Realisticly What do you think happens to Tucker, K.O. and Upshaw this off season?

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Wow. For a RT? That's crazy. I'm not sure how this changes things. 

From what I'm reading, the expectation is he's the LT of the future, potentially as soon as this year. Peters is 34, and he's got cap hits north of $11M starting in 2017. They can create significant cap space by cutting Peters anytime in the near future.

I'd expect Lane Johnson to be their LT in 2017 at the latest.

[redlobster]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Wow. For a RT? That's crazy. I'm not sure how this changes things. 

he is their future LT, Jason Peters has been getting injured often, I bet he is there maybe 1 more year.

[jazz1988]

On 1/29/2016 at 0:27 PM, GrimCoconut said:

Wow. For a RT? That's crazy. I'm not sure how this changes things. 

There speculation that The Eagles may be moving him to left tackle  

Edit:never mind others have said it already lol

Edited January 31, 2016 by jazz1988

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On January 29, 2016 at 0:27 PM, GrimCoconut said:

Wow. For a RT? That's crazy. I'm not sure how this changes things. 

Pretty sure their plan is to move him to LT. He slid over when Peters was injured and did well. Peters is on his last legs and may even be cut bc of age, cost, health, and attitude issues (blatantly taking himself out of games last year bc he didn't want to play for chip).

Eagles know he's the LT of the future and Lanes agent knew it, so he got LT money. 

 

I don't think KO will get nearly that much. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Pretty sure their plan is to move him to LT. He slid over when Peters was injured and did well. Peters is on his last legs and may even be cut bc of age, cost, health, and attitude issues (blatantly taking himself out of games last year bc he didn't want to play for chip).

Eagles know he's the LT of the future and Lanes agent knew it, so he got LT money. 

 

I don't think KO will get nearly that much. 

Certainly possible. He's shown versatility like Johnson, and if a team decides he's going to be their LT, then he can easily get $9-10M a year.

[JacktheRaven]

Ravens will extend any player they really want. They will sign tucker eventually, unless he falters. If K.O. & Upshaw are the "right player, right price", they'll sign both.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

25 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Certainly possible. He's shown versatility like Johnson, and if a team decides he's going to be their LT, then he can easily get $9-10M a year.

Yea you're right, it's a definite possibility. 

I just don't know if any team will view him as their franchise LT with only a very brief stint of above average play to bank on. But I may be giving too much credit to some front offices. 

It's not like Lane Johnson where he's only played limited game time at LT but they've been able to see him take reps every day at practice... With KO, outside the Ravens, there is very little to evaluate him as a left tackle. 

I think we should offer him elite guard money plus a little bit and have him take over LT in 2017 and cut Monroe next offseason. 

[rmcjacket23]

47 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea you're right, it's a definite possibility. 

I just don't know if any team will view him as their franchise LT with only a very brief stint of above average play to bank on. But I may be giving too much credit to some front offices. 

It's not like Lane Johnson where he's only played limited game time at LT but they've been able to see him take reps every day at practice... With KO, outside the Ravens, there is very little to evaluate him as a left tackle. 

I think we should offer him elite guard money plus a little bit and have him take over LT in 2017 and cut Monroe next offseason. 

There's no possible scenario I see where we fit KO and Monroe under the cap this season. I'm not even convinced we'd want to retain KO as a Guard, because we are so good at drafting and developing interior lineman that it doesn't make much sense to.

Either one or the other is on the team next season, but I'd bet both is out of the question.

[BmoreBird22]

24 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

There's no possible scenario I see where we fit KO and Monroe under the cap this season. I'm not even convinced we'd want to retain KO as a Guard, because we are so good at drafting and developing interior lineman that it doesn't make much sense to.

Either one or the other is on the team next season, but I'd bet both is out of the question.

Monroe's cap hit in his first season was $3.2M and that was for a deal averaging $7.5M. I don't think KO makes any more than that, personally, so fitting in another $3.2M cap hit shouldn't be considered out of the question, especially if Monroe takes a pay cut, as I think the Ravens will approach him with that.

Edited January 31, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[rmcjacket23]

55 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Monroe's cap hit in his first season was $3.2M and that was for a deal averaging $7.5M. I don't think KO makes any more than that, personally, so fitting in another $3.2M cap hit shouldn't be considered out of the question, especially if Monroe takes a pay cut, as I think the Ravens will approach him with that.

