End of Season Press Conference

[The Mom Gene]

Bisciotti is a very smart man.   VERY smart.  He's not going to watch the team fall apart.  He basically has 2 GM's.  Not every guy we draft is going to be a star.  Other teams with much higher picks have done far worst. Who knows, maybe Ozzie is grooming Eric for when he actually IS ready to retire.  Fact is, the sky isn't falling, and we will see what they can do with a 6th pick.  Until then it is what it is...  Nothing we can do will change this past season... We can only work toward 2016.

[usmccharles]

Bisciotti is a very smart man.   VERY smart.  He's not going to watch the team fall apart.  He basically has 2 GM's.  Not every guy we draft is going to be a star.  Other teams with much higher picks have done far worst. Who knows, maybe Ozzie is grooming Eric for when he actually IS ready to retire.  Fact is, the sky isn't falling, and we will see what they can do with a 6th pick.  Until then it is what it is...  Nothing we can do will change this past season... We can only work toward 2016.

This is what i find funny.  We finish 8th in total defense and 14th in total offense while missing key players at each side of the ball.   We had a down year obviously, but im excited for next year with BP coming in (its like an extra pick this year), Suggs back healthy, i think jimmy will be recovered, Webb playing more FS, Urban getting more work.  Then obviously Joe, Forsett, SSr all coming back...i feel like we will be an explosive team and cant wait to see what we do in the draft.  People want to freak out and predict a losing season for next year already because of a presser....really? 

[The Mom Gene]

This is what i find funny.  We finish 8th in total defense and 14th in total offense while missing key players at each side of the ball.   We had a down year obviously, but im excited for next year with BP coming in (its like an extra pick this year), Suggs back healthy, i think jimmy will be recovered, Webb playing more FS, Urban getting more work.  Then obviously Joe, Forsett, SSr all coming back...i feel like we will be an explosive team and cant wait to see what we do in the draft.  People want to freak out and predict a losing season for next year already because of a presser....really? 

 

I just posted this in another thread...  The NFL has the shortest season in professional sports...  We play 16 games.  We LOST 21 players to IR.  There just is not enough time to recover from these kinds of losses...  And our Defense did a phenomenal job of adjusting, improving, and correcting mistakes.  It's an absolutely ridiculous argument that some are making.

[StephenGreen]

This is what i find funny.  We finish 8th in total defense and 14th in total offense while missing key players at each side of the ball.   We had a down year obviously, but im excited for next year with BP coming in (its like an extra pick this year), Suggs back healthy, i think jimmy will be recovered, Webb playing more FS, Urban getting more work.  Then obviously Joe, Forsett, SSr all coming back...i feel like we will be an explosive team and cant wait to see what we do in the draft.  People want to freak out and predict a losing season for next year already because of a presser....really? 

 

What would ever lead anyone to think "Suggs is coming back HEALTHY"?  He has torn the same achilles TWICE.  Once, the probability of a healthy return at same levels as before is not good (http://lermagazine.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture).  Twice, no one has ever done it.  Not to mention the minor issue of weight, and the fact that the only coach he ever responded to before just left for Indy.  

 

All the guys you mentioned are good guys, good players.  But not even one of them is anyone that our division rivals would trade for.  Our problem is talent, not injuries.  Even if every injured player returned at the same level as their highest production year, we still do not have an AJ Green, an Antonio Brown, a Leveon Bell.  

 

tell the board who you would trade for on the Ravens if you were the GM of Pittsburgh or Cincy...  

Edited January 8, 2016 by StephenGreen

[StephenGreen]

I just posted this in another thread...  The NFL has the shortest season in professional sports...  We play 16 games.  We LOST 21 players to IR.  There just is not enough time to recover from these kinds of losses...  And our Defense did a phenomenal job of adjusting, improving, and correcting mistakes.  It's an absolutely ridiculous argument that some are making.

