Realisticly What do you think happens to Tucker, K.O. and Upshaw this off season?

[JEEPercreepermd]

I think Tucker gets a deal, and Upshaw walks no matter what. I'm 50/50 on KO.

[Tru11]

take away Tuckers 50 yarders and he is easily the best kicker in the game lol.

 

And i blame Cundiff, not Harbaugh.  A 32 yarder should be money...

 

Any idea how to look up stats for game winning FGs, i dont know where to look

 

beats me lol.

 

tried google and found nothing....

 

yup tucker is money and wont be going anywhere.

 

a 32 should be money when  you have enough time to line up.

all bets are off when you are running on to the field trying to make a kick with the play clock running down.

no reason for a HC to wait before sending them out and then conserving a TO with almost no time left lol.

 

its not like the TO carries over into OT.

[usmccharles]

beats me lol.

 

tried google and found nothing....

 

yup tucker is money and wont be going anywhere.

 

a 32 should be money when  you have enough time to line up.

all bets are off when you are running on to the field trying to make a kick with the play clock running down.

no reason for a HC to wait before sending them out and then conserving a TO with almost no time left lol.

 

its not like the TO carries over into OT.

I dont know, it looks like he had a decent amount of time, obviously could have been more...

 

 

WARNING: what you are about to see is very disturbing and shouldnt be watched by children, please be advised

 

[Winchester]

If this season is what tucker really is then he is nothing special really. And very replaceable. Besides I would prefer to keep the money scoring TDs. The more TDs scored the more irrelevant kicks become. If he can not be counted on to kick from 50+ he is closer to ordinary than great. Crunch the numbers this year and I bet tucker is middle of the pack. And like i said good kickers can be found. If a Kicker continues to work he is actually better couple yrs after graduation. I know a kicker who is really good.

As for KO the numbers do not tell all!! What do you think it did to the confidence and psyche of the patsies when their rock (Wilfork) was being manhandled and beaten up and mauled and left the game several times to get a break from his @$$kicking he was getting from that destroyer known as KO?? Same with SF in the Superbowl when KO roughened up Justin Smith.

[usmccharles]

If this season is what tucker really is then he is nothing special really. And very replaceable. Besides I would prefer to keep the money scoring TDs. The more TDs scored the more irrelevant kicks become. If he can not be counted on to kick from 50+ he is closer to ordinary than great. Crunch the numbers this year and I bet tucker is middle of the pack. And like i said good kickers can be found. If a Kicker continues to work he is actually better couple yrs after graduation. I know a kicker who is really good.

As for KO the numbers do not tell all!! What do you think it did to the confidence and psyche of the patsies when their rock (Wilfork) was being manhandled and beaten up and mauled and left the game several times to get a break from his @$$kicking he was getting from that destroyer known as KO?? Same with SF in the Superbowl when KO roughened up Justin Smith.

So scoring TDs is preferred? i think you are onto something here.  When you kick a lot more FGs than others, more than likely your going to miss more.  Same goes with qbs who throw 45 times a game compared to a game managers style...who is going to throw more ints?  Theres a reason why hes already considered one of the most accurate kickers in nfl history....

[Winchester]

So scoring TDs is preferred? i think you are onto something here.  When you kick a lot more FGs than others, more than likely your going to miss more.  Same goes with qbs who throw 45 times a game compared to a game managers style...who is going to throw more ints?  Theres a reason why hes already considered one of the most accurate kickers in nfl history....

This yr he was ordinary. He is so beloved cuz of the ravens not scoring enough TDs. While hour doing up those numbers how did Tuck do this yr as opposed to rest of the kickers?? If you take a small sample I have heard that about over a dozen kickers. Tuck is decent this yr but there are other very skilled kickers if the ravens look.

[usmccharles]

This yr he was ordinary. He is so beloved cuz of the ravens not scoring enough TDs. While hour doing up those numbers how did Tuck do this yr as opposed to rest of the kickers?? If you take a small sample I have heard that about over a dozen kickers. Tuck is decent this yr but there are other very skilled kickers if the ravens look.

Yes he was average this year, out of his small sample size this was his worst year of his career, at the end of the season last year he set numerous records and was a top kicker each of the first 3 years.  So if numbers tell us anything (ive certainly laid out enough with my boredom), this year was an anomoly

[Tru11]

I dont know, it looks like he had a decent amount of time, obviously could have been more...

 

 

WARNING: what you are about to see is very disturbing and shouldnt be watched by children, please be advised

 

 

 

meh he was at the spot of the ball with 10 seconds left and everyone was set with like 2-3 seconds left.

