Realisticly What do you think happens to Tucker, K.O. and Upshaw this off season?

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

With the new news it looks like Tucker and K.O. have a real chance to stay in Baltimore for the long term.

[ALI624]

4 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

With the new news it looks like Tucker and K.O. have a real chance to stay in Baltimore for the long term.

New news?

[balfan23]

There has been really no question what was going to happen with Tucker. What is happening is exactly what was expected to happen. 

The developments on KO are a bit of a surprise. I was doubtful that we'd even make the effort to keep him. No guarantees on what actually happens, but it's nice to see we're going to make a play for him. 

I've felt all along that Upshaw was a coin flip, but now I'm thinking he's more than likely gone .. unless the market for him is so weak, that he can be retained for a song. 

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

How can we offer him 8+ a year with our current cap situation? 

I have to think that our offer will be significantly back loaded. Year 1 in many contracts, even relatively big ones, often don't carry huge cap hits. Of course, we have to be careful, because if that's the approach, the future impact will be hard to manage. 

[Willbacker]

8 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

I have to think that our offer will be significantly back loaded. Year 1 in many contracts, even relatively big ones, often don't carry huge cap hits. Of course, we have to be careful, because if that's the approach, the future impact will be hard to manage. 

Especially if we cut Monroe and Pitta after June 1 giving us over 8 mil in dead money next year. Id rather much see a more flatlined contract instead of severely low cap hit in the 1st yr. Just don't know how they can pull this off yet lol.

[balfan23]

21 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Especially if we cut Monroe and Pitta after June 1 giving us over 8 mil in dead money next year. Id rather much see a more flatlined contract instead of severely low cap hit in the 1st yr. Just don't know how they can pull this off yet lol.

I know ... I feel like if we need to back load KO to such an enormous level, then we need to come to grips with the fact that we really can't afford to keep him. 

Either way - I can't imagine we'll go the route of cutting both Monroe and Pitta post June 1. We may do one, but not both. Aside from the future hit, the amount of money saved in June will be more than we can honestly use to improve the team. The savings from one cut will be enough to sign rookies and have some money for picking up cap casualties from other teams. 

[rmcjacket23]

35 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Especially if we cut Monroe and Pitta after June 1 giving us over 8 mil in dead money next year. Id rather much see a more flatlined contract instead of severely low cap hit in the 1st yr. Just don't know how they can pull this off yet lol.

Can only assign one player per year as Post June-1 cut.

[Willbacker]

10 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Can only assign one player per year as Post June-1 cut.

That's good to know. If they resign KO theres gonna be some serious moves this offseason.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Can only assign one player per year as Post June-1 cut.

Can't you do only two? Thought they changed the rules with the CBA years ago

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Can't you do only two? Thought they changed the rules with the CBA years ago

It is two. I just looked it up in an article from 2015.

[allblackraven]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

It is two. I just looked it up in an article from 2015.

Great. Queue "sign Eric Berry and KO and Trumaine Johnson" posts...

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It is two. I just looked it up in an article from 2015.

I wouldn't get rid of Monroe tbh. I agree that June 1sting Pitta is the right move as I doubt he ever plays again.

(This part isn't directed to you BmoreBird)

Btw, if you're of the "Ozzie should not have given Pitta the contract. Should have known of the injury risk." Screw off. Injuries are literally impossible to predict. I'm not mad at Ozzie for that deal.These things just happen, and if he stays healthy, we have a top ten TE with some of the best hands in the NFL back for $5 million a year. Could be worse. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I wouldn't get rid of Monroe tbh. I agree that June 1sting Pitta is the right move as I doubt he ever plays again.

(This part isn't directed to you BmoreBird)

Btw, if you're of the "Ozzie should not have given Pitta the contract. Should have known of the injury risk." Screw off. Injuries are literally impossible to predict. I'm not mad at Ozzie for that deal.These things just happen, and if he stays healthy, we have a top ten TE with some of the best hands in the NFL back for $5 million a year. Could be worse. 

I don't think they should get rid of Monroe, either, unless it's a June 1st designation, which won't happen if Pitta gets that designation.

And to be honest, I wouldn't have given Pitta that contract. He showed his health after a grand total of four games. That's not enough for me. I would have tried a one year prove it deal. He was made the ninth highest paid tight end in the league after an injury that derailed Bo Jackson's career. Another million and he'd be tied for third. Not to mention he had one pretty good year receiving and wasn't a great blocker. Too much risk for me.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

6 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Great. Queue "sign Eric Berry and KO and Trumaine Johnson" posts...

I think we should resign KO for sure. The guy on the oline I'd honestly get rid of is Zuttah. And I don't even want to get rid of him. 

 

I don't think Johnson goes for as much as he did in the game lol. In fact I know he won't. He might be in our price range, but in all liklihood no. 

But Berry? lol no.

 

I'm just waiting for the "The sky is falling" crap to happen when we don't pursue people in FA again. 

 

Remember the Eagles years ago when they got a "dream team". The best way to build a team is through the draft with an occasional addition acquisition via FA. We'll address most of the needs via the draft in all liklihood. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think they should get rid of Monroe, either, unless it's a June 1st designation, which won't happen if Pitta gets that designation.

