[News] Late For Work 1/8: Re-Doing Joe Flacco's Contract Might Not Be Necessary, Agent Shares His Take

[Winchester]

One other thing after yesterday's press conference my take is that Steve and Ozzie have their sights on Joey Bosa and will do what it takes to get him. They both emphasized having a pass rush.

Did not pick a good draft to need edge rush help!!

[Black&purple#55]

If flacco and his agent dont want to re-do his contract, I would cut flacco and roll with Mallet and spend the money on KO and other free agents. Flacco should look at Brady, he makes his team look better.

[757RavensFan]

The FO has to plan for both ways but i agree that the team would be very handicapped salary wise if his contract ain't re-worked. Less protection and targets for Flacco if a deal can't be struck (I believe it will be done but worried it will take way too long)

 

I'm worried about that as well, especially since Joe's agent didn't seem too concerned about renegotiating.  

[atomicfront]

If flacco and his agent dont want to re-do his contract, I would cut flacco and roll with Mallet and spend the money on KO and other free agents. Flacco should look at Brady, he makes his team look better.

 

If they cut Flacco they would save 2.7 million in cap space.  They wouldn't be able to sign Osemle with that amount of money they would have a terrible Quarterback.  And Ozzie would be the laughing stock of the NFL

 

It amazes people who comment on stuff that have no idea what is involved in the situation.  

[The Greek]

I know of a retired LB that would be just perfect for the vacated LB Coaching job.

dick butkus?

[atomicfront]

I'm worried about that as well, especially since Joe's agent didn't seem too concerned about renegotiating.  

 

How many times do I have to post that they aren't going to re-negotiate it would be an extension.  It would be beneficial for Flacco to get an extension. They would get more money and more years with a nice big fat singing bonus.  

[bioLarzen]

I agree. But, Bisciotti previously stated upon Lewis' retirement that he does not pay his LB coaches a large salary. Lewis is current making a seven-figure salary with ESPN. However, some Defensive Coordinators do make a  seven-figure salary. Which could be appealing to Lewis. Lewis has an incredible talent for reading offensive formations, and he is even more talented at selecting proper defensive audibles. 

 

I don't know if there is a precedent in the NFL where a retired player's first coaching job was NFL DC or OC, without any kind of position coaching or assistant coaching experience... That would be highly, highly unlikely, even if Ray was interested - which we don't know.

Edited January 8, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

How many times do I have to post that they aren't going to re-negotiate it would be an extension.

 

How do you call the procedure which ends in an extention? Isn't that called (re-)negotiating?

[The Greek]

hire dc brent venables from clemson to coach the lb's. he coached the #1 defense in college. gene chizik from the tarheels or dave aranda from wisconsin who runs a very aggressive defense. hire one of these guys and than promote them when pees vanilla defense is killing this team next season.

[757RavensFan]

How many times do I have to post that they aren't going to re-negotiate it would be an extension.  It would be beneficial for Flacco to get an extension. They would get more money and more years with a nice big fat singing bonus.  

 

first of all, just b/c you post it doesn't mean that it's going to happen.  Secondly, renegotiate is a broad term!  Under these circumstances, all parties involved will STILL have to renegotiate if they decided to extend his contract.  

[The Greek]

just because ray lewis was a great lb does not mean he would be a great dc at some point. i see ed reed being a solid coach. wish harbs would give him a shot coaching the secondary even as an intern.

[bioLarzen]

One other thing after yesterday's press conference my take is that Steve and Ozzie have their sights on Joey Bosa and will do what it takes to get him. They both emphasized having a pass rush.

 

I think it's rather wishful thinking on our part at this point. Bosa is widely projected to go #1 - and I see no way that would happen. According to the Trade Value Chart, we should give just about EVERY SINGLE ONE of our tradable picks of this draft to trade up to the #1 spot, or multiple first and second rounders.

 

That said, the draft is a LONG way away, and we are gonna see a lot of changes in the mock drafts until that day... Maybe Bosa will slide easily down by then... Just take a look at how much chance draftniks gave us to get Maxx Williams with out FIRST ROUND pick a year ago... And then we got him in the second round...