 

ball was snapped with 1 second left.

 

they where running onto the field with 15 seconds left.

 

there where also only 15 seconds left of play time and we had 1 TO.

 

im still wondering why did we safe the TO for......

[usmccharles]

meh he was at the spot of the ball with 10 seconds left and everyone was set with like 2-3 seconds left.

 

ball was snapped with 1 second left.

 

they where running onto the field with 15 seconds left.

 

there where also only 15 seconds left of play time and we had 1 TO.

 

im still wondering why did we safe the TO for......

Ya got me there...

[January J]

If this season is what tucker really is then he is nothing special really. And very replaceable. Besides I would prefer to keep the money scoring TDs. The more TDs scored the more irrelevant kicks become. If he can not be counted on to kick from 50+ he is closer to ordinary than great. Crunch the numbers this year and I bet tucker is middle of the pack. And like i said good kickers can be found. If a Kicker continues to work he is actually better couple yrs after graduation. I know a kicker who is really good.

As for KO the numbers do not tell all!! What do you think it did to the confidence and psyche of the patsies when their rock (Wilfork) was being manhandled and beaten up and mauled and left the game several times to get a break from his @$$kicking he was getting from that destroyer known as KO?? Same with SF in the Superbowl when KO roughened up Justin Smith.

. So with tucker were supposed to crunch the numbers but with KO the numbers do not tell all. If good kickers are so easy to find why have so many teams struggled with them this year? Shoot you had Pittsburgh going through 3 or 4 kickers before they finally got one to stick, look at all the missed extra points and missed field goals with the game on the line around the league. Tucker struggled from 50+ this year but the numbers don't tell all with him either. Most of his misses were in heavy wind conditions , in the rain, or when the field literally gave way from underneath him. I think esp with extra points being moved back and him being so automatic inside of 40 he's got to be retained. And when the games on the line he is money, just doesn't get nervous and has ice in his veins. When the games on the line for KO...wait, he's not even in the game.

[Gordo52]

I think Tucker & KO have a good chance to return, but I don't want Upshaw back at all. Yeah, people will say he's maligned like others before him such as Oher. To be honest, I just don't like him. I don't want him here. I want him out of Baltimore & off of this team. There's not much at all I like about Upshaw. I was actually one of the people who hoped he would prove us wrong this year and show some improvement, but he is who he is. He has never actually gotten any better after college. He has essentially stayed the same and has perhaps even regressed some, IMO.

The game is over & he needs to go. He's too slow & he's a big part of the problem of this team.

Damn, man!! Lol

I agree though. Don't wanna see us try & bring him back. Disappointing stint to say the least... Forever grateful for that forced fumble in the SB, though.

I think Tucker's a lock. Hope we do everything to extend KO.

Edited January 11, 2016 by Gordo52

[Tank 92]

Billy Cundiff?  There's a reason he's been cut by 13 teams(twice by the brownies). 

 

As has been mentioned in other threads, Tucker's stock may have dipped slightly because of his issues over 50 this year. That doesn't change what he has shown and I'm sure if you asked the Ravens' FO they would say the same. The fact is he has proven to be money when the game is on the line.

 

Tucker is far from what any reasonable observer would call "average" or "ordinary". He will get paid and is going nowhere.

Edited January 11, 2016 by Tank 92

[Wildabeast88]

This yr he was ordinary. He is so beloved cuz of the ravens not scoring enough TDs. While hour doing up those numbers how did Tuck do this yr as opposed to rest of the kickers?? If you take a small sample I have heard that about over a dozen kickers. Tuck is decent this yr but there are other very skilled kickers if the ravens look.

let me preface this with I want both KO and Tucker back but only 5 kickers were perfect on XPs this year Tucker was 1 of them 32 of 40 were perfect from 20-29 yards 27 were perfect from 30-39 Tucker fits in both categories. Only 4 were perfect from 40-49 and 9 had 1 miss Tucker had 1 and that was the turf monster at San Fran yes he struggled from 50+ I get that but also think about the touchback percentage where Tucker is near the top of the list which helps the Defense on starting field position also of our 5 wins how many were Tucker FGs 2 Pittsburgh game and the San Diego game so without Tucker we would have been the worst team in the league Edited January 11, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[redlobster]

Hopefully with Tuckers less than amazing year, he comes a little cheaper then he would have otherwise.  

 

I see two options with Tucker:

 

Sign him (whether by franchise then long-term) or just a Long Term Contract

 

Or

 

Draft somebody like Roberto Aguayo in the 4th

 

 

Or hope you get lucky and find another pro-bowl clutch kicker as an UDFA

 

 

My thing is lets not forget all the game winners he has produced, I especially think back to the game winner in Denver. It was very cold, it was a long kick, and he was a rookie under immense pressure and he delivered.

