Realisticly What do you think happens to Tucker, K.O. and Upshaw this off season?

[GrimCoconut]

11 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Unless Schefler knew the offer was laughable.

I'd agree with you but the reports I read say KO would be the second highest salary behind Joe. I can't see how that kind of deal is laughable. This could be Yanda situation where he [KO] wants to return but he wants to see what other teams offer first so he knows whether it's fair or not. That's my guess.

[RavensDieHard21]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'd agree with you but the reports I read say KO would be the second highest salary behind Joe. I can't see how that kind of deal is laughable. This could be Yanda situation where he [KO] wants to return but he wants to see what other teams offer first so he knows whether it's fair or not. That's my guess.

I hope so because KO brings a lot of attitude to our Offensive line and with him being retained we can focus on other areas and allow oz to get other lineman in the mid rounds where he has seemingly been on a roll with solid guys like Jensen, Wagner, and Urschel.  

[RavensDieHard21]

23 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Who knows what's possible with Linta in the picture but Steve Bisciotti said $19 mil cap number would be ideal in 2016 and mentioned low $20 mils as realistic figure.

There is no reason to think Wagner will struggle again - clearly was the consequence of his injury. He got better as foot healed, same as Jimmy. However, he is FA after this season and if he plays again to his potential, I see teams making a go at him.

The lisfranc injury is no joke, just look at Ryan Clady of the Broncos, he was easily a top 5 LT, but was out an entire year because of that injury. I like that you pointed out that it was no coincidence that both Jimmy and Wagner had rocky starts, but finished strong. It shows that if you cannot participate fully in camp and all activities to regain strength and speed then the beginning of the season will certainly be a rough start

[berad]

1 hour ago, edthehead said:

what is an aggressive offer,,

everybody keep saying; 

"we made an aggressive offer"  ,  Harb states "there is an aggressive offer on the table"

 

Too early for the 'legal tampering' so the only contracts allowed to be discussed are between KO and the Ravens.

[AsianRice]

the wait is painfully annoying.....

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'd agree with you but the reports I read say KO would be the second highest salary behind Joe. I can't see how that kind of deal is laughable. This could be Yanda situation where he [KO] wants to return but he wants to see what other teams offer first so he knows whether it's fair or not. That's my guess.

#2 behind Joe is not saying much. It just shows it tops Monroe's deal. Anything less than 5 yrs $40mil

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Winchester said:

#2 behind Joe is not saying much. It just shows it tops Monroe's deal. Anything less than 5 yrs $40mil

It means its more than Monroe and more than Yanda, which is already more than most people on here speculated him of getting. Most people suspected he would get bottom tier LT money/top tier guard money, which is around $7-8M a year.

We now know its more than that. If you believe some reports, he's in the 8 figure per year range.

[GrimCoconut]

21 minutes ago, Winchester said:

#2 behind Joe is not saying much. It just shows it tops Monroe's deal. Anything less than 5 yrs $40mil

 

18 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

It means its more than Monroe and more than Yanda, which is already more than most people on here speculated him of getting. Most people suspected he would get bottom tier LT money/top tier guard money, which is around $7-8M a year.

We now know its more than that. If you believe some reports, he's in the 8 figure per year range.

Yes. #2 behind Joes says quite a bit when Jimmy Smith is the second-highest paid player on the team in average pay. If we're talking second-highest paid player on offense, then we're talking more than Yanda at $8M. The reports I've read suggest he'll be the second-highest paid player period, which puts him north of Jimmy's 10M. 

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

Yes. #2 behind Joes says quite a bit when Jimmy Smith is the second-highest paid player on the team in average pay. If we're talking second-highest paid player on offense, then we're talking more than Yanda at $8M. The reports I've read suggest he'll be the second-highest paid player period, which puts him north of Jimmy's 10M. 

I thought the report said offensive player, could be wrong on that though. If he was offered Jimmy Smith type money, my guess is he'd have already signed. That's be closer to top 5 LT money.

[ALI624]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

Yes. #2 behind Joes says quite a bit when Jimmy Smith is the second-highest paid player on the team in average pay. If we're talking second-highest paid player on offense, then we're talking more than Yanda at $8M. The reports I've read suggest he'll be the second-highest paid player period, which puts him north of Jimmy's 10M. 

Reports are that KO is seeking 10 million or more.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

I thought the report said offensive player, could be wrong on that though. If he was offered Jimmy Smith type money, my guess is he'd have already signed. That's be closer to top 5 LT money.

Yeah, you're right. I looked it up to double-check and must've confused myself. It's second highest offensive player. Still higher than many expected, myself included. It's likely north of $8M a year, so I'm guessing somewhere around $9M. 

