Realisticly What do you think happens to Tucker, K.O. and Upshaw this off season?

[OUravensfan]

Maybe but I just don't think he's what we want on defense. He's what's wrong with the defense: slow and just doesn't make enough plays.

It seems that this is the general consensus with him. I'll always be greatful for the forced fumble he made on Michaels in the super bowl, a big hustle play. And that hit on Ben that was unfathomably called back by Ed 'thinks the show is about him' Hochuli.

Edited January 9, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Wildabeast88]

AMAZING!! FREAKING AMAZING!! Fans seem to prefer a freaking kicker to be resigned before the most devastating guard in the league!! How many sacks did he give up in 4 games at left tackle?? Goose Egg!! Zippo!! KO is the closest thing to a modern day Larry Allen as there is!! The most dominating guard since Carl nicks in his prime and Carl nicks was considered the closest thing to a modern day Larry Allen. And KO is as devastating a drive blocker as Nicks yet has enough athleticism to play left tackle and could end up a top5 left tackle!! He just has not got the recognition from the media yet. It actually took Larry Allen aboutb5 yrs to get recognition as the best. Alan Faneca got more attention and most fans thought he was the best. Yanda actually took 4 yrs or so b4 being recognized as one of the best and eventually the best. Most fans knew Yanda was good but considered round one pick Grubbs as the better guard til Yanda got the recognition he deserved. Hell, I remember telling a sf scout at a Christmas party back in 2009 that Yanda was better than Grubbs and needs to play guard full time as opposed to RT because he would become an all pro guard if he focused on that position. And that Yanda was better than Grubbs. He kinda disagreed but not completely cuz he responded " ahh I am not so sure about that, Yanda is good but I dunno bout better than Grubbs" I actually think Grubbs was always a little overrated in my humble opinion. Anyways that is homerism at its finest!! Media hyped Tucker up last yr a lot and most fans see him a kicker as a hometown fan favorite and bigger priority than the most dominant guard in the NFL!! Just as many fans would defend juice faster than KO. In my opinion KO takes over next yr as the best player on the ravens Oline and enforcer of the best OLine in the nfl!! Especially if the ravens add Tunsil. And run with Tunsil at LT and KO Urschel and Yanda as the interior triad. If not then KO at Left Tackle and Jensen Urschel Yanda at the interior is very formidable and nasty. Upshaw can walk. And it would be cool to have Tucker back but not at the expense of KO!! The most powerful mauler in the NFL and the eventual leader and anchor of the Raven OLine with Yanda 32 next year. If ravens lose him he will eventually get the recognition and it will be seem as a huge mistake. He should be the biggest priority to resign.

Its not that most fans think Tucker is better but reality is KO will command much more money where as Tucker even if franchised will be under 4.5 mil so unless we can make more cap space KO could walk. Personally I want KO back badly it is just a matter of money I view KO as option 1 and he is great as a G but possibly better as a LT

[Wildabeast88]

I think the new extra point rule this year increased the importance of the kicker position. Tucker made all of his extra points this year (I think), was pretty much automatic inside 50, but struggled outside of 50. He's still a top 3 kicker in the league. We can't afford to let him walk. His abilities would be pretty difficult to replace. We'll get a deal done somehow, whether it's the franchise tag or not. 

Whether he's top priority, it's hard to say. I love K.O, and Tucker. I just really want to keep both so it doesn't matter who the top priority is! lol

Yes the new rule made a difference 6 kickers were perfect on the year and 10 missed only 1 so half the league missed more than 1 PAT I also would love to keep both on the team as well

[redlobster]

A kicker and mediocre cornerback is priority over the most dominating guard in the NFL?? And a guard who filled in at left tackle and did so quite effectively?? The money to tucker and Wright cover KO's cap hit for first couple yrs. KO is the future anchor. Yanda will be going on 33 next year.Do some research of what age guards and oline players decline and even get cut. Hutchinson, Faneca,Allen,Pace,Adams.

Lol chill, not to mention the "most dominating " guard is not KO I would place yanda above him easily

[PurpleCity5]

Tucker Will be resigned in the near future. KO will walk. Upshaw is kind of the wild card...it all depends on what he thinks he is worth.Oz def ain't breakin the bank for him..But if he accepts a low cost short term deal I could see him staying.

