Realisticly What do you think happens to Tucker, K.O. and Upshaw this off season?

[jazz1988]

Let's revisit and bookmark this statement. Yanda is great but he is 32. How many 35 yr old guards around the NFL?? Name an elite guard in the pro bowl at 33 yrs old. Even Hutchinson Faneca and Allen were cut by 33. Big guys like that lose their athleticism faster.

 

Evan Mathis is still playing at a high level and he's 34. K.O  a great player but he's no where near consistent as Yanda especially with health. I think it was  understandable for The Ravens to sign Yanda over K.O and if the contract negotiations between K.O and The Ravens were getting difficult then it  makes even more reasonable. Yanda currently is 31 years old and won't be 32 until september 15th.

[Winchester]

Sure, you can attempt to, but what if KO doesn't want to sign?  What if KO does want to see his worth on the open market before choosing?  It's not as simple as just signing a guy.

Same could be said of tucker. But everybody says get him signed. If KO was offered a generous contract he would sign it. 4 yrs 32-35mil or 5 yrs $40mil with a nice bonus would keep the ravens top free agent off the market. Before going off reputation and saying Yanda is better than KO. Then watch the last couple games. KO is equally as important as Yanda especially considering age and who is the anchor in next year's playoffs. Because if ravens add playmakers and the defense is even pretty good and the Oline is intact and even perhaps adding Tunsil or Stanley then the ravens are very legit Superbowl contenders!! The OLine is the biggest strength. If Campanaro is playing and Perriman returns and contributes and a legit #1 is added.... Think about it what team in the AFC could beat the ravens for sure?? With playmakers and Joe Cool the ravens have a 14 point lead at halftime vs bungals.

[GrimCoconut]

This sorta has to do with the topic, but I was thinking today...does anyone think we messed up signing Dumervil? Not to take anything away from him because he's a good player, but he's more of a complementary piece and not a true game-changer. I think this year proved he can't be the #1 guy. What I mean when I say if we made a mistake is that we had McPhee and he obviously turned out pretty nice. Now, I think 2013 was his first year at OLB? We signed Dumervil the same year. Anyone think perhaps we should've kept McPhee over Dumervil, since McPhee proved this year he can function outside the shadow cast by Suggs? 

 

I just sit here imagining what could've been with this team if we had McPhee here across from Suggs instead of Dumervil. 

[rmw10]

Same could be said of tucker. But everybody says get him signed. If KO was offered a generous contract he would sign it. 4 yrs 32-35mil or 5 yrs $40mil with a nice bonus would keep the ravens top free agent off the market. Before going off reputation and saying Yanda is better than KO. Then watch the last couple games. KO is equally as important as Yanda especially considering age and who is the anchor in next year's playoffs. Because if ravens add playmakers and the defense is even pretty good and the Oline is intact and even perhaps adding Tunsil or Stanley then the ravens are very legit Superbowl contenders!! The OLine is the biggest strength. If Campanaro is playing and Perriman returns and contributes and a legit #1 is added.... Think about it what team in the AFC could beat the ravens for sure?? With playmakers and Joe Cool the ravens have a 14 point lead at halftime vs bungals.

 

Which is exactly why we aren't going to wait to get one guy done until we touch the others.  We'll have plans on what we're willing to pay and how it fits into the cap for each player that we'd realistically like to keep.  We aren't going to overextend ourselves and then have no room to sign a guy that we want.  If Tucker signs first, that doesn't mean there's not going to be room for KO.  It will be planned out.

[Winchester]

Evan Mathis is still playing at a high level and he's 34. K.O  a great player but he's no where near consistent as Yanda especially with health. I think it was  understandable for The Ravens to sign Yanda over K.O and if the contract negotiations between K.O and The Ravens were getting difficult then it  makes even more reasonable. Yanda currently is 31 years old and won't be 32 until september 15th.

That is what I mean 32 next year. And Mathis is not the best like Yanda and KO!! Yanda has higher standards to sustain. Jensen is another really good one!! Watch him play Atkins and Tuitt. One particular play he locked horns with Tuitt, maybe 10 interior Oline players in the NFL could of performed what Jensen did.