1. I think KO gets more on the open market than Monroe did.

2. I think the FO would be more inclined to cut Monroe and save the $2.1M in space.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

There's no possible scenario I see where we fit KO and Monroe under the cap this season. I'm not even convinced we'd want to retain KO as a Guard, because we are so good at drafting and developing interior lineman that it doesn't make much sense to.

Either one or the other is on the team next season, but I'd bet both is out of the question.

With the dead money left by cutting Monroe I believe it only really costs about $2mill to keep him. 

My thoughts are keep both for this coming year and cut Zuttah (saves about the same cap as cutting Monroe I believe) and Urschel takes over at center. 

 

Next year cut Monroe when there are real savings and KO takes over LT with Jensen taking over at guard or a draft pick (Whitehair in the 2nd if he's there?).

i just don't see paying Monroe $5.5mill to not be here when it only costs $2mill more to have him. And imo when healthy Monroe at LT > Zuttah at center and Urschel at C > KO at LT. And since the savings are about equal between cutting Zuttah and Monroe this year, it makes much more sense to cut Zuttah now.

 

[PurpleCity5]

50 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

With the dead money left by cutting Monroe I believe it only really costs about $2mill to keep him. 

My thoughts are keep both for this coming year and cut Zuttah (saves about the same cap as cutting Monroe I believe) and Urschel takes over at center. 

 

Next year cut Monroe when there are real savings and KO takes over LT with Jensen taking over at guard or a draft pick (Whitehair in the 2nd if he's there?).

i just don't see paying Monroe $5.5mill to not be here when it only costs $2mill more to have him. And imo when healthy Monroe at LT > Zuttah at center and Urschel at C > KO at LT. And since the savings are about equal between cutting Zuttah and Monroe this year, it makes much more sense to cut Zuttah now.

 

I don't see why you would keep Monroe if K.O stays and give him a role that he'll clearly be unhappy with, that is a bench player. K.O is returning as a LT, not an OG, we have options at guard, while LT is where is void is. Monroe is better off being let go, it would be a benefit to both sides, have K.O to be your LT and obtain future cap savings while letting Monroe pursue a starting job elsewhere. 

 

I don't think Zuttah deserves to be cut either. I think he's a good center, not elite but there has been a shortage of good centers in the NFL and he's surely one of the best pass blocking centers, I think he gets way more flack than needed. 

[rmcjacket23]

36 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't see why you would keep Monroe if K.O stays and give him a role that he'll clearly be unhappy with, that is a bench player. K.O is returning as a LT, not an OG, we have options at guard, while LT is where is void is. Monroe is better off being let go, it would be a benefit to both sides, have K.O to be your LT and obtain future cap savings while letting Monroe pursue a starting job elsewhere. 

 

I don't think Zuttah deserves to be cut either. I think he's a good center, not elite but there has been a shortage of good centers in the NFL and he's surely one of the best pass blocking centers, I think he gets way more flack than needed. 

Agree. I see no chance the Ravens resign KO and play him at Guard. You'd either have Monroe as a backup or you cut him, which makes more sense.

Urschel can compete for LG spot and as the backup center. I wasn't impressed with him at all as center, and I think Zuttah is clearly better. Thought he was one of our better lineman before getting injured and is underrated.

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. I think KO gets more on the open market than Monroe did.

2. I think the FO would be more inclined to cut Monroe and save the $2.1M in space.

Only four guards currently make more per year than Monroe and one of them is Marshall Yanda. Yanda isn't even the highest paid guard in the league and he has the versatility to play RT in a pinch at a high level.

We'll never know because when he's actually healthy, he's well worth the cap hit. At this point, I would think they'd be more inclined to hope Monroe gets healthy and have continuity on the offensive line.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Only four guards currently make more per year than Monroe and one of them is Marshall Yanda. Yanda isn't even the highest paid guard in the league and he has the versatility to play RT in a pinch at a high level.

We'll never know because when he's actually healthy, he's well worth the cap hit. At this point, I would think they'd be more inclined to hope Monroe gets healthy and have continuity on the offensive line.

Yes, but I think any team that plans to play him at tackle will pay him at least $7M a year, since that's essentially the floor for LTs not on rookie deals.