Edited January 11, 2016 by redlobster

[Purple_City39]

I get that people WANT Osemele to return, I do too.  What confuses me is that the people that felt we couldn't afford two top guard contracts somehow expect one top guard contract and one LT contract (Osemele wouldn't be cheap) and another LT contract with a lot of dead money or a lot of cap space for a guy on the bench.

 

Even if KO is re-signed a LG and made into the backup LT, I don't see how the team can afford 3 top end o-lineman contracts with with the cap space it currently has.  Remember Ozzie and company also look a year ahead, where more high dollar contracts take another jump up since we backload everything

[GrimCoconut]

I get that people WANT Osemele to return, I do too. What confuses me is that the people that felt we couldn't afford two top guard contracts somehow expect one top guard contract and one LT contract (Osemele wouldn't be cheap) and another LT contract with a lot of dead money or a lot of cap space for a guy on the bench.

Even if KO is re-signed a LG and made into the backup LT, I don't see how the team can afford 3 top end o-lineman contracts with with the cap space it currently has. Remember Ozzie and company also look a year ahead, where more high dollar contracts take another jump up since we backload everything

Because cutting Pitta and Monroe frees up future cap space allocated for their spots, which can then go to Tucker and KO. Pitta is expendable due to his injury combined with three TE on the roster signed to cheap rookie deals. Gillmore is the most experienced and he's entering his third year. That gives us another two years for a cheap TE. The 80/20 rule means Pitta likely sees his end.

Cutting Monroe then saves his future cap allocations, which means we can keep KO if it means he can play LT. We have no negative cap by cutting Monroe or Pitta this year. Monroe saves us 2.1M & Pitta saves 600k if they're both cut before June 1 without the designation. Since we backload deals, we can afford KO by making him cheap this year. Monroe and Pitta won't affect our 2017 cap space unless they're designated as cut after June 1.

Edited January 11, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Purple_City39]

Because cutting Pitta and Monroe frees up future cap space allocated for their spots, which can then go to Tucker and KO. Pitta is expendable due to his injury combined with three TE on the roster signed to cheap rookie deals. Gillmore is the most experienced and he's entering his third year. That gives us another two years for a cheap TE. The 80/20 rule means Pitta likely sees his end.

Cutting Monroe then saves his future cap allocations, which means we can keep KO if it means he can play LT. We have no negative cap by cutting Monroe or Pitta this year. Monroe saves us 2.1M & Pitta saves 600k if they're both cut before June 1 without the designation. Since we backload deals, we can afford KO by making him cheap this year. Monroe and Pitta won't affect our 2017 cap space unless they're designated as cut after June 1.

Oh I fully get that.  But you still have to wonder if the Ravens even have that money to sign a player like KO.  Osemele has let it be known he's not taking the home town discount, he wants top dollar.  You cut Monroe to save that money and Osemele has you bent over the barrel because it would be obvious you're trying to sign him to be the LT, aka the most expensive o-line position.  If we couldn't afford to pay him at LG we can't afford to pay him at LT.  Then you factor in that he'd receive a high dollar contract.  That means you LT position is eatin Monroe's 6.6M dead cap hit as well as whatever KO would have as a first year cap hit.

 

In addition to that, you have to remember how much of a cap hit it'll be for a player at the #6 spot.  Last years #6 Leonard Williams, was a $4.2M cap hit as a rookie.  That'll be about where the Ravens #6 draft pick will be as a cap hit also.  The early draft slot will likely tack on another 4-5M in cap space needed than what the team needed in 2015 at #26.  If Tucker and the Ravens can't reach a deal (he won't be allowed to leave), that'll be almost 10M in cap space between him and the first round choice alone.

 

Baltimore simply isn't sitting on enough money to afford KO.  With Webb moving to FS, Shareece Wright is a must re-sign as only he and Jimmy would be even remotely proven.  And I'm factoring in that they actually do a restructure with Joe.  But considering they haven't even started negotiations, they may just let him play out 2016, which I wouldn't blame them honestly.  At that point KO is nothing more than a pipe dream.

 

Aiken will be tendered for another 2.4M or so.  I'm also almost positive we'll be taking the cap hit for a few performance escalators next season for milestones reached this year.  Schaub's 1M is known, but I think Juice, B.Williams, and Wagner had them also and will probably add at least another million.

