Realisticly What do you think happens to Tucker, K.O. and Upshaw this off season?

[gtalk12]

First and foremost, congrats on the BIG payday!!!!! I don't know about you guys but I like seeing our guys get paid. It is a business and these guys can't play forever so they need to do what's best for them and their families. Careers are much shorter in sports then us folks.

 

That being said, who do we have that will be able to fill in for him. Urshel?

 

Thoughts

[ellicottraven]

I just feel so much better now that we lost K.O! Prior to this 60MM number I really wanted him here. I expected he was worth about 8MM annually, but 12MM sorry not in Baltimore. Buh-bye K.O and good luck!

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Well I just hope Oz gets Tucker extended before next season to a long term contract.

Edited March 10, 2016 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I just feel so much better now that we lost K.O! Prior to this 60MM number I really wanted him here. I expected he was worth about 8MM annually, but 12MM sorry not in Baltimore. Buh-bye K.O and good luck!

Agreed. 

Hope we just keep Monroe now, let Urschel and Jensen compete for the job and lets get to work. Use that $8mill that was earmarked for KO and lets get another DB (I really like Walter Thurmond since he can play safety and CB, with Webb that lets us disguise coverages really well), maybe a pass rusher if we can, a WR like Wallace to be a deep threat... and lets get focused on the draft.

[Maryland]

I was getting excited the Colts would overpay Upshaw for familiarity, but they have since cooled on contract talks, which is a bit disappointing. 

Hopefully they work out a big deal  Ryan Grigson is one of the worst GMs in the league; have to hope he keeps it up by signing Upshaw to a big deal!

[usmccharles]

12 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I was getting excited the Colts would overpay Upshaw for familiarity, but they have since cooled on contract talks, which is a bit disappointing. 

Hopefully they work out a big deal  Ryan Grigson is one of the worst GMs in the league; have to hope he keeps it up by signing Upshaw to a big deal!

Why?

[Purple_City39]

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Why?

I'm guessing for the comp pick

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Well Tucker has officially received the Tag and K.O. is officially gone now and there has been no real word on Upshaw yet but Oz and the team are sure restructuring a lot of deals. I wonder what Oz has up his sleeve next? 

[757RavensFan]

43 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Well Tucker has officially received the Tag and K.O. is officially gone now and there has been no real word on Upshaw yet but Oz and the team are sure restructuring a lot of deals. I wonder what Oz has up his sleeve next? 

They still have until mid July to get a deal done w/ Tucker.  So Tucker and Brandon Williams could be their immediate plans to get contracts in the next few months. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

49 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

They still have until mid July to get a deal done w/ Tucker.  So Tucker and Brandon Williams could be their immediate plans to get contracts in the next few months. 

Very true. I do hope both those players get a long term deal done and the sooner the better.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

A couple of teams have supposedly expressed some interest in Upshaw I wonder how that's going to pan out?

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

A couple of teams have supposedly expressed some interest in Upshaw I wonder how that's going to pan out?

Unless we can get him extremely cheap I have no interest in bringing him back, I was never a fan. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Well looks like Upshaw just got signed by the Falcons.

[Mad Puppy]

Let's assume for a moment that K.O. and Courtney Upshaw give us the highest possible compensatory pick (3rd round, end of round). Does it really make sense to lose any 2nd rounder for at best a late third rounder? And realistically you almost never get a 3rd round comp pick so now we are talking late 4th for a one time starter on your team who you drafted much higher.

Seems to me the compensatory plan (stockpiling comp picks for losing 1st and 2nd rounders) is a losing proposition. I would feel better about losing 3rd and later rounders for comp picks. If you draft a guy highly and have him as a starter his whole time with the team (rookie contract) only to lose him and only receive a 4th rounder you are doing it wrong. Now you are spending an equally high selection on a position you shouldn't have to spend it on. Is this why playmakers are not being drafted early often enough?

[GrimCoconut]

16 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

Let's assume for a moment that K.O. and Courtney Upshaw give us the highest possible compensatory pick (3rd round, end of round). Does it really make sense to lose any 2nd rounder for at best a late third rounder? And realistically you almost never get a 3rd round comp pick so now we are talking late 4th for a one time starter on your team who you drafted much higher.

Seems to me the compensatory plan (stockpiling comp picks for losing 1st and 2nd rounders) is a losing proposition. I would feel better about losing 3rd and later rounders for comp picks. If you draft a guy highly and have him as a starter his whole time with the team (rookie contract) only to lose him and only receive a 4th rounder you are doing it wrong. Now you are spending an equally high selection on a position you shouldn't have to spend it on. Is this why playmakers are not being drafted early often enough?

Probably not, but McPhee and Arthur Jones got us 4th round picks so there's that. I don't think anyone wanted KO to go but it was either that or pay him a king's ransom..

[757RavensFan]

We couldn't pay $1.5M to keep Upshaw?  

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, 757RavensFan said:

We couldn't pay $1.5M to keep Upshaw?  

Plus the comp pick...

[757RavensFan]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Plus the comp pick...

Even you have stated comp picks are overrated.

Upshaw is more than likely better than any 4th or 5th rounder we may get next year.  

Granted the unknown is if the 2017 comp pick is combined w/ another pick to use for a trade, but still...  

[GrimCoconut]

This is great! Upshaw got us our 3rd round comp for KO back! Thanks for doing the team a solid, Upshaw!  That's one of the biggest plays he's ever made and it came at a critical point. 