[rmw10]

This sorta has to do with the topic, but I was thinking today...does anyone think we messed up signing Dumervil? Not to take anything away from him because he's a good player, but he's more of a complementary piece and not a true game-changer. I think this year proved he can't be the #1 guy. What I mean when I say if we made a mistake is that we had McPhee and he obviously turned out pretty nice. Now, I think 2013 was his first year at OLB? We signed Dumervil the same year. Anyone think perhaps we should've kept McPhee over Dumervil, since McPhee proved this year he can function outside the shadow cast by Suggs? 

 

I just sit here imagining what could've been with this team if we had McPhee here across from Suggs instead of Dumervil. 

 

I don't.  Hindsight is 20/20.  When we signed Dumervil, McPhee was coming off of a 1.5 sack season, banged up, and making the switch to OLB.  I don't think there was any way to predict he'd have that much success at OLB.

[jazz1988]

This sorta has to do with the topic, but I was thinking today...does anyone think we messed up signing Dumervil? Not to take anything away from him because he's a good player, but he's more of a complementary piece and not a true game-changer. I think this year proved he can't be the #1 guy. What I mean when I say if we made a mistake is that we had McPhee and he obviously turned out pretty nice. Now, I think 2013 was his first year at OLB? We signed Dumervil the same year. Anyone think perhaps we should've kept McPhee over Dumervil, since McPhee proved this year he can function outside the shadow cast by Suggs? 

 

I just sit here imagining what could've been with this team if we had McPhee here across from Suggs instead of Dumervil. 

 

 

In the end you still would have just  one pass rusher until Zadarius Smith had turned it up later on in the season.Mcphee also seem to be limited from his knee injury in which he had trouble with through out training camp and he also had the same issue back in 2012 to my understanding. 

 

 

Overall it would be Doom all over again but just younger whoms getting double teamed and limited by injuries.

Edited January 10, 2016 by jazz1988

[GrimCoconut]

I don't.  Hindsight is 20/20.  When we signed Dumervil, McPhee was coming off of a 1.5 sack season, banged up, and making the switch to OLB.  I don't think there was any way to predict he'd have that much success at OLB.

Yeah, I don't think so either. I was just wondering what others thought. It came to me earlier when I looked at how McPhee had done. I know I was even concerned about re-signing McPhee due to his knees, although I never really doubted his ability to rush the passer. 

[rmw10]

Yeah, I don't think so either. I was just wondering what others thought. It came to me earlier when I looked at how McPhee had done. I know I was even concerned about re-signing McPhee due to his knees, although I never really doubted his ability to rush the passer. 

 

Yeah I think we all would have loved to have had McPhee back, but it just wasn't in the cards with how things had played out.  He had the opportunity to go be a full time player and he's really taken advantage of it.

[Winchester]

This sorta has to do with the topic, but I was thinking today...does anyone think we messed up signing Dumervil? Not to take anything away from him because he's a good player, but he's more of a complementary piece and not a true game-changer. I think this year proved he can't be the #1 guy. What I mean when I say if we made a mistake is that we had McPhee and he obviously turned out pretty nice. Now, I think 2013 was his first year at OLB? We signed Dumervil the same year. Anyone think perhaps we should've kept McPhee over Dumervil, since McPhee proved this year he can function outside the shadow cast by Suggs? 

 

I just sit here imagining what could've been with this team if we had McPhee here across from Suggs instead of Dumervil.

I didn't follow Mcphee this yr much. Give some details please!! Thanx. BTW I do not like the structure of Dumervils contract. If ravens traded up for Jones like many advised, Dumervil may not of been signed as well. Jones not available is primary reason ravens traded down. But overlooked Harrison Smith. If he reboots for olb position Zadarius could be better than Dumervil next year. I like idea trading for Mingo and him taking the Harbaugh offseason challenge and bulk up to 255 lbs or more of all muscle and he could be a terror. He and Zadarius could form a nice tandem.

[jazz1988]

That is what I mean 32 next year. And Mathis is not the best like Yanda and KO!! Yanda has higher standards to sustain. Jensen is another really good one!! Watch him play Atkins and Tuitt. One particular play he locked horns with Tuitt, maybe 10 interior Oline players in the NFL could of performed what Jensen did.