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah, you're right. I looked it up to double-check and must've confused myself. It's second highest offensive player. Still higher than many expected, myself included. It's likely north of $8M a year, so I'm guessing somewhere around $9M. 

Just read he's looking for at least $10M.  

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Reports out today have Baltimore offering $10M+ to lock up Osemele before FA begins.

 

Edited February 26, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[The Raven]

6 hours ago, JO_75 said:

Yeah Schefter should be more worried about the lawsuit from JPP than this. 

God forbid a reporter does his job and report on contracts... Do you have any brain cells in there at all, JO? Good god.

[The Raven]

I'm hoping we get KO long term and possibly trade Monroe. KO brings so much nasty to the oline it's not even funny. We need more attitude and he brings it. I'd pay the man.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, The Raven said:

God forbid a reporter does his job and report on contracts... Do you have any brain cells in there at all, JO? Good god.

He posted his medical records to the world, did not report on JPP's contract. That's why he's being sued.

[The Raven]

16 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

He posted his medical records to the world, did not report on JPP's contract. That's why he's being sued.

 

Well aware of that. You missed my point. He's reporting on KO's contract, no? Thought that was obvious. His job is to report on NFL matters. Reporting on KO's contract is a part of his job. Why should he not worry about it? 

 

JO's assertion that Schefter, the best reporter out there, should worry more about a lawsuit than doing his job is just freaking stupid. It's the kind of thing that just gives me a headache. Yes, lawsuit is bad. That doesn't mean stop reporting.

Edited February 26, 2016 by The Raven

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, The Raven said:

 

Well aware of that. You missed my point. He's reporting on KO's contract, no? Thought that was obvious. His job is to report on NFL matters. Reporting on KO's contract is a part of his job. Why should he not worry about it? 

JO's assertion that Schefter, the best reporter out there, should worry more about a lawsuit than doing his job is just freaking stupid. It's the kind of thing that just gives me a headache. Yes, lawsuit is bad. That doesn't mean stop reporting.

Well, it wasn't a report on KO's contract either - just a bold speculation that he'll definitely hit the FA market (because Tucker got franchised), which came after the Ravens said that they offered above average deal to Osemele, which is what @JO_75 objected to, I believe.

[GrimCoconut]

I like Schefter but his report is very contradictory to everything else I"ve read outside of Bleacher Report, so...I'm really not sure how credible his source is. It's a strange situation entirely, however, because you hear that Harbaugh said we offered an aggressive deal and reports say KO would be the second-highest paid offensive player behind Flacco, meaning he'd be compensated north of $8M a year, likely around $9M/year would be my guess as to the offer. 

Very strange of Schefter to say that. 

[Tank 92]

Seems things are progressing in the logical manner.  

Your franchise QB is returning from a knee, be wise and bolster the O line in the best way you can given the situation at hand. Worst case scenario is that you lock up the best guard tandem in the NFL.

Your top rated PK has a bit of an off year in his first contract year........tag him and continue to try to get a deal done. If the deal doesn't happen you make him prove his worth while paying him close to you what you would sign him at anyway. 

If things continue to follow on logically the Ravens observe interest on Upshaw and weigh the decision accordingly. They won't overpay.

[GrimCoconut]

24 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Seems things are progressing in the logical manner.  

Your franchise QB is returning from a knee, be wise and bolster the O line in the best way you can given the situation at hand. Worst case scenario is that you lock up the best guard tandem in the NFL.

Your top rated PK has a bit of an off year in his first contract year........tag him and continue to try to get a deal done. If the deal doesn't happen you make him prove his worth while paying him close to you what you would sign him at anyway. 

If things continue to follow on logically the Ravens observe interest on Upshaw and weigh the decision accordingly. They won't overpay.

I can't recall where I read this, but I know I read somewhere that the Ravens are letting Upshaw go and that they "can't afford him." That made me happy to hear. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I can't recall where I read this, but I know I read somewhere that the Ravens are letting Upshaw go and that they "can't afford him." That made me happy to hear. 

thank god, an overweight unathletic "pass rusher" shouldnt be hard to replace

[Winchester]

7 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like Schefter but his report is very contradictory to everything else I"ve read outside of Bleacher Report, so...I'm really not sure how credible his source is. It's a strange situation entirely, however, because you hear that Harbaugh said we offered an aggressive deal and reports say KO would be the second-highest paid offensive player behind Flacco, meaning he'd be compensated north of $8M a year, likely around $9M/year would be my guess as to the offer. 

Very strange of Schefter to say that. 