 

Every team has injuries, some teams have injuries to players that matter (like Jamaal Charles).  KC?  Where are they?  In the playoffs.  Baltimore?  Where are we?  We are watching a presser where the owner and front office staff make not even the slightest nod toward accountability while our division rivals have both youth and talent over us in spades.  

[StephenGreen]

your delusional. You say nothin they said in the presser made sense...I feel that way about your post. I don't know where you people even get this stuff from or how it could even be perceived that way.

 

The writing is on the wall for the '16 Ravens.  You can ignore it all you want.  We are significantly more likely to get lumped in with the Browns than with the Bengals and Steelers.  

 

Tell this board which members of the current Ravens squad you would trade for, if you were the GM of Cincy or Pittsburgh.  Would you trade Leveon Bell for Justin Forsett?  Would you swap AJ Green for Chrs Givins?  How about this...would you trade Big Ben to get Joe Flacco?

[usmccharles]

What would ever lead anyone to think "Suggs is coming back HEALTHY"? He has torn the same achilles TWICE. Once, the probability of a healthy return at same levels as before is not good (http://lermagazine.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture). Twice, no one has ever done it. Not to mention the minor issue of weight, and the fact that the only coach he ever responded to before just left for Indy.

All the guys you mentioned are good guys, good players. But not even one of them is anyone that our division rivals would trade for. Our problem is talent, not injuries. Even if every injured player returned at the same level as their highest production year, we still do not have an AJ Green, an Antonio Brown, a Leveon Bell.

tell the board who you would trade for on the Ravens if you were the GM of Pittsburgh or Cincy...

on my phone so I'll make a quick post. You don't have to have an elite guy at every position, you need good role players like our superbowl run

[MTRavensFan]

What would ever lead anyone to think "Suggs is coming back HEALTHY"?  He has torn the same achilles TWICE.  Once, the probability of a healthy return at same levels as before is not good (http://lermagazine.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture).  Twice, no one has ever done it.  Not to mention the minor issue of weight, and the fact that the only coach he ever responded to before just left for Indy.  

 

wrong.

It was the Right achilles in 2012, the Left one this year.

[usmccharles]

wrong.

It was the Right achilles in 2012, the Left one this year.

I love when people make arguments that can easily be proven wrong. Don't even take the time to look something up... Smh

[January J]

The writing is on the wall for the '16 Ravens. You can ignore it all you want. We are significantly more likely to get lumped in with the Browns than with the Bengals and Steelers.

Tell this board which members of the current Ravens squad you would trade for, if you were the GM of Cincy or Pittsburgh. Would you trade Leveon Bell for Justin Forsett? Would you swap AJ Green for Chrs Givins? How about this...would you trade Big Ben to get Joe Flacco?

and yet, somehow we managed to sweep them and beat them last year in the playoffs? How is that possible? Funny you pick out chris givins as an example- a guy who was just picked up midseason just to get us through the year due to several injuries. I don't even expect him to be on the team next year. Perriman could be our next big receiver, not their fault he got injured. And don't say anything about him not helping us on the sidelines..bc I could say the same thing about your example leveon bell. You just leave it up to the professionals buddy, they do this for a living. Il be sure to bookmark your comments and we will revisit them later this year when we create a playoff birth in december. Edited January 8, 2016 by January J

[ravens88]

The writing is on the wall for the '16 Ravens.  You can ignore it all you want.  We are significantly more likely to get lumped in with the Browns than with the Bengals and Steelers.  

 

Tell this board which members of the current Ravens squad you would trade for, if you were the GM of Cincy or Pittsburgh.  Would you trade Leveon Bell for Justin Forsett?  Would you swap AJ Green for Chrs Givins?  How about this...would you trade Big Ben to get Joe Flacco?

 

just incase your not a troll; Brandon Williams, Marshall Yanda, Jimmy Smith, we have corner pieces and like others have said the team finished 14th in offense and 8th in defense with the final 8 weeks being 2nd best defense in yards allowed. this team isn't that far off we need to be healthy which no team can guarantee. Add players in the draft which should allow for impact players with us picking 6th in every round plus upcoming comp picks.I don't how people think we are the browns.. with one losing season while setting an NFL record for loses less than 8 points and having 20+ people on IR. fix turnover ratio and stay healthy this is easily a playoff team like it always has been.