 

Well if Jensen continues to play well then The Ravens may have their answer for K.O replacement if he is indeed not bought back.

Edited January 10, 2016 by jazz1988

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

This sorta has to do with the topic, but I was thinking today...does anyone think we messed up signing Dumervil? Not to take anything away from him because he's a good player, but he's more of a complementary piece and not a true game-changer. I think this year proved he can't be the #1 guy. What I mean when I say if we made a mistake is that we had McPhee and he obviously turned out pretty nice. Now, I think 2013 was his first year at OLB? We signed Dumervil the same year. Anyone think perhaps we should've kept McPhee over Dumervil, since McPhee proved this year he can function outside the shadow cast by Suggs? 

 

I just sit here imagining what could've been with this team if we had McPhee here across from Suggs instead of Dumervil. 

No I think Dumervil still has gas in the tank but he needs someone else who can rush the passer on the other side like Suggs. Together they were great because Suggs allowed Doom to get to the QB but when Sizzle got hurt teams were locking in on Doom and made it a lot harder for him. I think when Oz said we need more pass rushers he was right however Za'Darrius Smith looked good at times and so did Guy but teams were still targeting Doom. With Suggs in there the opposing team had to pick their poison on who to try and block Sizzle or Doom..

[GrimCoconut]

I didn't follow Mcphee this yr much. Give some details please!! Thanx. BTW I do not like the structure of Dumervils contract. If ravens traded up for Jones like many advised, Dumervil may not of been signed as well. Jones not available is primary reason ravens traded down. But overlooked Harrison Smith. If he reboots for olb position Zadarius could be better than Dumervil next year. I like idea trading for Mingo and him taking the Harbaugh offseason challenge and bulk up to 255 lbs or more of all muscle and he could be a terror. He and Zadarius could form a nice tandem.

I don't see the team trading for Mingo because I don't even know if he's on the block. The Browns may cut Kruger before trading Mingo to a divisional rival. Chandler Jones would've been great. I wish we traded up for him but hindsight and all. 

 

I just think the Upshaw pick kinda messed the team up. I don't want to rag on the guy, because he has made some nice plays, but he has never lived up to his position. He plays the role of a 4th round pick. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I want K.O. back but I just  know it is going to cost some serious $.

[The Raven]

This sorta has to do with the topic, but I was thinking today...does anyone think we messed up signing Dumervil? Not to take anything away from him because he's a good player, but he's more of a complementary piece and not a true game-changer. I think this year proved he can't be the #1 guy. What I mean when I say if we made a mistake is that we had McPhee and he obviously turned out pretty nice. Now, I think 2013 was his first year at OLB? We signed Dumervil the same year. Anyone think perhaps we should've kept McPhee over Dumervil, since McPhee proved this year he can function outside the shadow cast by Suggs? 

 

I just sit here imagining what could've been with this team if we had McPhee here across from Suggs instead of Dumervil. 

 

As if I couldn't be more depressed about the season. In hindsight, I think you're right. But really, signing Dumervil was a great move, and I don't think we could have afforded to cut Doom to sign McPhee long term last offseason. Not saying you said that, just kinda looking at the whole situation.

 

I wish we had McPhee over Dumervil, but I can't be mad at the decisions as they were made in real time.

[January J]

Obviously I was not referring to Tucker as one of the losers. But you are probably one of the homers that would prefer Tucker( the hometown hero built up by media recognition) back before the most overpowering guard in the league.

it's not about not wanting him back dude. In a perfect world ofcourse I would like him back . Unfortunately there's this thing called the salary cap that you choose to ignore. Your right I would absolutely prefer Tucker..Tucker is not about to break the bank..he has played every single game for us as opposed to KO who has had back issues and missed several games over the last few years. KO can be replaced...And I'd much rather keep tuck and draft a guy like stanley. Pay KO top LT money and handcuff ourselves in FA or draft a top tier LT and have him for the next 4-5 years for peanuts? Yeah il take the latter. And I'm not cool with gettin rid of the most accurate kicker in nfl history in order to do so and having to go into the season with another cundiff. How many games did Tucker win for us this year? Almost the same amount that KO sat out. I rest my case. If thats being a homer then so be it. Edited January 10, 2016 by January J

[Maryland]

Extend Tucker or franchise him if necessary.