 

That is exactly what I was thinking. $9mil a yr with a nice bonus and guaranteed money. He is the most punishing drive blocker in the NFL and a pretty good athlete for left tackle position. He could very likely get $10mil per on open market. Like I said nearly 6'6 330lbs of muscle. Very strong!!, athletic and nasty. But $9mil per is fair to the team that drafted him. And it allows ravens to focus on needs in the draft and free agency like receiver,ilb,olb. And it keeps the group intact that looked so strong and impressive playing cincy and Pittsburgh. It looks as if Harbs wants Urschel at center. Harbs loves Urschel there. He is big strong,technically sound,very intelligent fairly athletic  very nasty and extremely hard working which fits in with what Harbs wants on the OLine.  Yanda and Jensen is going to show as one of the best guard tandems in the league. And Wagner looked like the best right tackle in the league again by the time of the Bengal and steelers games To front the strongest and best overall OLine in the NFL. Only Dallas line could compare but ravens is stronger and gets more movement off the ball across the board. 

[sflegend89]

I feel like this is the most money motivated era of the NFL in history as far as free agency is concerned (Understandably so). With all the focus on concussions, life after football, ect. more and more players are willing to walk away from successful/stable teams in favor of the highest bidder. We saw it with Torrey last year, I mean we're talking about a Maryland grad who grew up in the DMV area, had great relationships with teammates/coaches, poof, gone to arguably the worst run team in football currently because they were simply offering more (Boldin/Vernon Davis perhaps playing a small role as well). You can't even blame him either, that's just the reality of the NFL in this day and age.

 

I hope KO comes back, I really hope he values the stability of this franchise and realizes how special it is to be apart of the Ravens family. But if he get's a better offer he's probably gone, let's be real here. There's not that many guys left that put football ahead of the money, Randall Cobb is the only guy in recent memory who has. That's especially the case for guys coming off Rookie deals like KO. It's not until guys have had a big contract under their belt that they become more willing to make things work when they're in a good situation.

 

 

Edited February 27, 2016 by sflegend89

[A Fish Called Yanda]

5 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

I feel like this is the most money motivated era of the NFL in history as far as free agency is concerned (Understandably so). With all the focus on concussions, life after football, ect. more and more players are willing to walk away from successful/stable teams in favor of the highest bidder. We saw it with Torrey last year, I mean we're talking about a Maryland grad who grew up in the DMV area, had great relationships with teammates/coaches, poof, gone to arguably the worst run team in football currently because they were simply offering more (Boldin/Vernon Davis perhaps playing a small role as well). You can't even blame him either, that's just the reality of the NFL in this day and age.

 

I hope KO comes back, I really hope he values the stability of this franchise and realizes how special it is to be apart of the Ravens family. But if he get's a better offer he's probably gone, let's be real here. There's not that many guys left that put football ahead of the money, Randall Cobb is the only guy in recent memory who has. That's especially the case for guys coming off Rookie deals like KO. It's not until guys have had a big contract under their belt that they become more willing to make things work when they're in a good situation.

 

 

Wonder if Torrey is regretting that move yet, especially with the fact that they're going to have to completely start from scratch at QB and his new head coach hasn't exactly shown that he's the man for the job in the NFL.

[Willbacker]

16 hours ago, The Raven said:

I'm hoping we get KO long term and possibly trade Monroe. KO brings so much nasty to the oline it's not even funny. We need more attitude and he brings it. I'd pay the man.

I think we got a shot if we keep the guarantees high. I'm defintly sold on him after he did a solid job in the last 4 games. Now with a whole training camp under his belt Joe and him be like  

[usmccharles]

How can we offer him 8+ a year with our current cap situation? 

[ALI624]

Just now, usmccharles said:

How can we offer him 8+ a year with our current cap situation? 

We can go over the cap before March 9.

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

We can go over the cap before March 9.

Ah.  Thanks 

 

Also,  I'm not excited to take Stanley but if we signed KO it would mean our line is set for awhile.   I don't think he improves us right away like some of the defense guys,  but for the future it would be nice.   Definitely wouldn't mind building something like Dallas,  a good oline helps every one on offense

[rmw10]

13 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

How can we offer him 8+ a year with our current cap situation? 

What Ali said, and I imagine some other dominoes would fall in conjunction with signing KO.  Flacco extensions, cuts, etc.

[ALI624]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Ah.  Thanks 

 

Also,  I'm not excited to take Stanley but if we signed KO it would mean our line is set for awhile.   I don't think he improves us right away like some of the defense guys,  but for the future it would be nice.   Definitely wouldn't mind building something like Dallas,  a good oline helps every one on offense

I hope we sign KO and grab a defensive playmaker with that 6th pick and there will be a few.