If they think KO can play LT, then chances are they think he can play RT as well, making him about as versatile of a lineman as you can find.

Depending on what teams want him for, I think his floor is $7M. That's high end guard money and basically low end veteran LT money.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't see why you would keep Monroe if K.O stays and give him a role that he'll clearly be unhappy with, that is a bench player. K.O is returning as a LT, not an OG, we have options at guard, while LT is where is void is. Monroe is better off being let go, it would be a benefit to both sides, have K.O to be your LT and obtain future cap savings while letting Monroe pursue a starting job elsewhere. 

 

I don't think Zuttah deserves to be cut either. I think he's a good center, not elite but there has been a shortage of good centers in the NFL and he's surely one of the best pass blocking centers, I think he gets way more flack than needed. 

Because imo our best line is Monroe at LT and KO at LG. 

Im im not sold on KO as a franchise LT bc of a few games that didn't mean anything. 

Plus if we let go of Monroe we have no tackle depth.

i just don't see the point in creating holes or experimenting with our O-Line that when healthy is among the best units in the league. 

 

We we have a vague idea of what a line of KO, Urschel/Jensen, Zuttah/Urschel, Yanda, Wagner could be but it's based on very limited experience in meaningless competition. And we don't yet know how Zuttah comes back from injury. 

Sure you can say the same for Monroe - I just don't see the point in paying $5.5mill for a LT to not be on the team who when healthy makes us much better. And you could approach him about a restructure bc of his health issues.... A minor paycut to stay is probably more money than he'd earn on the open market. 

 

When it's possible to bring back all 5 starters from one of the best lines in the league, I'm not a fan of having 3 potential question marks on the line just to save $2mill in cap space this year (which would be a lot more if u just wait a year... And you'll get that $2mill in value from Monroe by keeping him)... Even more so when you can save that same $2mill by letting go of another injured player who's long term replacement is definitely on the roster and has had a ton of reps already in that position. 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think everyone is making too much of KO as a LT. Sure, showing that he can play in a pinch improved his value - but it doesn't make him a franchise LT all the sudden. 

Yanda filled in as a RT last year... We didn't resign him as a RT because he's the best guard in football. 

KO has the potential to be a top guard in the league, and played ok at tackle. He was serviceable in meaningless games... Not dominant.

If I have a guy that can be dominant at one position, or pretty good at a more important position I'm sticking him where he can be dominant especially when I already have a player currently better than him that only costs me $2.1mill. 

I would bet even if we resign KO and cut Monroe we would draft Tunsil/Stanley is either were on the board. I just don't see the team handing KO the starting LT job with no real contingency plan after a few decent games. 

Thats the type of team building used on the WR position that we all bashed the FO for. 

Aiken proved this year that he can be serviceable as the #1 WR in a pinch. We're not paying him $7-8 mill a year and relying on it though because he's much better as a 3rd or 4th option.

and if you're going to shell out LT money to a FA, as much as I love KO I'd rather sign Cordy Glenn who's proven more at LT. 

Edited February 1, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Because imo our best line is Monroe at LT and KO at LG. 

Im im not sold on KO as a franchise LT bc of a few games that didn't mean anything. 

Plus if we let go of Monroe we have no tackle depth.

i just don't see the point in creating holes or experimenting with our O-Line that when healthy is among the best units in the league. 

 

We we have a vague idea of what a line of KO, Urschel/Jensen, Zuttah/Urschel, Yanda, Wagner could be but it's based on very limited experience in meaningless competition. And we don't yet know how Zuttah comes back from injury. 

Sure you can say the same for Monroe - I just don't see the point in paying $5.5mill for a LT to not be on the team who when healthy makes us much better. And you could approach him about a restructure bc of his health issues.... A minor paycut to stay is probably more money than he'd earn on the open market. 

 

When it's possible to bring back all 5 starters from one of the best lines in the league, I'm not a fan of having 3 potential question marks on the line just to save $2mill in cap space this year (which would be a lot more if u just wait a year... And you'll get that $2mill in value from Monroe by keeping him)... Even more so when you can save that same $2mill by letting go of another injured player who's long term replacement is definitely on the roster and has had a ton of reps already in that position. 

 

You can say you're not sold on K.O, but can you be sold on Eugene Monroe to stay healthy for a full 16 game season? I forgot who it is, Preston I think? Not sure but someone pointed out the biggest problem that the Ravens have with Eugene Monroe isn't only the games he's missed, but the one's he's failed to finish. Do you have confidence in him playing a full season? I have more confidence in K.O excelling at LT, then I do about Monroe playing a full season or at least most of it. 

 

Also, why bring back K.O as an LG? We have options there. You have CB, OLB, FS, and WR all as needs, are you going to fork over $8M to K.O to come back at LG with those needs? I surely wouldn't. I don't even consider his versatility worth it if he isn't playing LT for us.  

 

Also, If I can recall, we did approach Monroe for a contract re-do, and he said no. After that, it was reported that him and the organization don't see eye-to-eye. Do you really want to go up to that guy, and tell him he'll be on the bench next year? It's a win-win for both sides if he's gone and K.O returns. On one hand, we'll have someone who we think can be that guy at LT, and on the other hand, Monroe can pursue a starting roster spot elsewhere.

 

I don't think Zuttah's injury is considered serious enough for us to consider he won't be the same. You can say the same about Eugene Monroe who also had a season ending injury. Zuttah is more than serviceable at center opposite from Urschel who had a streak of negative graded games from PFF. I used to have my opinions on Zuttah, but after watching him and Urschel, I personally believe Zuttah gets way too much hack from this board. I don't see center as a question mark right now. I also don't see offensive guard as too big of  question mark with the options we have there in Jensen and Urschel. I personally believe of the three positions, if Monroe returns he would be the biggest question mark. 

 

Even if K.O returns at LT, I still believe we'll add more depth at LT, I still believe we'll find a back up LT. I don't think Hurst can be relied upon to do so, and when he plays, it seems that the whole offensive line breaks down. 

 

 

[Winchester]

8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Agree. I see no chance the Ravens resign KO and play him at Guard. You'd either have Monroe as a backup or you cut him, which makes more sense.

Urschel can compete for LG spot and as the backup center. I wasn't impressed with him at all as center, and I think Zuttah is clearly better. Thought he was one of our better lineman before getting injured and is underrated.

 

 

Monroe is a scrub that clearly cares very little about football. Zuttah gets no movement in the run game. Urschel played very well the last 2 games. By end of training camp he will be the clear cut stronger,more aggressive and dominant center. Harbs like powerful nasty lineman with enough athleticism. Last 2 games the OLine was better than it was all year by leaps and bounds!! Urschel and Jensen play with very good power and together generate a surge while intimidating defensive lineman. Jensen is a steal!! With his known power and athleticism he would be a top50 pick in this draft. The power guards in this draft are mostly slow plodders the athletic guards are finesse with little strength. Jensen at 327 LBs is far more athletic than he looks!! He also played with good chemistry with KO and helped Urschel while he was adjusting to center. And KO is a must resign!! I guarantee he will be a top5 left tackle. And the whole OLine plays with terrific strength and nasty temperament which takes the defense off their game!! Zuttah probably has trade value. No point inserting him back at center when much cheaper Urschel will win the center job by end of camp as he finishes adjusting. Urschel is stronger and plays nastier and takes the defense out of its game plan after he mauls them for several plays. And the ravens are against the cap with needs to fill and Zuttah saves a whopping $5mil. The OLine was very dominant playing Pitt and bungals!! If the ravens owned legit playmakers the bungals would of been blown out by halftime the way the OLine played

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

You can say you're not sold on K.O, but can you be sold on Eugene Monroe to stay healthy for a full 16 game season? I forgot who it is, Preston I think? Not sure but someone pointed out the biggest problem that the Ravens have with Eugene Monroe isn't only the games he's missed, but the one's he's failed to finish. Do you have confidence in him playing a full season? I have more confidence in K.O excelling at LT, then I do about Monroe playing a full season or at least most of it. 

 

Also, why bring back K.O as an LG? We have options there. You have CB, OLB, FS, and WR all as needs, are you going to fork over $8M to K.O to come back at LG with those needs? I surely wouldn't. I don't even consider his versatility worth it if he isn't playing LT for us.  