[RavensFanOfLA]

We have a 5-11 season. where the defense collapses routinely in the 4th quarter, giving up over 7 4th quarter leads, we are bottom in turnovers, and we do.....NOTHING to fix it. Zero, zip, nada.

 

Now the offense will get ignored for another four years while the defense is garbage. Expect even a worse season next year.

 

Have zero expectations for this team going forward in terms of any post season success. You can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

man hearing about dean pees staying really gave me that idea, and hopefully the actually try to address the offense for once i hope you aren't right but it could be the sad truth

[terrynjulia03]

Just responding to you know your post?? Not sure why a sig has to do with anything being discussed here. You criticized Decosta for drafting small school guys I simply responded.

I was speaking to his obsession for taking small school guys in the later rounds and than we expect them to produce . Guess I shouldve clarified. Look at higher level and graded talent that hes passed on. Maybe they started getting gunshy after the failures of a couple bama guys and florida.

Personally I think it goes deeper into our scouts and inability to identify talent, or perhaps the obvious disconnect with what type of players the coaches want to run their scheme, traveling through Oz and Decosta onto the lead scout and down to the region scouts. Maybe the message gets garbeled by the time it hits them so they are looking in the wrong places? Just ideas.

[terrynjulia03]

I just posted this in another thread...  The NFL has the shortest season in professional sports...  We play 16 games.  We LOST 21 players to IR.  There just is not enough time to recover from these kinds of losses...  And our Defense did a phenomenal job of adjusting, improving, and correcting mistakes.  It's an absolutely ridiculous argument that some are making.

Just screams something being wrong with our strength and conditioning program doesnt it?

But tbh alot of those guys that hit IR, especially in the later half of the season, IF we were still honestly in the hunt quite a few wouldve been out a week or 2 and come back. We IRd alot of guys this year that frankly didnt need it.

[ravensdfan]

This is what i find funny.  We finish 8th in total defense and 14th in total offense while missing key players at each side of the ball.   We had a down year obviously, but im excited for next year with BP coming in (its like an extra pick this year), Suggs back healthy, i think jimmy will be recovered, Webb playing more FS, Urban getting more work.  Then obviously Joe, Forsett, SSr all coming back...i feel like we will be an explosive team and cant wait to see what we do in the draft.  People want to freak out and predict a losing season for next year already because of a presser....really? 

I find it funny that everyone is using yardage rankings this season when their answer to complaints in 2013 were pts scored (because we ranked low in yardage totals) and it was the only stat that mattered. So let's at least stick to the same argument. Adjusting for Pick 6's , the defense ranked 21st in points per game at over 23 ppg.

[Deflated Football]

Bisciotti is a very smart man. VERY smart. He's not going to watch the team fall apart. He basically has 2 GM's. Not every guy we draft is going to be a star. Other teams with much higher picks have done far worst. Who knows, maybe Ozzie is grooming Eric for when he actually IS ready to retire. Fact is, the sky isn't falling, and we will see what they can do with a 6th pick. Until then it is what it is... Nothing we can do will change this past season... We can only work toward 2016.

Thanks for this Mom. Well said and I agree.

[usmccharles]

I find it funny that everyone is using yardage rankings this season when their answer to complaints in 2013 were pts scored (because we ranked low in yardage totals) and it was the only stat that mattered. So let's at least stick to the same argument. Adjusting for Pick 6's , the defense ranked 21st in points per game at over 23 ppg.

I never complained about 2013...there is prolly 20 different categories we could change rankings to, I simply just went off the base one

[GrimCoconut]

I was speaking to his obsession for taking small school guys in the later rounds and than we expect them to produce . Guess I shouldve clarified. Look at higher level and graded talent that hes passed on. Maybe they started getting gunshy after the failures of a couple bama guys and florida.

