Realisticly What do you think happens to Tucker, K.O. and Upshaw this off season?

[Ravens4Real]

8 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Not really. They'll likely be the 2 highest deals.

Still have Jenkins and both QB's to sign their deals. If both QB's leave their respective teams, there's no way we get one of the 3 3rd rounders.

Theres also talk that teams will try and sign Vernon to a deal even though he received the transition tag. His tag was $12.7 so that would probably exceed KO also.

Edited March 8, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[52520Andrew]

47 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Still have Jenkins and both QB's to sign their deals. If both QB's leave their respective teams, there's no way we get one of the 3 3rd rounders.

Theres also talk that teams will try and sign Vernon to a deal even though he received the transition tag. His tag was $12.7 so that would probably exceed KO also.

I get Brock but who is the other QB getting paid this offseason? Bradford and Cousins are staying where they are

[sflegend89]

Never happy to see a really good player like KO go but damn did they over pay for him, chalk it up to the rising salary cap but that is still ridiculous. I think Urschel/Jensen will be serviceable. With the extra cap room and high draft position this year we can do some serious damage, we're looking at a very different team heading into 2016 and that's exciting. 

[Ravens4Real]

39 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I get Brock but who is the other QB getting paid this offseason? Bradford and Cousins are staying where they are

Fitzpatick will more than likely get more than $12 mill a year. Even on a two year deal. Or shorter.

It all depends on if Osweiler and Fitzpatrick sign back with their teams. If they do, Monroe should be the second or third highest contract.

Edited March 8, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[52520Andrew]

Just now, Ravens4Real said:

Fitzpatick will more than likely get more than $12 mill a year. Even on a two year deal. Or shorter.

I'd laugh if someone paid him more than 12 mil per, I think he stays a Jet though

[Ravens4Real]

7 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I'd laugh if someone paid him more than 12 mil per, I think he stays a Jet though

Why though?

He performed well last year. Almost led the Jets to the playoffs. Actually should have. Almost 4,000 yards, 31 TD's. Performed a hell of a lot better than guys making almost $20 mill. He should easily make more than $12 mill if the Jets dot resign him

[52520Andrew]

Just now, Ravens4Real said:

Why though?

He performed well last year. Almost led the Jets to the playoffs. Actually should have. Almost 4,000 yards, 31 TD's. Performed a hell of a lot better than guys making almost $20 mill. He should easily make more than $12 mill if the Jets dot resign him

Because there are plenty of other years that show him being a below average QB and he will never live up to that salary

[Ravens4Real]

13 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Because there are plenty of other years that show him being a below average QB and he will never live up to that salary

Just like every one here that defends the amount of money that Joe makes. It's the going rate. Average QB's and below average QB's make $15-20 mill. 

[52520Andrew]

Just now, Ravens4Real said:

Just like every one here that defends the amount of money that Joe makes. It's the going rate. Average QB's and below average QB's make $15-20 mill. 

The guy has bounced around the league though and hasn't done anything besides this year. It would be stupid to throw that much money into a guy like that. Bradford is one thing as he had nothing around him in St. Louis. Cousins is another in that he is young. Houston chose Hoyer and Mallett over the guy, I mean that should be pretty telling.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I have to disagree. Outside of QB, linemen are the best investment you can possibly make for your offense. And one that'll keep your franchise QB safe and help the running game is worth his weight in gold.

Implies that 1. You even want to run the ball (see New England), 2. That you can't scheme and play call your way out of offensive line problems (see New England and Denver).

With very small exceptions, the only position you can't completely suck at is QB. We see teams with bad OLs make SBs, playoffs, etc. annually.

If your offense is designed for QB protection and a running game, OL is vital. Not all teams win that way.

[52520Andrew]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Implies that 1. You even want to run the ball (see New England), 2. That you can't scheme and play call your way out of offensive line problems (see New England and Denver).

With very small exceptions, the only position you can't completely suck at is QB. We see teams with bad OLs make SBs, playoffs, etc. annually.

If your offense is designed for QB protection and a running game, OL is vital. Not all teams win that way.

How exactly did that offensive line do in the AFC Championship again?

[GrimCoconut]

I don't want to risk Joe going down again because we relied on Monroe staying healthy, which he hasn't done in two consecutive years now. 

[rmcjacket23]

22 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

How exactly did that offensive line do in the AFC Championship again?

Not very well.

But then again, there was plenty of very good offensive lines who didn't play in the AFC Championship...or any Championship.

[rmcjacket23]

On 1/10/2016 at 10:48 PM, Winchester said:

Same could be said of tucker. But everybody says get him signed. If KO was offered a generous contract he would sign it. 4 yrs 32-35mil or 5 yrs $40mil with a nice bonus would keep the ravens top free agent off the market. Before going off reputation and saying Yanda is better than KO. Then watch the last couple games. KO is equally as important as Yanda especially considering age and who is the anchor in next year's playoffs. Because if ravens add playmakers and the defense is even pretty good and the Oline is intact and even perhaps adding Tunsil or Stanley then the ravens are very legit Superbowl contenders!! The OLine is the biggest strength. If Campanaro is playing and Perriman returns and contributes and a legit #1 is added.... Think about it what team in the AFC could beat the ravens for sure?? With playmakers and Joe Cool the ravens have a 14 point lead at halftime vs bungals.

Just wanted to revisit this one from two months ago, where even the biggest KO lover in the world said we should sign him for $8M a year...

I'd say collectively we were all quite a bit off...

[rmcjacket23]

Seriously guys...go back and read our posts from 1-2 months ago on just this thread...myself included.

We really completely whiffed on the market price. Some of us were almost 50% off. A lot of us thought like $8M a year was the high end of his range.