 

Also, If I can recall, we did approach Monroe for a contract re-do, and he said no. After that, it was reported that him and the organization don't see eye-to-eye. Do you really want to go up to that guy, and tell him he'll be on the bench next year? It's a win-win for both sides if he's gone and K.O returns. On one hand, we'll have someone who we think can be that guy at LT, and on the other hand, Monroe can pursue a starting roster spot elsewhere.

 

I don't think Zuttah's injury is considered serious enough for us to consider he won't be the same. You can say the same about Eugene Monroe who also had a season ending injury. Zuttah is more than serviceable at center opposite from Urschel who had a streak of negative graded games from PFF. I used to have my opinions on Zuttah, but after watching him and Urschel, I personally believe Zuttah gets way too much hack from this board. I don't see center as a question mark right now. I also don't see offensive guard as too big of  question mark with the options we have there in Jensen and Urschel. I personally believe of the three positions, if Monroe returns he would be the biggest question mark. 

 

Even if K.O returns at LT, I still believe we'll add more depth at LT, I still believe we'll find a back up LT. I don't think Hurst can be relied upon to do so, and when he plays, it seems that the whole offensive line breaks down. 

 

 

I agree with many of your points... No I'm not sold on Monroe. 

But for just $2mill I'd be willing to see if he can stay healthy. I don't want to invest $5.5mill plus the $8mill you're earmarking for KO into just one position on the line. 

Your point about paying $8mill for KO to play LG and that hindering your ability to fill other needs doesn't really ring true bc the $2mill you save by cutting Monroe isn't going to fill those needs either... 

But the truth is, even if KO gets a deal averaging $8mill his cap hit next year will likely be half that. So signing him, even if it's for LG isn't going to kill our ability to make some other signings. 

I just think it's a better business decision to keep Monroe even if you sign KO. The $2mill is really nothing for a starting caliber LT. 

My intentions wouldn't be to have Monroe sitting on the bench. I'd make him the starter for one more year and cut him after 2016 when you save a lot more and keep him while KOs cap hit will be very manageable. 

IMO it doesn't make sense to say you can't afford to keep Monroe if you resign KO because you're going to pay $5.5mill to not keep him. 

I want the best line possible and to me Monroe at LT with KO as the backup, KO at LG, Zuttah at C, and Yanda and Wagner on the right with Urschel/Jensen as your interior backups and KO as your backup LT and Yanda as the RT is phenomenal. You could literally afford to have 2 starters go down anywhere on the line and still have the lineup you're looking at by letting Monroe go. 

 

And it only costs you $2million to have that amazing depth. We've seen how injuries can dismantle an otherwise promising season. This is $2mill insurance to make sure the offensive line is going to be almost fail proof. 

If you would pay $2mill for a backup lineman then it becomes a moot point to discuss Monroe's injuries... Bc you're planning on a backup maybe playing a couple games. So if you get that out of Monroe it's no different but you also get the upside of him being healthy and having a far superior offensive line. 

If we saved $6mill by cutting Monroe id see your point... 

But time will tell and I would bet we try to resign KO and keep Monroe. If KO chases more money elsewhere, that's unfortunate but I don't think the FO will see signing KO as a replacement for Monroe. They see him as a potential all-pro guard who can play tackle in a pinch... Just as they've always viewed Yanda who had proven earlier in his career that he could play tackle as well. When McKinnie and Oher were struggling they never tried to make Yanda a perminant solution at tackle. I see this situation the same way. 

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes, but I think any team that plans to play him at tackle will pay him at least $7M a year, since that's essentially the floor for LTs not on rookie deals.

If they think KO can play LT, then chances are they think he can play RT as well, making him about as versatile of a lineman as you can find.

Depending on what teams want him for, I think his floor is $7M. That's high end guard money and basically low end veteran LT money.

Which again, would still be manageable with Monroe's cap if we figure he made just over $7M and had a cap hit of $3.2M. 

I also don't exactly see him being some super sought after LT. There are definitely longer tenured and better LT's on the market, or set to hit the market I should say, and if their teams don't re-sign these guys (Beachum, Glenn come to mind immediately), then KO will be considered a second tier LT, which should be the case since we only really saw four games at LT and he while he wasn't a liability, it was clear he's got a home at LG.

I'd say he'll make his money as a top 5 LG. 