Personally I think it goes deeper into our scouts and inability to identify talent, or perhaps the obvious disconnect with what type of players the coaches want to run their scheme, traveling through Oz and Decosta onto the lead scout and down to the region scouts. Maybe the message gets garbeled by the time it hits them so they are looking in the wrong places? Just ideas.

You mean Nick Boyle, Ryan Jensen, Kyle Juszczyk? We're not perfect but it's not easy finding guys like them that late.

[Ravenslifer]

The writing is on the wall for the '16 Ravens.  You can ignore it all you want.  We are significantly more likely to get lumped in with the Browns than with the Bengals and Steelers.  

 

Tell this board which members of the current Ravens squad you would trade for, if you were the GM of Cincy or Pittsburgh.  Would you trade Leveon Bell for Justin Forsett?  Would you swap AJ Green for Chrs Givins?  How about this...would you trade Big Ben to get Joe Flacco?

 

I'm sorry we didn't have a top 10 pick in 2003 to get Roethlisberger or a top 5 pick in 2011 to nab Green for you - we were too busy winning and making the playoffs to land such high picks.

Edited January 8, 2016 by Ravenslifer

[usmccharles]

I'm sorry we didn't have a top 10 pick in 2003 to get Roethlisberger or a top 5 pick in 2011 to nab Green for you - we were too busy winning and making the playoffs to land such high picks.

or we didn't get 100 picks from Oakland for a retired player

[terrynjulia03]

You mean Nick Boyle, Ryan Jensen, Kyle Juszczyk? We're not perfect but it's not easy finding guys like them that late.

Oh I never said it was easy. But lets look at the facts. We havent drafted a probowler in how many years? And coinicdently according to the Ravens how long has Eric been more in charge of the draft? Coincidence? Hey remember that guy Phil that everyone thought would replace Oz and he was a genious, etc.... How long did he last in Cleve? For that matter where is he at now? Yeah. My point is honestly Oz gets a ton of blame from people, but the reasons giving the blame he hasnt even been the one. Sure hes the face, but maybe hes not calling the shots.

[GrimCoconut]

Oh I never said it was easy. But lets look at the facts. We havent drafted a probowler in how many years? And coinicdently according to the Ravens how long has Eric been more in charge of the draft? Coincidence? Hey remember that guy Phil that everyone thought would replace Oz and he was a genious, etc.... How long did he last in Cleve? For that matter where is he at now? Yeah. My point is honestly Oz gets a ton of blame from people, but the reasons giving the blame he hasnt even been the one. Sure hes the face, but maybe hes not calling the shots.

Oh I don't disagree with that premise. I found that fact possibly enlightening as well. I won't lie because when I heard that I also wondered the same. Where I disagreed was when I read the comment on small school prospects. That's one thing we've been pretty good doing.

The real question that must be answered is a question of which we won't get answered. Who is to say Ozzie isn't picking the early round guys and Eric picks the late rounders? You and I can't answer that. For all we know, it's one or the other or nether.

[terrynjulia03]

Oh I don't disagree with that premise. I found that fact possibly enlightening as well. I won't lie because when I heard that I also wondered the same. Where I disagreed was when I read the comment on small school prospects. That's one thing we've been pretty good doing.

The real question that must be answered is a question of which we won't get answered. Who is to say Ozzie isn't picking the early round guys and Eric picks the late rounders? You and I can't answer that. For all we know, it's one or the other or nether.

Very true. Bottom line though is I believe theres a disconnect somewhere along the line. And I think the comments at the pressor and "continuity" reinforced it. Harbs say I want this. The OC and DC say ok we need these type of guys to run what we want. Now when you have multiple changes at OC you get guys drafted for say a Air Croyle and suddenly we have a hybrid WC guy. Than he turns into a traitor and you bring in a different type of guy, so now your scrambling because this guy you got suddenly doesnt fit the system, and you get Trestman using Kubes playbook because thats who we made moves for. The D has been in flux because you have a incompetant at DC but 2 professionals that say hey I need x y and z guy. So they go out and get them because of the trust. Enter Mosley, Zsmith, Davis, etc...