 

I guess it's possible but it's an extremely long shot that Osemele stays here.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not quoting that entire post above out of etiquette for others but we won't cut Monroe until we've re-signed KO. That would be really shortsighted and foolish.

I just haven't read a strong argument yet that convinced me it's unlikely we re-sign KO. If you're going to argue it I'll listen. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong or conceding. I just don't see anything that convinces me it's not likely, which is different than possible.

I know about the cap hit of the high first round pick. I understand it'll cost much more than we've paid before. I just don't think it'll stop us from re-signing KO. We've got a history of making these things work. Cutting Lewis, Canty and others are likely moves we'll explore, some obvious and some not, to loosen the cap noose.

[Winchester]

. So with tucker were supposed to crunch the numbers but with KO the numbers do not tell all. If good kickers are so easy to find why have so many teams struggled with them this year? Shoot you had Pittsburgh going through 3 or 4 kickers before they finally got one to stick, look at all the missed extra points and missed field goals with the game on the line around the league. Tucker struggled from 50+ this year but the numbers don't tell all with him either. Most of his misses were in heavy wind conditions , in the rain, or when the field literally gave way from underneath him. I think esp with extra points being moved back and him being so automatic inside of 40 he's got to be retained. And when the games on the line he is money, just doesn't get nervous and has ice in his veins. When the games on the line for KO...wait, he's not even in the game.

Stats only tell if an oline player makes the block. It does not tell vince Wilfork was terrified of KO!! Correct KO is not in the game during fgs. He is a tone setter for a dominating offense once ravens get some playmakers. He strikes fear in defenses and takes their confidence when he destroys the toughest player on defense. Now he is protecting Joe Cools backside!! Ice in his veins?? How many did he miss in the last playoff appearance?? Tucker is a good kicker but there is better!! Would prefer finding a kicker than a left tackle. Would prefer a franchise left tackle or guard for that matter over franchise kicker. If Tucker walks the ravens will find a good kicker.

[The Raven]

. So with tucker were supposed to crunch the numbers but with KO the numbers do not tell all. If good kickers are so easy to find why have so many teams struggled with them this year? Shoot you had Pittsburgh going through 3 or 4 kickers before they finally got one to stick, look at all the missed extra points and missed field goals with the game on the line around the league. Tucker struggled from 50+ this year but the numbers don't tell all with him either. Most of his misses were in heavy wind conditions , in the rain, or when the field literally gave way from underneath him. I think esp with extra points being moved back and him being so automatic inside of 40 he's got to be retained. And when the games on the line he is money, just doesn't get nervous and has ice in his veins. When the games on the line for KO...wait, he's not even in the game.[/qusome

Stats only tell if an oline player makes the block. It does not tell vince Wilfork was terrified of KO!! Correct KO is not in the game during fgs. He is a tone setter for a dominating offense once ravens get some playmakers. He strikes fear in defenses and takes their confidence when he destroys the toughest player on defense. Now he is protecting Joe Cools backside!! Ice in his veins?? How many did he miss in the last playoff appearance?? Tucker is a good kicker but there is better!! Would prefer finding a kicker than a left tackle. Would prefer a franchise left tackle or guard for that matter over franchise kicker. If Tucker walks the ravens will find a good kicker.

 

Tucker is one of TEN kickers who didn't miss an extra point, and five of those kickers had fewer than 20 XP attempts. Only FIVE kickers with more than 20 extra point attempts made all of them. We're re-signing him. Frankly, there jut aren't a lot of good kickers right now, and Tucker is among the best that there are. Sure, he completed a 23rd best 33/40 field goals, but six of those misses were 50+. Your never-ending rants about Tucker are just annoying and senseless. End your tirade.

[GrimCoconut]

Stats only tell if an oline player makes the block. It does not tell vince Wilfork was terrified of KO!! Correct KO is not in the game during fgs. He is a tone setter for a dominating offense once ravens get some playmakers. He strikes fear in defenses and takes their confidence when he destroys the toughest player on defense. Now he is protecting Joe Cools backside!! Ice in his veins?? How many did he miss in the last playoff appearance?? Tucker is a good kicker but there is better!! Would prefer finding a kicker than a left tackle. Would prefer a franchise left tackle or guard for that matter over franchise kicker. If Tucker walks the ravens will find a good kicker.

I think we need to bring back both. We really do need a clutch kicker & while Tucker misses a fair share of them, he has been clutch for us. He gets those FG at the end of a game to win the game with the game on the line. I don't think he'll get that break-the-bank contract a lot of people think he will. I think he'll get paid top-10 kicker money, which is roughly $3M annually as an average. Even if he gets $3.5M, that's still affordable. I don't think it'll prevent us from re-signing KO.

