original 1st. 

 

-Use the 15th on Hargreaves or Alexander

-Move back up with our original 2nd rounder to pick up Noah Spence

-Use our original 2nd on a WR 

 

This would be my dream draft honestly. Not to forget we also will have two first next year. What if we trade back again for another future 1st like Cleveland did and have unlimited 2-first round picks for like 5 years straight? LOL

Edited January 21, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[ArsenalRaven666]

I would be all for trading down with the Rams as I believe there will still be several top players availiable at that point and would gain valuable picks.  As a minimum i would Expect their 1st 2nd and 4th, if they are desparate their 1st both their 2nds and future ones.

 

At 15 could go bpa, the following player have been predicted to be there; Buckner, Nkemdiche, Hargreaves III, Robinson, Treadwell, Stanley, Floyd plus many others that people on here have wanted to take at 6.

Edited January 21, 2016 by ArsenalRaven666

[January J]

I think a rookie QB is better than any of his other options. I look at FA and I honestly have to say he doesn't have much there at all. It also gives him a reason to be able to keep his job. Ken Whisenhunt did it with Marcus Mariota hoping that it would allow him to keep his job, unfortunately for him his team was so awful that it didn't allow him to do that.

As far as jumping back to 15, if they offer an extra 1st and 2nd you take that deal no questions asked, even if it involved moving back there, that would be huge for this team. If they suck next year that would potentially give us a top 10 pick including our original 1st.

-Use the 15th on Hargreaves or Alexander

-Move back up with our original 2nd rounder to pick up Noah Spence

-Use our original 2nd on a WR

This would be my dream draft honestly. Not to forget we also will have two first next year. What if we trade back again for another future 1st like Cleveland did and have unlimited 2-first round picks for like 5 years straight? LOL

I would absolutely be pumped if that were to happen. And what if they offered us both of their second rounders for this year? Not sure they would do that bc they would likely want to spread things out but imagine a first round pick at 15 and then 3 second rounders! The second round is loaded with talent this year. Say we got Noah spence at 15..Eli apple, Boyd and yannick all before round 3? Or maybe even Treadwell. ..then jaylon smith(doubt it) ...fuller and whatever pass rusher is available. So many different possibilities man. Edited January 22, 2016 by January J

[PurpleCity5]

I would absolutely be pumped if that were to happen. And what if they offered us both of their second rounders for this year? Not sure they would do that bc they would likely want to spread things out but imagine a first round pick at 15 and then 3 second rounders! The second round is loaded with talent this year. Say we got Noah spence at 15..Eli apple, Boyd and yannick all before round 3? Or maybe even Treadwell. ..then jaylon smith(doubt it) ...fuller and whatever pass rusher is available. So many different possibilities man.

I would take two 2nd round picks, but it really depends on who is there for me. Three 2nd round picks would give us ammo to move back into the 1st. Again, it really depends on who is there.

[thieverycorporation]

I would absolutely be pumped if that were to happen. And what if they offered us both of their second rounders for this year? Not sure they would do that bc they would likely want to spread things out but imagine a first round pick at 15 and then 3 second rounders! The second round is loaded with talent this year. Say we got Noah spence at 15..Eli apple, Boyd and yannick all before round 3? Or maybe even Treadwell. ..then jaylon smith(doubt it) ...fuller and whatever pass rusher is available. So many different possibilities man.

Dude that would be EPIC as a steal. Teams would be going down hard. I would definitely take Jaylon if he fell due to injury. We can absorb the hit for at least a year. We'd have talent and I think the fan base would support us taking him. At least the ones that know the upside. Jaylon's film is un deniable.  plus the surplus of picks would by far surpass any of our divisional rivals. Cause they are about to get hit hard. Pittsburgh will feel it the most. The aging plays, likely retiree's, free agents and limited free cap space will compromise them. The Browns, well, never mind, non factor. The Bungles lose a lot because they will get plucked for talent. Leaves us. I'm stoked at the possibilities of owning this draft. I think Ozzie plays a masterful hand. And he's heading straight for Belicheat.

Edited January 22, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[thieverycorporation]

I would take two 2nd round picks, but it really depends on who is there for me. Three 2nd round picks would give us ammo to move back into the 1st. Again, it really depends on who is there.

You damm skippy. Totally control the boards. Up, down and all around. One player in the first don't spoil the whole bag of beans. Not one single soul is worth the whole bunch in the first. One single player can't be the answer in the first round but rather a vital cog in the scheme of things. I trust Ozzie a lot more because I truly believe he gets it even more now. He viewed the last product and got an upset stomach.