Try to re-sign KO, but he signs elsewhere because other teams have more cap space.

Let Upshaw walk. Pees still puts him in coverage situations for some reason, so if he's going to require that of his OLBs then he had better look elsewhere. Maybe re-sign him if absolutely no one wants him; he's still one of the best edge-setters in the NFL. 

[Winchester]

Well if Jensen continues to play well then The Ravens may have their answer for K.O replacement if he is indeed not bought back.

Yeah but left tackle?? A couple peeps including myself looked at KO's play since his rookie. Well my uncle and his friends looked at his college clips but I only looked at NFL play as I was busy with stuff as well. I talked on messenger with'em all bout an hour ago. We all agree KO is going to be a very good to pro bowl tackle. First Credit to coaches for teaching him footwork,balance, hand placement, patience,more controlled aggression. And props to KO for his work ethic because he has become more athletic and leaner since his rookie year. While slightly increasing his strength while going from 340lbs to about 330 lbs. At tackle as a rookie he coasted on raw power,aggression, athleticism with some natural balance. And of course very long arms and big strong bobcat hands. As a rookie he got away with raw talent at guard but it hurt him at tackle sometimes. He demolished Wilfork and Justin Smith. More than I thought. I knew Wilfork left the game couple times because KO mauled him like a child!! But you have to go watch it for yourself because I did not realize how completely he beat up Wilfork and Smith. However his footwork and hand placement leading to bad balance at times got him in trouble on the edge at tackle. However recently he is a far more refined player than he was as a rookie. yet can be more refined. He is leaner and more athletic as well. Far less waste bending yet plays balanced even when he does waste bend. He is not an elite athletes for left tackle but he is one of the more athletic left tackles. However his power and strong hands erases most players as soon as he locks up. Freakish strong with freakish strong hands. Combined With his length, athleticism, and improving technique and balance in my humble opinion he is a fine left tackle. Can handle speed rushers as well as maul and overpower unusually well for a left tackle. And will only get better as he gets a feel for the position. Many guards in the NFL are 6'5 1/2 330 lbs. However no other guard is 330lbs and that lean which kinda suggests tackle. As much as I like him to finally get recognized as an all pro guard next year it was pointed out to me when he has that much potential at left tackle it is where he likely to play.

[Winchester]

it's not about not wanting him back dude. In a perfect world ofcourse I would like him back . Unfortunately there's this thing called the salary cap that you choose to ignore. Your right I would absolutely prefer Tucker..Tucker is not about to break the bank..he has played every single game for us as opposed to KO who has had back issues and missed several games over the last few years. KO can be replaced...And I'd much rather keep tuck and draft a guy like stanley. Pay KO top LT money and handcuff ourselves in FA or draft a top tier LT and have him for the next 4-5 years for peanuts? Yeah il take the latter. And I'm not cool with gettin rid of the most accurate kicker in nfl history in order to do so and having to go into the season with another cundiff. How many games did Tucker win for us this year? Almost the same amount that KO sat out. I rest my case. If thats being a homer then so be it.

Stats can say whatever somebody wants. Tucker was nothing special this year. How many of those kicks would most or all kickers of made as well?? If that is winning a game.lol, If ravens put an elite offense together it will not come down to a kicker. Not much is needed to make fans fall in love with a player. I bring it up because there are fans that argue juice is more valuable to the team than KO. Like i said KO just has not got the love from the media and hyped as a hometown hero yet like tucker and juice. Anyways have to be up in 4 hours. Like you said perhaps KO and JT return.

[rmw10]

Stats can say whatever somebody wants. Tucker was nothing special this year. How many of those kicks would most or all kickers of made as well?? If that is winning a game.lol, If ravens put an elite offense together it will not come down to a kicker. Not much is needed to make fans fall in love with a player. I bring it up because there are fans that argue juice is more valuable to the team than KO. Like i said KO just has not got the love from the media and hyped as a hometown hero yet like tucker and juice. Anyways have to be up in 4 hours. Like you said perhaps KO and JT return.