The best teams have a single line. Were gonna do it like this. Period. And move the best people in respective to what they wanna run. Look at coaching changes around the league. The good teams will pass over a better qualified, maybe, person to get their guy in. Honestly weve failed at that recently also. Pees scheme doesnt match Trestmans. Positional coaches dont match their coordinator counterparts. We need to fix all that first.

[Militant X 1]

I guess that I'm in the minority of those who enjoyed the presser and came away more confident in our team going forward?  I loved hearing from our owner.  Bisciotti is as cool as the other side of the pillow...RIP Stewart Scott!

[usmccharles]

I guess that I'm in the minority of those who enjoyed the presser and came away more confident in our team going forward? I loved hearing from our owner. Bisciotti is as cool as the other side of the pillow...RIP Stewart Scott!

as did I. It's like some fans are mad because the FO weren't depressed

[terrynjulia03]

as did I. It's like some fans are mad because the FO weren't depressed

I think most fans were disapointed with them not saying, yes we didnt meets standards and well be making some changes. And than saying theyre gonna plan to go into the season with Joes cap hit. The single thing they even said worthwhile was that theyre planning on adding 2 receivers early. I dont want them to sound depressed. I want upbeat yeah we screwed the pooch this year, were gonna dump some dead weight and come back next year and donkeystomp the rest of the division.

[usmccharles]

I think most fans were disapointed with them not saying, yes we didnt meets standards and well be making some changes. And than saying theyre gonna plan to go into the season with Joes cap hit. The single thing they even said worthwhile was that theyre planning on adding 2 receivers early. I dont want them to sound depressed. I want upbeat yeah we screwed the pooch this year, were gonna dump some dead weight and come back next year and donkeystomp the rest of the division.

well considering the first thing steve said was disappointed. And they should be prepared to go in the season with Joe's cap hit, you always prepare for the worst Edited January 8, 2016 by usmccharles

[The Mom Gene]

Oh I never said it was easy. But lets look at the facts. We havent drafted a probowler in how many years? And coinicdently according to the Ravens how long has Eric been more in charge of the draft? Coincidence? Hey remember that guy Phil that everyone thought would replace Oz and he was a genious, etc.... How long did he last in Cleve? For that matter where is he at now? Yeah. My point is honestly Oz gets a ton of blame from people, but the reasons giving the blame he hasnt even been the one. Sure hes the face, but maybe hes not calling the shots.

 

One name.....  C.J. Mosley!

And there are a few that just haven't gotten there yet... or have... 

How many other teams have not as well....  Everybody wants a OBJr.  or an Antonio Brown, or a Calvin Johnson, or an A.J. Green...  or that big name guy...  Just curious...  How many Super Bowls do they have???

 

Just sayin guys...  relax...  We need to have some patience.

[Edgar]

Didn't seem to be much in the way of accountability. Much discussion about unfortunate injuries, poor officiating...a lot of what sounds like excuses. Seemed everyone had their arms in the air as if to suggest there was nothing that could be done.

We do need to commit to the running game...breaking news

Edited January 8, 2016 by Edgar

[ravensdfan]

I guess that I'm in the minority of those who enjoyed the presser and came away more confident in our team going forward?  I loved hearing from our owner.  Bisciotti is as cool as the other side of the pillow...RIP Stewart Scott!

What made you confident? The blaming everyone but anyone actually involved? I mean, injuries, officiating, etc etc. The yes we're disappointed in a 5-11 season but we're going to stand pat and do it all the same next year? Oh but we'll add some players. Like that is something new? Don't we add players every season?

 

No one expected panic, yelling or screaming. But some accountability would have been nice and something about how and what is going to change INTERNALLY to prevent a repeat.