Edited January 8, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

Listen here

 

A high second and untradeable low third to get back into the top 10 of the first... that one made me laugh

 

I suggest to the operators of this site season after season to insert a link somewhere prominent to the trade value chart in the months before the draft, because some fans just have absolutely no idea, and so come up with ideas that are just so removed from reality...

Edited January 8, 2016 by bioLarzen

[Barry S]

Steve Bisciotti did make a statement that Joe Flacco was his franchise QB going into his 9th year, so it sounds like he expects big performances from Joe. I hope he right about his expectation going into the future because Joe surely didn't show anything this year.

[boconnor]

I see the Ravens signed former QB who converted to a WR in CFL to a futures contract 6-5 Jerrod Johnson

[atomicfront]

first of all, just b/c you post it doesn't mean that it's going to happen.  Secondly, renegotiate is a broad term!  Under these circumstances, all parties involved will STILL have to renegotiate if they decided to extend his contract.  

 

Well if you have no clue about his contract or how the process plays out why comment on it?  Saying to cut a player that would provide no benefit to the team? Makes no sense.  Flacco would get more money if he were cut.  He has gotten signing bonus already. So he would sign a big contract with another team while the Ravens are still on the hook for 95 percent of his cap hit and are playing a much inferior player in his place.  

 

The team choose this route by having low cap hits of 6,8 million , 14.5 million and 14.8 million in the first 3 years.  That was their choice.  Now they are on the hook for the payments that have come due.  

[ellicottraven]

Man, Linta is back with his scary comments. This can only mean one of two things really. One, the Ravens are going to let Flacco play on his existing salary cap figure and will see how he performs this year again to come up with a fair price for his production. I can't think of any other reason why both sides wouldn't be lining up to get his extension done otherwise. It is sure depressing. But, with Mallet in tow, I would think the Ravens don't feel too threatened by Linta. But, Joe always has the opportunity to get things rolling if he does that.

[Bat-mite]

Steve Bisciotti did make a statement that Joe Flacco was his franchise QB going into his 9th year, so it sounds like he expects big performances from Joe. I hope he right about his expectation going into the future because Joe surely didn't show anything this year.

Something weird happened after Joe went out this year -- receivers started getting open.  Marlon Brown sat out, and Butler and Aiken reeled in some balls.  I wonder if Joe looked at SSS and Gillmore and ignored everyone else.  I would like to see Joe come back and do what Mallett did, but without the interceptions.  If we can field SSS, Aiken, and Perriman with Butler as an option, we might have a receiving corps.

[ellicottraven]

Steve Bisciotti did make a statement that Joe Flacco was his franchise QB going into his 9th year, so it sounds like he expects big performances from Joe. I hope he right about his expectation going into the future because Joe surely didn't show anything this year.

Yes Bisciotti is very clear about what he thinks of Flacco. He raves about him every chance he gets. However, the way he's set things up with the front office they are independent operators of the team and they do whatever is in the best interest of the team and the salary cap. Behind closed doors however, only they know what is going on with Flacco and his future with the Ravens. Let's not forget Flacco has proven to have potential to win us a SB and he can get really hot for small periods of time, especially in the playoffs. I think the Ravens are sure of what they have in Joe, but maybe they just want Linta to be aware of that as well.

[757RavensFan]

Well if you have no clue about his contract or how the process plays out why comment on it?  Saying to cut a player that would provide no benefit to the team? Makes no sense.  Flacco would get more money if he were cut.  He has gotten signing bonus already. So he would sign a big contract with another team while the Ravens are still on the hook for 95 percent of his cap hit and are playing a much inferior player in his place.  

 

The team choose this route by having low cap hits of 6,8 million , 14.5 million and 14.8 million in the first 3 years.  That was their choice.  Now they are on the hook for the payments that have come due.  

 

SHOW ME where I said cut Flacco!!!  I'll wait.  