[rmcjacket23]

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

 

Monroe is a scrub that clearly cares very little about football. Zuttah gets no movement in the run game. Urschel played very well the last 2 games. By end of training camp he will be the clear cut stronger,more aggressive and dominant center. Harbs like powerful nasty lineman with enough athleticism. Last 2 games the OLine was better than it was all year by leaps and bounds!! Urschel and Jensen play with very good power and together generate a surge while intimidating defensive lineman. Jensen is a steal!! With his known power and athleticism he would be a top50 pick in this draft. The power guards in this draft are mostly slow plodders the athletic guards are finesse with little strength. Jensen at 327 LBs is far more athletic than he looks!! He also played with good chemistry with KO and helped Urschel while he was adjusting to center. And KO is a must resign!! I guarantee he will be a top5 left tackle. And the whole OLine plays with terrific strength and nasty temperament which takes the defense off their game!! Zuttah probably has trade value. No point inserting him back at center when much cheaper Urschel will win the center job by end of camp as he finishes adjusting. Urschel is stronger and plays nastier and takes the defense out of its game plan after he mauls them for several plays. And the ravens are against the cap with needs to fill and Zuttah saves a whopping $5mil. The OLine was very dominant playing Pitt and bungals!! If the ravens owned legit playmakers the bungals would of been blown out by halftime the way the OLine played

No idea where you got your salary cap information from (and I'm not sure I want to know to be honest), but cutting Zuttah saves about $1.3M against the cap. Nowhere close to $5M.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Which again, would still be manageable with Monroe's cap if we figure he made just over $7M and had a cap hit of $3.2M. 

I also don't exactly see him being some super sought after LT. There are definitely longer tenured and better LT's on the market, or set to hit the market I should say, and if their teams don't re-sign these guys (Beachum, Glenn come to mind immediately), then KO will be considered a second tier LT, which should be the case since we only really saw four games at LT and he while he wasn't a liability, it was clear he's got a home at LG.

I'd say he'll make his money as a top 5 LG. 

Very possible. Though, again, the difference between second tier LT money and top 5 guard money is practically nothing. A guy like Glenn is expected to command north of $10M, so even second tier LT money is in the $7-$8M range.

Its also possible the FO doesn't in any way view KO as a future LT, in which case I see a 0% chance they sign KO as a guard. Frankly, he's just not worth paying top 5 guard money to on a team that has shown the ability to develop guards anyway.

And the big elephant is the possibility of getting a LT in the draft and grooming him to take over for Monroe.

That's my best guess right now. I think KO is gone.

[BmoreBird22]

21 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Very possible. Though, again, the difference between second tier LT money and top 5 guard money is practically nothing. A guy like Glenn is expected to command north of $10M, so even second tier LT money is in the $7-$8M range.

Its also possible the FO doesn't in any way view KO as a future LT, in which case I see a 0% chance they sign KO as a guard. Frankly, he's just not worth paying top 5 guard money to on a team that has shown the ability to develop guards anyway.

And the big elephant is the possibility of getting a LT in the draft and grooming him to take over for Monroe.

That's my best guess right now. I think KO is gone.

I'm on the fence over whether he really stays or not. Offensive line continuity is about as important as it gets for any position on the football field. 

I would highly doubt the Ravens target a LT high in this draft at the moment. Just with how I think the picks will align at this point, I don't think they start worrying about one until round three, at the highest, and at that point, they're better off looking for a guard. Actually a really strong guard class.

I think it'll all depend on what type of pay day he wants.

[PurpleCity5]

9 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I agree with many of your points... No I'm not sold on Monroe. 

But for just $2mill I'd be willing to see if he can stay healthy. I don't want to invest $5.5mill plus the $8mill you're earmarking for KO into just one position on the line. 

Your point about paying $8mill for KO to play LG and that hindering your ability to fill other needs doesn't really ring true bc the $2mill you save by cutting Monroe isn't going to fill those needs either... 

But the truth is, even if KO gets a deal averaging $8mill his cap hit next year will likely be half that. So signing him, even if it's for LG isn't going to kill our ability to make some other signings. 

I just think it's a better business decision to keep Monroe even if you sign KO. The $2mill is really nothing for a starting caliber LT. 

My intentions wouldn't be to have Monroe sitting on the bench. I'd make him the starter for one more year and cut him after 2016 when you save a lot more and keep him while KOs cap hit will be very manageable. 