I wouldn't even bother to bring back Upshaw. He does not carry the qualities of what we need in this defense, pass rushing and speed. The only thing he can really do is stop the run and he's declined in that department, not to mention his motor is crazy inconsistent, one moment he'll fly into the backfield, and the next, you hardly notice him.

[Sherly_Tebow]

Lol chill, not to mention the "most dominating " guard is not KO I would place yanda above him easily

No question, Yanda>KO = 73>72

[redlobster]

What happens to Arthur brown, I really wish he would play. Might as well cut him and let him go to a team that runs a 4-3 where he can shine

[52520Andrew]

We wither re-sign Tucker or franchise him. I think we go the franchise route and use it as a place holder while we get something worked out.

I think K.O. at leasts tests free agency. We may bring him back if we let Monroe go and restructure Flacco but I think he at least tests the market.

Upshaw I think tests the market as well. I think we add a pass rusher early in the draft and I think the only way we see Upshaw back is if it is for cheap.

[52520Andrew]

I mean, I'd think we'd take Upshaw back very, very cheap, but I think he falls victim to the 80/20 rule. We could get that production from possibly Beyer or someone else at or very near to the minimum. I'd guess it wouldn't even be terribly difficult to find an edge setter that can get a sack here and there either. Even though he wasn't used as a pass rusher primarily, 5 sacks in 4 years is pretty terrible.

Pretty much my thoughts. I think Upshaw has a role on another team but I don't see the fit here anymore.

[The Raven]

Upshaw might've been a Pro Bowl player 20 years ago. Too bad you have to be athletic on today's NFL. You need pass rushers on the edge and he just can't do that. I think Zadarius had as many sacks in a single game as Upshaw has in his career - and Zadarius is still able to stop the run.

[cobrajet]

AMAZING!! FREAKING AMAZING!! Fans seem to prefer a freaking kicker to be resigned before the most devastating guard in the league!! How many sacks did he give up in 4 games at left tackle?? Goose Egg!! Zippo!! KO is the closest thing to a modern day Larry Allen as there is!! The most dominating guard since Carl nicks in his prime and Carl nicks was considered the closest thing to a modern day Larry Allen. And KO is as devastating a drive blocker as Nicks yet has enough athleticism to play left tackle and could end up a top5 left tackle!! He just has not got the recognition from the media yet. It actually took Larry Allen aboutb5 yrs to get recognition as the best. Alan Faneca got more attention and most fans thought he was the best. Yanda actually took 4 yrs or so b4 being recognized as one of the best and eventually the best. Most fans knew Yanda was good but considered round one pick Grubbs as the better guard til Yanda got the recognition he deserved. Hell, I remember telling a sf scout at a Christmas party back in 2009 that Yanda was better than Grubbs and needs to play guard full time as opposed to RT because he would become an all pro guard if he focused on that position. And that Yanda was better than Grubbs. He kinda disagreed but not completely cuz he responded " ahh I am not so sure about that, Yanda is good but I dunno bout better than Grubbs" I actually think Grubbs was always a little overrated in my humble opinion. Anyways that is homerism at its finest!! Media hyped Tucker up last yr a lot and most fans see him a kicker as a hometown fan favorite and bigger priority than the most dominant guard in the NFL!! Just as many fans would defend juice faster than KO. In my opinion KO takes over next yr as the best player on the ravens Oline and enforcer of the best OLine in the nfl!! Especially if the ravens add Tunsil. And run with Tunsil at LT and KO Urschel and Yanda as the interior triad. If not then KO at Left Tackle and Jensen Urschel Yanda at the interior is very formidable and nasty. Upshaw can walk. And it would be cool to have Tucker back but not at the expense of KO!! The most powerful mauler in the NFL and the eventual leader and anchor of the Raven OLine with Yanda 32 next year. If ravens lose him he will eventually get the recognition and it will be seem as a huge mistake. He should be the biggest priority to resign.

No one is preferring a kicker over a LT, we are just being realistic about our cap space and the the fact that other teams have way more space to sign him.

[beanfigger]

Marry, kill, and...oh, wait...

Tag Tucker, sign KO, thank Upshaw for his services.

[balfan23]

Tucker Will be resigned in the near future. KO will walk. Upshaw is kind of the wild card...it all depends on what he thinks he is worth.Oz def ain't breakin the bank for him..But if he accepts a low cost short term deal I could see him staying.

That certainly seems like the most likely scenario. 