 

When has anyone ever said that Juice is more valuable than KO?  If there's any proof of this, I'd love to see it.  I think it's clear that you're just making stuff up now.

[SpencerH555227]

I really hope we keep upshaw. He was one of the bright spots in our run D the last 8 games. Without him I think the run D wouldve collapsed. Id love for him to be the next Jarret Johnson for the franchise

[SpencerH555227]

I get what your saying and personally I think McPhee is a better player than dumervil but dumervils contract isn't a featured #1 passrusher contract. He's paid to be a #2 on our defence and his play equals his contract imo

[SpencerH555227]

Id be interested to see how often Upshaw goes into coverage. I think having an Elite edge setter is worth keeping, especially if he plays less than 10% of his snaps in coverage. Mabey he got more snaps in coverage this season due to injuries? Hopefully, that's the case because pees should know his players weaknesses and great DCs put they're payers in sports there comfortable and productive in.

[Winchester]

Which is exactly why we aren't going to wait to get one guy done until we touch the others.  We'll have plans on what we're willing to pay and how it fits into the cap for each player that we'd realistically like to keep.  We aren't going to overextend ourselves and then have no room to sign a guy that we want.  If Tucker signs first, that doesn't mean there's not going to be room for KO.  It will be planned out.

Once again, it is not pick the names out of a hat. And say here is what every player should cost. And if he wants slightly more then just move on to the next guy. And sign whomever decides to sign at price. Not if you want to win a championship anyways. Obviously particular KEY players could cost slightly more than management wanted to pay. That shouldn't mean move on to the next players see what he will

Cost. To build the best offense and or win a championship is player specific. Not saying break the bank and pay $100 mil to a player like the phins did!! That is just ludicrous. But a couple million get in the way of an all pro caliber player is equally incompetent. Especially when the player is realistically likely to outplay his contract even with the extra couple $mil. If KO is a pro bowl caliber left tackle the $8-9mil a yr or $40 contract will be a bargain when a player is stepping his game up. What are the contracts looking like recently for Pro bowl left tackles??

[ludy51]

This sorta has to do with the topic, but I was thinking today...does anyone think we messed up signing Dumervil? Not to take anything away from him because he's a good player, but he's more of a complementary piece and not a true game-changer. I think this year proved he can't be the #1 guy. What I mean when I say if we made a mistake is that we had McPhee and he obviously turned out pretty nice. Now, I think 2013 was his first year at OLB? We signed Dumervil the same year. Anyone think perhaps we should've kept McPhee over Dumervil, since McPhee proved this year he can function outside the shadow cast by Suggs?

I just sit here imagining what could've been with this team if we had McPhee here across from Suggs instead of Dumervil.

I don't. I think we knew that Doom couldn't be a #1 piece but with Suggs on the other side that would be a great combo, and for the last 2 years, it was.

[rmw10]

Once again, it is not pick the names out of a hat. And say here is what every player should cost. And if he wants slightly more then just move on to the next guy. And sign whomever decides to sign at price. Not if you want to win a championship anyways. Obviously particular KEY players could cost slightly more than management wanted to pay. That shouldn't mean move on to the next players see what he will

Cost. To build the best offense and or win a championship is player specific. Not saying break the bank and pay $100 mil to a player like the phins did!! That is just ludicrous. But a couple million get in the way of an all pro caliber player is equally incompetent. Especially when the player is realistically likely to outplay his contract even with the extra couple $mil. If KO is a pro bowl caliber left tackle the $8-9mil a yr or $40 contract will be a bargain when a player is stepping his game up. What are the contracts looking like recently for Pro bowl left tackles??

 

Signing someone before KO doesn't mean that he's not a priority.  Of course it's not as simple as pick the names and sign them, but there are going to be plans.  We aren't going to go into the offseason and sign 5 guys, only to realize we spent too much and no longer have the ability to sign KO.  If we think we have a realistic chance at keeping him, they'll have a number set aside to be able to afford him, even if that means we've signed other guys before him.