And to be honest, I wouldn't have given Pitta that contract. He showed his health after a grand total of four games. That's not enough for me. I would have tried a one year prove it deal. He was made the ninth highest paid tight end in the league after an injury that derailed Bo Jackson's career. Another million and he'd be tied for third. Not to mention he had one pretty good year receiving and wasn't a great blocker. Too much risk for me.

I would have honestly gone in that direction as well, but I can see why he didn't. If Pitta absolutely kills it(which he had the talent to do btw) two seasons ago he possibly plays his way out of our price range. 

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I think we should resign KO for sure. The guy on the oline I'd honestly get rid of is Zuttah. And I don't even want to get rid of him. 

 

I don't think Johnson goes for as much as he did in the game lol. In fact I know he won't. He might be in our price range, but in all liklihood no. 

But Berry? lol no.

 

I'm just waiting for the "The sky is falling" crap to happen when we don't pursue people in FA again. 

 

Remember the Eagles years ago when they got a "dream team". The best way to build a team is through the draft with an occasional addition acquisition via FA. We'll address most of the needs via the draft in all liklihood. 

There are reports Rams are going to franchise Johnson. Jenkins apparently changed the agent and is after top contract in FA.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I would have honestly gone in that direction as well, but I can see why he didn't. If Pitta absolutely kills it(which he had the talent to do btw) two seasons ago he possibly plays his way out of our price range. 

The only reason I couldn't see them getting a one year prove it deal done is because Pitta's camp wouldn't want one. They probably knew the injury was a huge risk and made it known they'd only take a long term deal or they'd walk.

At this point, I just really hope he takes a pay cut or helps the team out in some way. He has to know that he's really hurting the overall team.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, allblackraven said:

There are reports Rams are going to franchise Johnson. Jenkins apparently changed the agent and is after top contract in FA.

Welp. Cue the "Sign Casey Hayward" threads.

 

A more realistic guy in my view is Jeremy Lane but his injury history scares me. I'd honestly just resign Wright and look for a slot guy via the draft.. If we need to pursue any position in FA it's a pass rusher imho. Whether interior or edge. 

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Welp. Cue the "Sign Casey Hayward" threads.

 

A more realistic guy in my view is Jeremy Lane but his injury history scares me. I'd honestly just resign Wright and look for a slot guy via the draft.. If we need to pursue any position in FA it's a pass rusher imho. Whether interior or edge. 

Yeah - DBs who clearly are good players will be too expensive for us, as always.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Side note. I love KO. But why give him LT money. He was good there but only 4 games. What if he suddenly starts to suck. Sure, we could move him back to OG but that's a guard with LT money. Seems to be risky lol. 

 

At the same guy, he's so damn athletic that who knows, maybe he becomes a super beast

[scrock]

Tucker will get a long term deal at some point

Upshaw will test his value on open market and I can see the Ravens retaining him on a relatively cheap deal, he's like Double J..with less sacks.

KO is gone imo..he wants to be highest paid guard or whatever..his value has gone up playing LT. I know Ravens made offer to him but they won't be able to match what another team can/will give. He comes back if he just wants to stay in Bmore

[Winchester]

Forget KO. The ravens and sorry cap position Ozzie has the team in can not match the $12.5mil per that the jags are going to pay. The ravens have nothing special going for them.Mediocre across the team. My opinion he is going to be a pro bowl left tackle. And most punishing blocker in the league.

[Tank 92]

6 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Forget KO. The ravens and sorry cap position Ozzie has the team in can not match the $12.5mil per that the jags are going to pay. The ravens have nothing special going for them.Mediocre across the team. My opinion he is going to be a pro bowl left tackle. And most punishing blocker in the league.

Yeah, Oz should take a page out out of the Jags book and be in the position to have the cap room to sign a guy like KO. Maybe then the Ravens could be a great team like them and not be so "mediocre".   LMAO!

[ALPHA]

KO is an above average guard and can fill in at left and right tackle, so he's a good player with versatility, but you don't pay a premium on that. His market value is going to exceed his actual value.

We have two promising players who can step up, what happened to next man up?

[usmccharles]

That's the thing,  he will command more money than he is worth,  he will get it from a team with a lot of money like the jags.    Gee,  wish we were like them smh.  

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

KO is an above average guard and can fill in at left and right tackle, so he's a good player with versatility, but you don't pay a premium on that. His market value is going to exceed his actual value.

We have two promising players who can step up, what happened to next man up?

I'm not at Winchester levels, but I'd say KO is better than that.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm not at Winchester levels, but I'd say KO is better than that.

I think he's top 5.  But money wise,  we can't do it.   Simple as that

[Winchester]

20 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think he's top 5.  But money wise,  we can't do it.   Simple as that

KO if he plays guard will be the best in 2016. Left tackle will be top5. Yanda will be one of best guards but not as dominant as usual going in season10. He is 32 going on 33 and every guard was not the same at that age including Hutchinson,Allen,Shields and Faneca. KO finally gets his recognition. 

[Winchester]

53 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Yeah, Oz should take a page out out of the Jags book and be in the position to have the cap room to sign a guy like KO. Maybe then the Ravens could be a great team like them and not be so "mediocre".   LMAO!

Jags are on the upswing while ravens in opposite direction

[usmccharles]

15 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Jags are on the upswing while ravens in opposite direction

That's what happens when you suck for so long,  get high draft  picks and don't spend money in fa.   Finally they have a good owner and a QB.   Too bad we didn't suck for years so we could sign one lineman