[cushrinada1986]

I think we keep only Tucker. We work with Jensen on LG, let Zuttah and Urshel battle for starting C, and Draft a LT in the top ten. We keep Monroe for one more year to see if any value is left in him and then let him go once the rookie gets a hang of things. We draft 1-2 new pass rushers in the draft as well as bring in a vet from FA to battle in TC. Upshaw is a great edge run stopper, just not what we needed for getting to the QB.

[balfan23]

A kicker and mediocre cornerback is priority over the most dominating guard in the NFL?? And a guard who filled in at left tackle and did so quite effectively?? The money to tucker and Wright cover KO's cap hit for first couple yrs. KO is the future anchor. Yanda will be going on 33 next year.Do some research of what age guards and oline players decline and even get cut. Hutchinson, Faneca,Allen,Pace,Adams.

If top 3 kicker salary (Tucker) + a bag of peanuts (Wright) = KO's new contract ... then this argument would hold water. Unfortunately, the left side of this equation doesn't even come remotely close.

 

None of us want to see him go, but KO is going to be very, very expensive and therefore very, very hard to keep. 

[Winchester]

Tucker Will be resigned in the near future. KO will walk. Upshaw is kind of the wild card...it all depends on what he thinks he is worth.Oz def ain't breakin the bank for him..But if he accepts a low cost short term deal I could see him staying.

If any players are given $$ before KO then that is prioritizing over KO. If KO walks the offense takes a huge step backwards!! It will negate any OLineman drafted in round one or any playmakers added. Because the whole reason for adding playmakers is having a dominating OLine and franchise QB. The OLine is the #1 strength of the team. KO is the enforcer of the offensive line!! If the OLine loses its most overpowering player then it will negate any strides the offense makes. And it isn't like the defense is going to be what it was when it was elite in one draft regardless who is drafted. Especially a dback. There are no Kalil Mack's in this draft. All Indications illustrate Harbs is pushing for a complete awesome offense. Complete with an overpowering Oline and run game with prolific anf effecient throwing the ball around for big plays as well as sustained drives mixed in with coordinated big play attack. The offense is on the cusp of something very special!! And please do not say Eugene is a viable option at left tackle. Just look at his pics with the jags and his last couple games with the ravens. Looks deflated soggy different player. I really believe Urschel turns out to be a top 6 center or better by next yrs playoffs!! KO will finally get his recognition as one of the best Oline players in the league at guard or tackle. And Jensen while not a pro bowler perhaps. be a very respected guard with power at 325lbs and underrated athleticism. His 3 cone is linebacker territory.

[rmw10]

If any players are given $$ before KO then that is prioritizing over KO. If KO walks the offense takes a huge step backwards!! It will negate any OLineman drafted in round one or any playmakers added. Because the whole reason for adding playmakers is having a dominating OLine and franchise QB. The OLine is the #1 strength of the team. KO is the enforcer of the offensive line!! If the OLine loses its most overpowering player then it will negate any strides the offense makes. And it isn't like the defense is going to be what it was when it was elite in one draft regardless who is drafted. Especially a dback. There are no Kalil Mack's in this draft. All Indications illustrate Harbs is pushing for a complete awesome offense. Complete with an overpowering Oline and run game with prolific anf effecient throwing the ball around for big plays as well as sustained drives mixed in with coordinated big play attack. The offense is on the cusp of something very special!! And please do not say Eugene is a viable option at left tackle. Just look at his pics with the jags and his last couple games with the ravens. Looks deflated soggy different player. I really believe Urschel turns out to be a top 6 center or better by next yrs playoffs!! KO will finally get his recognition as one of the best Oline players in the league at guard or tackle. And Jensen while not a pro bowler perhaps. be a very respected guard with power at 325lbs and underrated athleticism. His 3 cone is linebacker territory.

 

Uhh, no, that's not how it works.  If you wait on KO to make a decision and he chooses elsewhere, all of those other guys could potentially sign elsewhere in that time as well.  Eugene Monroe was a priority 2 years ago, but we signed a few guys before giving him his deal.  If they want KO, they can still sign Tucker, Wright, Upshaw, whoever before him.  They'll make sure they have the cap space available in some way if they really want a guy.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Uhh, no, that's not how it works.  If you wait on KO to make a decision and he chooses elsewhere, all of those other guys could potentially sign elsewhere in that time as well.  Eugene Monroe was a priority 2 years ago, but we signed a few guys before giving him his deal.  If they want KO, they can still sign Tucker, Wright, Upshaw, whoever before him.  They'll make sure they have the cap space available in some way if they really want a guy.

Well put thank you...

[Winchester]

If top 3 kicker salary (Tucker) + a bag of peanuts (Wright) = KO's new contract ... then this argument would hold water. Unfortunately, the left side of this equation doesn't even come remotely close.

 

None of us want to see him go, but KO is going to be very, very expensive and therefore very, very hard to keep.

If top 3 kicker salary (Tucker) + a bag of peanuts (Wright) = KO's new contract ... then this argument would hold

If top 3 kicker salary (Tucker) + a bag of peanuts (Wright) = KO's new contract ... then this argument would hold water. Unfortunately, the left side of this equation doesn't even come remotely close.

 

5 yrs $40-$50mil and lower cap Hits the first couple of yrs would equal about the cap hit of Tucker and Wright. Of course overall KO is more expensive but for next yr his cap hit could be similar to tuckers and wrights combined. You do not let dominating overpowering offensive line players leave at 26 yrs old.

[January J]

If any players are given $$ before KO then that is prioritizing over KO. If KO walks the offense takes a huge step backwards!! It will negate any OLineman drafted in round one or any playmakers added. Because the whole reason for adding playmakers is having a dominating OLine and franchise QB. The OLine is the #1 strength of the team. KO is the enforcer of the offensive line!! If the OLine loses its most overpowering player then it will negate any strides the offense makes. And it isn't like the defense is going to be what it was when it was elite in one draft regardless who is drafted. Especially a dback. There are no Kalil Mack's in this draft. All Indications illustrate Harbs is pushing for a complete awesome offense. Complete with an overpowering Oline and run game with prolific anf effecient throwing the ball around for big plays as well as sustained drives mixed in with coordinated big play attack. The offense is on the cusp of something very special!! And please do not say Eugene is a viable option at left tackle. Just look at his pics with the jags and his last couple games with the ravens. Looks deflated soggy different player. I really believe Urschel turns out to be a top 6 center or better by next yrs playoffs!! KO will finally get his recognition as one of the best Oline players in the league at guard or tackle. And Jensen while not a pro bowler perhaps. be a very respected guard with power at 325lbs and underrated athleticism. His 3 cone is linebacker territory.

which is exactly why we won't be able to afford him. He's one of the best in the league and has just shown he can also slide over to LT. I just don't see it. I think Ozzie was partially just trying to do this kid a favor and maximize his earnings. If KO agrees to receive guard type money of course Ozzie will attempt to retain him but he's not going to break the bank. If he accepts the offer on the table will be up to him. And your saying if KO walks it will negate drafting Tunsil if he falls to us? Or even stanley?I would be more than comfortable going into the season with Monroe and tunsil...plus weve got jenson who really looked good at the end of the season. Our o line will be fine without him and I'd much rather dump than money in the defense or utilize it elsewhere by signing a guy like weddle or another veteran receiver. Look at how much money the patriots have dedicated to their o line. ..you don't have to have the best guard in the league to feild a good team. And oh yeah we still have this guy named yanda. Edited January 9, 2016 by January J

[Winchester]

Uhh, no, that's not how it works.  If you wait on KO to make a decision and he chooses elsewhere, all of those other guys could potentially sign elsewhere in that time as well.  Eugene Monroe was a priority 2 years ago, but we signed a few guys before giving him his deal.  If they want KO, they can still sign Tucker, Wright, Upshaw, whoever before him.  They'll make sure they have the cap space available in some way if they really want a guy.

lol, amazing lol after signing all the losers then there is no money to pay KO!! That is why you lock up your best players before free agency!! Would you do that with JJ Watt??!! KO is the ravens best free agent by leaps and bounds!! Amazing you even talk about paying Upshaw a dime!! He is a below average player!! Would you prefer pay Scrubshaw $2mil a yr and end up $2mil short of paying KO?? Then there would be plenty of money to add more Kyle arringtons.lol

[January J]

lol, amazing lol after signing all the losers then there is no money to pay KO!! That is why you lock up your best players before free agency!! Would you do that with JJ Watt??!! KO is the ravens best free agent by leaps and bounds!! Amazing you even talk about paying Upshaw a dime!! He is a below average player!! Would you prefer pay Scrubshaw $2mil a yr and end up $2mil short of paying KO?? Then there would be plenty of money to add more Kyle arringtons.lol

so now Tucker is a loser? Get outta here man.