[terrynjulia03]

I think the Vikings would agree on the importance of having a good kicker. Lol

[K-Dog]

FWIW.

Cundiff is still kicking in the NFL.

That should tell you something about the talent pool to pick from.

[edthehead]

I still find it laughable people saying tucker should be gone.... He misses a couple 50+ yarders and everyone hates on him. Cundiff missed a 32 yarder for a potential superbowl spot, just think about that

I do not want to see him gone and I am a huge fan.

BUT, that kid at FSU Aguayo, do you spend a couple million when you are up against the cap, or do you hold him and draft that kicker  in the 3/4 round and save the money.

remember this is a business.  

[GrimCoconut]

I do not want to see him gone and I am a huge fan.

BUT, that kid at FSU Aguayo, do you spend a couple million when you are up against the cap, or do you hold him and draft that kicker in the 3/4 round and save the money.

remember this is a business.

I've wondered this myself but I think the Ravens play it safe. You never know if you can get him in the fourth and do you really want to spend a third round pick on a kicker? Think about who you'd be trading for the kicker: Williams, Gillmore, Yanda, Webb are all third round picks; Juszczyk, Za'Darius Smith, Allen are fourth round picks; Wagner, Jones, McPhee and Urschel are fifth round picks; Jensen a sixth. Edited January 11, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[January J]

I do not want to see him gone and I am a huge fan.

BUT, that kid at FSU Aguayo, do you spend a couple million when you are up against the cap, or do you hold him and draft that kicker  in the 3/4 round and save the money.

remember this is a business.

smarter to draft at positions that tend to cost more money. Saves you money in the long run...and kicker isn't one of those positions. Retain your players or go with FA with positions that tend to cost less and draft at positions that tend to demand more money so you have those players for the next 4-5 years for cheap. Not a bad formula.

[edthehead]

I've wondered this myself but I think the Ravens play it safe. You never know if you can get him in the fourth and do you really want to spend a third round pick on a kicker? Think about who you'd be trading for the kicker: Williams, Gillmore, Yanda, Webb are all third round picks; Juszczyk, Za'Darius Smith, Allen are fourth round picks; Wagner, Jones, McPhee and Urschel are fifth round picks; Jensen a sixth.

I had to go back and look at the history of kickers, only 1 in the 1st, (al davis) there was a couple in the 2nd/3rd, but the majority in the 5th,6th and 7th, but those was in fact average kickers this kid out of FSU is good,really good. I think he will go in the 3rd.

Now based off what you said, would I trade him for any of those players, then the answer is no,

follow me now,

the ravens draft really well in later rounds . I think this is probably one of the most important drafts we have had in a while,  while all are very important this year we need to hit more than miss. I do think we trade back and accumulate picks and then maneuver around a lot. I think this year we will attack key position (due to moving around) not so much as our famous BPA 

[jboy19]

I think K.O. gets left tackle money when he tests free agency, it wasn't too long ago that the Buccaneers gave Anthony Collins left tackle money after only a handful of starts there, he sucked and is out of the league, but its definitely a mistake that desperate teams seem willing to repeat. 

[usmccharles]

I do not want to see him gone and I am a huge fan.

BUT, that kid at FSU Aguayo, do you spend a couple million when you are up against the cap, or do you hold him and draft that kicker in the 3/4 round and save the money.

remember this is a business.

I also think it shows a lack of loyalty from the FO. If we are willing to part ways with someone who had been at the top of their position because we don't want to pay them a whopping 3-4 mill, what does that say about regarding players who play well for us? It's not the same as Mcphee or the others that cost 8+mill a year. And using a 4th round pick on a kicker when we have so many holes is just not Smart. What did tucker make this year, like 2mill? So we pay another 2mill... Done.

[edthehead]

smarter to draft at positions that tend to cost more money. Saves you money in the long run...and kicker isn't one of those positions. Retain your players or go with FA with positions that tend to cost less and draft at positions that tend to demand more money so you have those players for the next 4-5 years for cheap. Not a bad formula.

 

 

I also think it shows a lack of loyalty from the FO. If we are willing to part ways with someone who had been at the top of their position because we don't want to pay them a whopping 3-4 mill, what does that say about regarding players who play well for us? It's not the same as Mcphee or the others that cost 8+mill a year. And using a 4th round pick on a kicker when we have so many holes is just not Smart. What did tucker make this year, like 2mill? So we pay another 2mill... Done.

was I just converted did you 2 just change my mind,

well put gentlemen,there is logic in both of your response. 

I am still going to FSU though. lol. thanks