[jazz1988]

Yeah but left tackle?? A couple peeps including myself looked at KO's play since his rookie. Well my uncle and his friends looked at his college clips but I only looked at NFL play as I was busy with stuff as well. I talked on messenger with'em all bout an hour ago. We all agree KO is going to be a very good to pro bowl tackle. First Credit to coaches for teaching him footwork,balance, hand placement, patience,more controlled aggression. And props to KO for his work ethic because he has become more athletic and leaner since his rookie year. While slightly increasing his strength while going from 340lbs to about 330 lbs. At tackle as a rookie he coasted on raw power,aggression, athleticism with some natural balance. And of course very long arms and big strong bobcat hands. As a rookie he got away with raw talent at guard but it hurt him at tackle sometimes. He demolished Wilfork and Justin Smith. More than I thought. I knew Wilfork left the game couple times because KO mauled him like a child!! But you have to go watch it for yourself because I did not realize how completely he beat up Wilfork and Smith. However his footwork and hand placement leading to bad balance at times got him in trouble on the edge at tackle. However recently he is a far more refined player than he was as a rookie. yet can be more refined. He is leaner and more athletic as well. Far less waste bending yet plays balanced even when he does waste bend. He is not an elite athletes for left tackle but he is one of the more athletic left tackles. However his power and strong hands erases most players as soon as he locks up. Freakish strong with freakish strong hands. Combined With his length, athleticism, and improving technique and balance in my humble opinion he is a fine left tackle. Can handle speed rushers as well as maul and overpower unusually well for a left tackle. And will only get better as he gets a feel for the position. Many guards in the NFL are 6'5 1/2 330 lbs. However no other guard is 330lbs and that lean which kinda suggests tackle. As much as I like him to finally get recognized as an all pro guard next year it was pointed out to me when he has that much potential at left tackle it is where he likely to play.

 

Hmmm you made some good points. I honestly feel like K.O a  better guard than tackle but he did look good at left tackle during those last four games or so . Monroe himself is a pretty good left tackle but his inability to stay healthy has to be worrisome for The Ravens but even K.O himself at times has trouble with staying healthy. 

 

The Ravens can either have K.O or  Monroe as their starting left tackle  next year but it won't change the fact that  they need to have a solid back up option just in case either one gets hurt and have to miss some games.

[CharmCityChampions]

so now Tucker is a loser? Get outta here man.

 

The same people saying pay KO at the risk of Tucker walking, will be the same people complaining when whatever kicker we sign/draft cant make the game winning field goal and win us the game, after letting our top 5 kicker who would have made it, walk. You cant have it all people.

[JO_75]

Considering Tucker's agent and the team has been in contract talks for a year I'm shocked he hasn't been given a new deal already. I think a deal gets done with Tucker and he gets a nice contract extension to keep him here for another 4-5 years. 

 

KO is a toss up, now that he has played Left Tackle, he will probably want to either stay at LT and command a lot of money or stay at Guard and ask for Left Tackle money. 

 

Upshaw is gone, history says unless your a star like Suggs we don't pay big money to pass rushers. We'll draft his replacement in April or sign someone in free agency for depth.

[hn68wb4]

I chose tag for Tucker, when a contract gets worked out he'll be the highest paid kicker in the NFL, but we can save some cap tagging him and negotiating longer.

 

KO, in my opinion, is the clear #1 priority here. He is one of, if not the, most versatile Olineman I've ever seen. So far he's played and excelled at 3 separate positions, including the most valuable LT. I have confidence that a deal will get done, a couple years back we thought there was no way we could keep both Pitta and Monroe but Ozzie got it done (how it worked out afterwords is irrelevant, its two guys that were likely to have a hefty payday elsewhere just like Yanda and Osemele this year, Yanda already got paid so we know what we have to get a deal done here and Ozzie can make it happen). The fact that KO is so amazingly versatile means we should really go after him, he's extremely special, especially if he is switching to LT full time.

 

Let Upshaw test the FA waters, he's been a big disappointment - I'm still mad at his bonehead play against the Steelers, Jimmy would have sealed the game on that pick 6 and Upshaw just stood offsides, how the heck does an NFL player do that? a PROFESSIONAL football player?