[GrimCoconut]

How is there no money to pay KO. How much do people think he'll get paid? I see him getting $6.5 - $7.5M/year average. Veldheer got $7M/year and Monroe got 7.5M/year. I'm not sure where all this doom and gloom originates. It's not like we haven't back loaded deals before.

[Guest]

There's a good chance we retain them all.

 

Tucker likely through Franchise Tag mainly because he began to miss FG's late in the season.  If we signed him long term to his effectiveness the 2nd half of the season, that would not be good.  Let him "get back" next year and we'll sign him long term.

 

To allow K.O. to walk with the uncertainty of Monroe would be consummate Front Office negligence.  I wouldn't put it past them because they've definitely lost their long ball, but logic says K.O. gets a long term deal.

 

Upshaw will be allowed to test the open waters. Whether he gets any significant bites is the issue.  Don't think he'll be highly sought out and theres a chance we can re-up him.  That said, the league does love our linebackers.  Look at John Simon playing well for Houston.  That was another one that got away.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Danny D

[rmw10]

lol, amazing lol after signing all the losers then there is no money to pay KO!! That is why you lock up your best players before free agency!! Would you do that with JJ Watt??!! KO is the ravens best free agent by leaps and bounds!! Amazing you even talk about paying Upshaw a dime!! He is a below average player!! Would you prefer pay Scrubshaw $2mil a yr and end up $2mil short of paying KO?? Then there would be plenty of money to add more Kyle arringtons.lol

 

Sure, you can attempt to, but what if KO doesn't want to sign?  What if KO does want to see his worth on the open market before choosing?  It's not as simple as just signing a guy.

[jazz1988]

lol, amazing lol after signing all the losers then there is no money to pay KO!! That is why you lock up your best players before free agency!! Would you do that with JJ Watt??!! KO is the ravens best free agent by leaps and bounds!! Amazing you even talk about paying Upshaw a dime!! He is a below average player!! Would you prefer pay Scrubshaw $2mil a yr and end up $2mil short of paying KO?? Then there would be plenty of money to add more Kyle arringtons.lol

 

I'm sure Ozzie and others were in contract talk with K.O agent about a new contract either during training camp or the regular season.Just because nothing was finalize doesn't mean conversations didn't happen. The Ravens also had the choice to pick between K.O or Yanda and I think the right choice was Yanda.

Edited January 10, 2016 by jazz1988

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Any fan who has followed the Ravens for any amount of time knows that Oz can work his magic but sometimes it happens in the 11th hour  .  It is possible all 3 guys come back next season I just don't know how likely it would be to expect that. The draft is coming up so Oz and his staff will have a plan in place and Oz will dabble in free agency some too I don't think it will be any big name players but it will be guys who can come to Baltimore and compete. The last thing I heard was Oz can now trade comp picks too man that just makes his job so much easier to do if that is true. If and That's a big IF Oz wants to keep these guys it is going to come down to value and how much? clearly Tucker and K.O. both have a lot of value Tucker scores a lot of points and K.O. can play multiple positions on the o-line so both of them have some real value but a LB like Upshaw can be had just about any round in the draft and at a lower price too. So make of it what you want but I know Oz will bring back at least 1 of the guys and maybe even two of them but I would be very surprised if he brought back all three guys but it might happen.

[Winchester]

I'm sure Ozzie and others were in contract talk with K.O agent about a new contract either during training camp or the regular season.Just because nothing was finalize doesn't mean conversations didn't happen. The Ravens also had the choice to pick between K.O or Yanda and I think the right choice was Yanda.

Let's revisit and bookmark this statement. Yanda is great but he is 32. How many 35 yr old guards around the NFL?? Name an elite guard in the pro bowl at 33 yrs old. Even Hutchinson Faneca and Allen were cut by 33. Big guys like that lose their athleticism faster.

[Winchester]

so now Tucker is a loser? Get outta here man.

Obviously I was not referring to Tucker as one of the losers. But you are probably one of the homers that would prefer Tucker( the hometown hero built up by media recognition) back before the most overpowering guard in the league.

[Winchester]

No one is preferring a kicker over a LT, we are just being realistic about our cap space and the the fact that other teams have way more space to sign him.

Well Tuckers cap hit for next year would cover much of KOs cap hit for next yr. Would you let tucker walk to extend KO?? If one could be afforded who would you pick?? And resigning tucker is the primary reason if ravens could not sign KO. KO could be back loaded for when cap money is cleared up.