[Tenacious Faulker]

EXCEPT FOR THE FACT that aside from Suggs (who was a tougher blow than everybody expected) defense was basically intact the majority of the season...

 

Please don't come out with Canty losing time, because Lawrence Guy played almost as effectively as him...

Canty, Will & Carl Davis, Jernigan, Jimmy, Webb, Lewis, Dume and Urban (won't count bumazz Elam) all missed time and helped (the team in the last 8 games to be the #2 defense in that span.  Suggs was the first domino to fall and you know how dominos go...  Credit Pees with cutting off the domino effect around week 8.

[Jfravens]

John Harbaugh is the greatest!

[ravenwildman]

I kind of look at the 2015 season like I do my ex-wife, yeah it happened, but hey, moving on now GO RAVENS!

[JacktheRaven]

I said Joe's cap hit was overrated. The increase in the salary cap, over the last 3 years, has solved Joe's 28mil cap hit.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

People need to relax and let the people who earned their jobs as Owner, GM, coaches, scouts, etc do their job. Rarely will everyone agree on what is best, however only those directly responsible have earned the right to make the call. No one is correct 100% of the time; die hard fans, bandwagon fans especially. The real reason the Ravens are very successful is because they tend to give themselves as many options as possible for the given situation. Not putting yourself in a corner, allows for there to be an actual choice. As opposed to just doing what NEEDS to be done otherwise. Think how many teams/gms/coachs just do what is "necessary" but really is the only option and soon find themselves out of a job. That's not management, just execution and does not require any decision making. Management is difficult due to the fact there is never a clear certainty with anything. Every choice is a risk. The lack of confidence, to take a (well researched and informed) risk definitely holds most teams back. This also is reflected on the field, from the coaches perspective. One good thing that came from this last season was the motivation factor for the whole organization/team. I am going to be expecting extra hunger in everyone's game.

[joeyclark3994]

I think if we pick at six, its got to be LT or OLB,but we will trade out,Ozzy loves him more draft picks,either one can be got in mid rounds.

[godc28]

So for the salary cap experts out there i have a question. is it possible to change the cap hit for a player mid season? Say we have a player with a cap friendly figure that swells in later years (like Joe's is doing now) and 8-10 mil in cap space. After the trade deadline passes where it isn't possible/likely we're bringing in high dollar players, could we turn around an increase that persons cap hit that year by 5-6 mil (i won't say the entire amount because injuries and promotions from PS always happen) to reduce the cap hit on a later year(s)?

[cbrook1862]

Glad the nfl is allowing teams to trade compensatory picks this year, Ozzie will use that to his full advantage to hit a home run in this years draft.

[purpledown]

the Ravens seem to be afraid of Flacco and his agent. They would rather lose valuable free agents (Osemele and Upshaw) then ask him to renegotiate.

[ellicottraven]

the Ravens seem to be afraid of Flacco and his agent. They would rather lose valuable free agents (Osemele and Upshaw) then ask him to renegotiate.

I don't think the Ravens are afraid of Joe Flacco or Linta. They could care less. The reason they're not negotiating at this point is they are comfortable if he has to play this year at his cap rate. They perhaps don't want to renegotiate and give out a stupendous contract extension for two reasons. Joe has torn both ligaments in his knee and they would like to make sure he is fully healthy and can play at a high level first. Also, they may believe that Flacco has received a reward compensation for his SB victory already with his first contract. They may now want to extend him with a contract totally commensurate with his production. Right now, they may not believe that they can give out a large extension with top dollar right now. That is exactly what Linta may want from the Ravens. So, they will do what is in the best interest of the entire team and franchise. Our front office is responsible to put together a full team that is competitive and good enough to win us a few SBs. They're not in the business of Joe Linta, whose express purpose is to get more money than any other QBs' for his client Joe Flacco. That may not help the Ravens put a complete roster that can actually help win anything. And Joe isn't a transcendental QB (Like a Brady or P. Manning or even a Rodgers) who can carry this team to SB wins with limited talent around him. In fact, he's proven that he needs a really good supporting cast to be successful.