In all seriousness, I liked how he helped the team. He was underrated in his ability to cover. I think he did a decent job covering guys. He was better at it than JJ was. I also thought he helped us a lot by setting the edge. Problem is, he plays a position to be a pass rusher and can only rush the passer if other guys are blocked in front of him. He does not get off of blocks using speed and moves to get to the QB. People love that Big Ben hit that was called a penalty, but he didn't really wow me there. He had a head full of steam running forward, untouched, right towards Big Ben and he hit him cleanly without anyone trying to stop him. That's not that impressive. That's not how you want an edge defender to rush the passer. That's more like how an ILB rushes the passer. 

Good for him, though. I think he could do well as a SAM LB in the 4-3. 

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Even you have stated comp picks are overrated.

Upshaw is more than likely better than any 4th or 5th rounder we may get next year.  

Granted the unknown is if the 2017 comp pick is combined w/ another pick to use for a trade, but still...  

Partially agree, but it is a factor.

Kind of hard to put a value on what Upshaw is worth in terms of a draft pick when he just signed for $1.5M on a one year deal.

We did take him early the 2nd round out of college, and I doubt anybody would trade our second round pick this year for Upshaw right now, so we know his value is at least lower than it was when we drafted him.

How much lower is obviously up for debate. 

[Winchester]

I stated my opinion back in January no team would want Upshaw. He would be out of football

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I stated my opinion back in January no team would want Upshaw. He would be out of football

Sounds like you were about as close with that prediction as you were guessing how much KO was worth back in January as well...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

9 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I stated my opinion back in January no team would want Upshaw. He would be out of football

So you're pointing out that you were wrong since he signed with Atlanta?

not sure what you're going for with this one. At least 3 teams wanted him... Not a lot of demand but there was still a market for his services.

[CalRavenFan]

6 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Even you have stated comp picks are overrated.

Upshaw is more than likely better than any 4th or 5th rounder we may get next year.  

Granted the unknown is if the 2017 comp pick is combined w/ another pick to use for a trade, but still...  

And if you consider that the loss of upshaw results in us getting the osemle comp pick back, I'm ok with him going to Atl. 

 We swap Upshaw and Schaub for Weddle and Watson and get a third round comp pick next year.  Win-win!!

[rmw10]

I wouldn't be surprised if we would have had more interest in retaining Upshaw if Schaub didn't happen.  I can't imagine they planned for Schaub getting a job at all,   much less a comp pick cancelling salary.  I'd guess they were content walking away with none this year, but when Upshaw became the difference between having one or not, they essentially let him walk.

[JoeyFlex5]

I liked Upshaw. He never lived up to being our top selection. He was supposed to bring some edge rush and he never did. But he set the edge as well as anyone, brought a lot of toughness and attitude, and a lot of leadership as he was a very smart player. 

I personally think he'll be missed.

[usmccharles]

Glad Upshaw got signed.  I wasn't a fan of his but I knew someone would want his services, especially at that price. 

[GrimCoconut]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I liked Upshaw. He never lived up to being our top selection. He was supposed to bring some edge rush and he never did. But he set the edge as well as anyone, brought a lot of toughness and attitude, and a lot of leadership as he was a very smart player. 

I personally think he'll be missed.

I don't believe that at all but if it's true Ozzie should be fired because you don't take a guy you think is an excellent edge setter who can't rush the passer in the early 2nd as your first pick. Especially when you look at players he passed on for Upshaw. I think Ozzie took him with the hope he'd improve. 

Honestly, I think Upshaw could be a decent pass rusher. I'm talking like 6-8 sacks a season. His problem was always weight. If you notice, he usually started the season poor and got better as the season continued. Why? Because you naturally lose weight during the season. This isn't my insight, though, and I won't take credit for it. This is what Mike Preston told me is the case. When he explained it to me like that, it really did make a lot of sense. 

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't believe that at all but if it's true Ozzie should be fired because you don't take a guy you think is an excellent edge setter who can't rush the passer in the early 2nd as your first pick. Especially when you look at players he passed on for Upshaw. I think Ozzie took him with the hope he'd improve. 

Honestly, I think Upshaw could be a decent pass rusher. I'm talking like 6-8 sacks a season. His problem was always weight. If you notice, he usually started the season poor and got better as the season continued. Why? Because you naturally lose weight during the season. This isn't my insight, though, and I won't take credit for it. This is what Mike Preston told me is the case. When he explained it to me like that, it really did make a lot of sense. 

So let me get this straight. Ozzie should be fired because his second rounder didn't develop into anything better than an "excelent edge setter"? Do you also blame Ozzie for Upshaw not developing into a 6-8 sack guy because of his weight?

cmon man

1- upshaw may not have lived to first round potential but he certainly was not a bust. A bust is a guy that can't start for whatever reason and is usually out of the NFL by year 5.

2- 40% of first rounders turn out to be busts. Give Ozzie and Deckosta some slack will ya. Combine any 5 years of drafting since the Ravens became the Ravens and statistically we have always drafted top 10.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't believe that at all but if it's true Ozzie should be fired because you don't take a guy you think is an excellent edge setter who can't rush the passer in the early 2nd as your first pick. Especially when you look at players he passed on for Upshaw. I think Ozzie took him with the hope he'd improve. 

Honestly, I think Upshaw could be a decent pass rusher. I'm talking like 6-8 sacks a season. His problem was always weight. If you notice, he usually started the season poor and got better as the season continued. Why? Because you naturally lose weight during the season. This isn't my insight, though, and I won't take credit for it. This is what Mike Preston told me is the case. When he explained it to me like that, it really did make a lot of sense. 

But i just said what you disagreed with lol. I never said Ozzie took an early 2nd OLB to set the edge. I said he never lived up to his draft status because he's an OLB who never developed as an edge rusher. 

 

That said I don't think he's a bad player at all.