IMO it doesn't make sense to say you can't afford to keep Monroe if you resign KO because you're going to pay $5.5mill to not keep him. 

I want the best line possible and to me Monroe at LT with KO as the backup, KO at LG, Zuttah at C, and Yanda and Wagner on the right with Urschel/Jensen as your interior backups and KO as your backup LT and Yanda as the RT is phenomenal. You could literally afford to have 2 starters go down anywhere on the line and still have the lineup you're looking at by letting Monroe go. 

 

And it only costs you $2million to have that amazing depth. We've seen how injuries can dismantle an otherwise promising season. This is $2mill insurance to make sure the offensive line is going to be almost fail proof. 

If you would pay $2mill for a backup lineman then it becomes a moot point to discuss Monroe's injuries... Bc you're planning on a backup maybe playing a couple games. So if you get that out of Monroe it's no different but you also get the upside of him being healthy and having a far superior offensive line. 

If we saved $6mill by cutting Monroe id see your point... 

But time will tell and I would bet we try to resign KO and keep Monroe. If KO chases more money elsewhere, that's unfortunate but I don't think the FO will see signing KO as a replacement for Monroe. They see him as a potential all-pro guard who can play tackle in a pinch... Just as they've always viewed Yanda who had proven earlier in his career that he could play tackle as well. When McKinnie and Oher were struggling they never tried to make Yanda a perminant solution at tackle. I see this situation the same way. 

I don't see K.O going into that mold of a LG who can play LT role, it doesn't sit well honestly considering the needs we have on this team, either he plays LT full time or he walks. We have too many options for us to pay him to be a LG, I don't see him returning as a LG. If he returns, it will be as our LT. In that sense, what role would Eugene have on this team? Absolutely none, he would sit on the bench, I don't think that will sit well with a player who doesn't see eye-to-eye with the organization.

 

As of now, there's no need to see if he can stay healthy because he's proven he cannot. One year, its an injury riddled season, but two years in a row and its a trend. As I reiterated, its not even the games he missed, its the ones he failed to finish, that tells a bigger story to me. 

 

I don't see Yanda and K.O situation in a comparable light simply because LT is the more important position on line. This isn't to understate the important of Right tackle, but if I can recall, our guard situation would've went downhill reguardless had Yanda switched to RT simply because of how awful the entire OL was. It wouldn't have made a big difference, we didn't have nearly as much flexibility, but K.O's situation is more flexable simply because of the guys we have right now. 

Edited February 1, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Jacquouille]

I think Canty, K. Lewis, Arrington, Pitta and some others that I forgot are going to be cut, freeing cap space for KO. Tuck will be tagged, and hopefully Upshaw will be traded (I'm still new to the whole comp pick part, so I don't know if a team might have to pay too big of a price knowing that he was a 2nd round pick).

 

I think next year we won't have Rice's dead money, which is not to be forgotten.

[rmcjacket23]

On 2/1/2016 at 9:40 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

54 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I think Canty, K. Lewis, Arrington, Pitta and some others that I forgot are going to be cut, freeing cap space for KO. Tuck will be tagged, and hopefully Upshaw will be traded (I'm still new to the whole comp pick part, so I don't know if a team might have to pay too big of a price knowing that he was a 2nd round pick).

 

I think next year we won't have Rice's dead money, which is not to be forgotten.

1. Most of those cuts don't really free up much cap space, which is the problem. 

2. Upshaw can't be traded because he's not under contract with the Ravens. You can't trade somebody who isn't under contract

3. Comp picks only affect FAs lost and FAs signed

4. Ray Rice's dead money is irrelevant to the 2016 cap. We don't gain any cap space because he no longer counts against it... he never did count against it. Since most of the players now cost more than they did last year (namely Flacco, who costs twice as much), dead money is largely irrelevant.

Edited February 2, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[BmoreBird22]

50 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

 

Why is this showing up as quoting me?

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Why is this showing up as quoting me?

I have no idea. Had a tough time with the quoting option apparently. I think I did a multi-quote of some sort unintentionally.

[BmoreBird22]

27 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I have no idea. Had a tough time with the quoting option apparently. I think I did a multi-quote of some sort unintentionally.

I don't particularly like the new quoting system