LOL.

[52520Andrew]

9 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not very well.

But then again, there was plenty of very good offensive lines who didn't play in the AFC Championship...or any Championship.

Yup, you can win a Super Bowl with a weakness at any position, even QB if the rest of the team is good enough. 

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Seriously guys...go back and read our posts from 1-2 months ago on just this thread...myself included.

We really completely whiffed on the market price. Some of us were almost 50% off. A lot of us thought like $8M a year was the high end of his range.

LOL.

It's a new market out there.  That's for sure.  Highest previous total for a G was $8.5M.  He managed to get more than $3M more per year.  I don't think there's anyone one can expect that.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's a new market out there.  That's for sure.  Highest previous total for a G was $8.5M.  He managed to get more than $3M more per year.  I don't think there's anyone one can expect that.

True, but we weren't even close in our LT money expectations. There was nobody saying he should be a top 5 paid LT either, and that was as recent as a week ago.

If this is how future markets are going to look, we won't ever be playing in this market, and that's not a bad thing either.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

20 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not very well.

But then again, there was plenty of very good offensive lines who didn't play in the AFC Championship...or any Championship.

And I would say that the Broncos and Panthers O-Lines neither were very good. Hardly average even.

[Ravens4Real]

9 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

And I would say that the Broncos and Panthers O-Lines neither were very good. Hardly average even.

They both had the two best defenses in the league. Both have studs on all 3 levels of their D's. Neither O was very good.

I wrote that and then forgot that the Panthers averaged the most PPG in the league. I will chalk that up to the amazing defenses they get to play in their division.

Edited March 9, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[PurpleCity5]

Sucks to see K.O leave but thats FA for you. He isn't going to turn down the one chance he has of cashing out. 

[GrimCoconut]

I still can't believe KO got paid that much. I'm a fan of his, too. I didn't expect top 5 OL money.

[Ravens4Real]

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

The guy has bounced around the league though and hasn't done anything besides this year. It would be stupid to throw that much money into a guy like that. Bradford is one thing as he had nothing around him in St. Louis. Cousins is another in that he is young. Houston chose Hoyer and Mallett over the guy, I mean that should be pretty telling.

Doesn't matter what he did to begin with. If that were the case, Osweiler wouldn't get paid a dime more than a backup. It's a what have you done for me recently league. All reports have Fitzpatrick getting a contract around what Bradford received which is way above $12 mill per year. There's no way he will be under that number.

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Just wanted to revisit this one from two months ago, where even the biggest KO lover in the world said we should sign him for $8M a year...

I'd say collectively we were all quite a bit off...

 

Oh the irony!  So they FO offered KO more than Winchester said would be needed to retain him and he's ticked at Ozzie for letting KO go.  LOL!

Great find!!

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, Ravens4Real said:

Doesn't matter what he did to begin with. If that were the case, Osweiler wouldn't get paid a dime more than a backup. It's a what have you done for me recently league. All reports have Fitzpatrick getting a contract around what Bradford received which is way above $12 mill per year. There's no way he will be under that number.

In that case, I hope he goes to a team I hate because they aren't getting value on it

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, Ravens4Real said:

They both had the two best defenses in the league. Both have studs on all 3 levels of their D's. Neither O was very good.

I wrote that and then forgot that the Panthers averaged the most PPG in the league. I will chalk that up to the amazing defenses they get to play in their division.

Was just about to comment on the first part but you beat me to the second part. To be fair to the Panthers, the interior of that O-line was a great group with Norwell, Kalil, and Turner. 

[sflegend89]

 

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

And I would say that the Broncos and Panthers O-Lines neither were very good. Hardly average even.

Add in the Patriots to that list, they totally went the plug and play route last year and with their short passing game it worked (Outside of the AFCC but Denver's defense is just nasty). The Cowboys have one of the best OL's in the league and were absolute trash last year. I'm not saying OL isn't important, it absolutely is. I'm just saying that you don't have to spend a boat load of money there to win football games if you scheme properly on offense.

I think Urschel/Jensen can do the job and hold up.. so being able to spend that money elsewhere, get that nice comp pick next year, and still draft a quality OL or two this year with our unusually high draft position could work out quite well. I would be shocked if we don't address the OL in the first 3 rounds.

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Just wanted to revisit this one from two months ago, where even the biggest KO lover in the world said we should sign him for $8M a year...

I'd say collectively we were all quite a bit off...

Somehow, this post made my night.
I am gonna sleep well tonight.

( yes my life is that simple  )

[GrimCoconut]

16 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

 

Add in the Patriots to that list, they totally went the plug and play route last year and with their short passing game it worked (Outside of the AFCC but Denver's defense is just nasty). The Cowboys have one of the best OL's in the league and were absolute trash last year. I'm not saying OL isn't important, it absolutely is. I'm just saying that you don't have to spend a boat load of money there to win football games if you scheme properly on offense.

I think Urschel/Jensen can do the job and hold up.. so being able to spend that money elsewhere, get that nice comp pick next year, and still draft a quality OL or two this year with our unusually high draft position could work out quite well. I would be shocked if we don't address the OL in the first 3 rounds.

The Cowboys made the playoffs in 2014 with that OL after investing into it, and lost their franchise QB & their franchise WR in 2015. They were lacking quite a bit up front on defense as well against the run and did lost their best CB very early. 

Edited March 9, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I hate to see K.O. go but like a few of us (including myself see page 4 of this thread)  said in this same thread some crazy team is going to throw crazy money at certain players. Don't get me wrong K.O. is worth some decent money but WOW. Best of luck to him except when he plays the Ravens.

Edited March 9, 2016 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN