[News] Late For Work 1/6: Will Lardarius Webb Accept Less Money? Ravens Coaches Leaving?

[krnraven]

I agree with Ellicot Raven that the secondary coach must go but he just got here last year. He is one of Harbs former players so we are stuck with that fool for now.

I would like us to Draft Darian Thompson from Bosie State. Hargreaves and Desmond King are good options to look at for CB. Even though the bowl games make you have to reconsider the CBs. Ramsey is better projected at safety

[The Greek]

secondary coaches must go and pay monachino $$ to stay with the promise he takes over after next season unless pees defense is struggling sooner

[Crusader]

Webbs history show he gets hurt every other year and that's next year. What sad is the top 3 cap guys after Joe are at best mediocre players the last three years. They all had a couple of good years but more bad years. I wish I had a job like that.

[utalkingtome123]

I wish some team wanted to take pees they want every other one of our coaches except him.

[utalkingtome123]

We see coaches we hate to see go, do so. When you have good coaches, that's what happens. We had to see the likes of Marvin Lewis, Jake Del Rio, Mike Smith, Rex Ryan, Pagano, Teryl Austin, Kubiak leave us for better positions over the years. This is a testament to the quality coach selection and training the Ravens have. I hope this really bad season somewhat hid the fact that Trestman did a really good job, and so he will not have HC interviews...

Our offense was struggling before injuries because of trestmans predictable and dumb play calling, commentators and fans would/could guess plays before it even happened. That bears offense in 2013 season made trestman look good not the other way around. Him and pees should be gone eve though I think trestman improved a tiny bit but at the same time he needs talent and we had none so ill cut him a little slack.

[Raven'evermore]

I know a lot of people don't like Ray Lewis for a variety of reasons, many thinking he got away with murder. But I believe he is a man who made his mistakes, learned from them, and turned a corner, and now he wants to give back. If everyone would do that, I think it would make for a better world.

  I've never had a big brother, but Ray's character would be what I would want in one.  If I survived growing up that is.

[mettro79]

I've been leaning towards the side of Pees leaving before Monachino leaving even became a possibility. Under those circumstance I don't see a reality in which we can afford to let him go.

[cigarjon68]

First person they need to fire is Chris Hewitt the secondary was the biggest failure on the team this season , there has to be someone better than Hewitt hell ask Ed Reed if he is interested in the position . Maybe he could teach Kendrick Lewis what coverage to play !

[bmoraven]

Dean needs to go before Monachino. No reason other than we need a change and can't let valuable coaches go this season more than ever.... I'm sure webby sticks around, and will retire a Free Safety as a Raven, Good leader and Solid FS. Love the Ray Lewis interview. Always makes us proud fans.

[Jfravens]

Ray Lewis is easily my Fav athlete of all time. He's the greatest!!!

[RavenManiac#7]

I don't know the financial ramifications, but if Webb won't take a Fair pay cut, considering the fact that he isn't a proven top safety yet, then I say cut him. Again, though, I don't know the financial ramifications. By that, I mean, is there a lot of dead money involved? I was calling for KO to get tried at LT for quite a while before it finally happened. But, of course, while it was during Monroe's many absences, it Was this season, not last year's. I don't see it happening, again because of dead money, but I would SO much rather see Monroe gone and KO re-signed to be our LT. Cutting Monroe would be costly, and KO will be even more costly to re-sign. If only some LT desperate team would be willing to take a chance and trade for Monroe, just perhaps, we could use Monroe's salary savings and money from Joe's restructure and find a way to keep KO. I Do realize I'm almost certainly dreaming on that one, but I sure would like to see it happen. By the way, I think Suggs is going to retire. He just doesn't seem to have the desire and the fire to play anymore. I read that although his achilles injury was much earlier than SSS's, SSS is already walking around in a walking boot, while Suggs is still in his. With SSS being the older of the two, and having more recent surgery for the same injury, it may show us who is working harder in rehab. Of course, it could also mean that Suggs's achilles injury was more severe than SSS's, but Suggs even last year was hinting that this past season might be his last. I will be surprised if he decides to continue playing. Just a hunch, that's all. Certainly, I have No inside information. We'll see.

[RavenManiac#7]

Sorry, I made an error in that last post. I meant to say that SSS is already OUT of his walking boot, while Suggs is not.

[budman]

First person they need to fire is Chris Hewitt the secondary was the biggest failure on the team this season , there has to be someone better than Hewitt hell ask Ed Reed if he is interested in the position . Maybe he could teach Kendrick Lewis what coverage to play !

Ed Reed was already asked if he wants to coach and he replied "Yes, I'm waiting for the phone to ring" and he chuckled.

[WNC-Raven]

Well, technically that's not true either.

 

We will certainly have "dead money" from a salary cap perspective if we cut these guys (a lot actually), but from a pure how much the player is going to get paid perspective, we owe them nothing.

 

We still have prorated bonuses for these guys that we have to recognize if we cut them, but we wouldn't actually have to pay them anything.

You do realize you are not making any sense right? You said we could cut them tomorrow and not owe them a dime. Now you are telling me we would owe them "a lot" in dead money. Which one is it? Money is money. I could see your point if we owed them money that didnt affect our cap next year but that is not the case. Please clarify

[Moderator 3]

You do realize you are not making any sense right? You said we could cut them tomorrow and not owe them a dime. Now you are telling me we would owe them "a lot" in dead money. Which one is it? Money is money. I could see your point if we owed them money that didnt affect our cap next year but that is not the case. Please clarify

We would not have to pay any money directly to the player, but the dead money takes up cap space that we can not spend on a replacement.

[WNC-Raven]

We would not have to pay any money directly to the player, but the dead money takes up cap space that we can not spend on a replacement.

I'm not a cap expert by any means so can you please explain why any number other than the cap number matters? I sincerely can't see why. Thanks

[Moderator 3]

I'm not a cap expert by any means so can you please explain why any number other than the cap number matters? I sincerely can't see why. Thanks

We are talking about the cap number. Dead money is money against the cap for players no longer on the team.

[WNC-Raven]

We are talking about the cap number. Dead money is money against the cap for players no longer on the team.

Thanks but I am still confused. My confusion started when rmcjacket said the following "In Webb's case, we don't owe him another dime. If we cut him tomorrow, he will get nothing more from us, despite his contract dictating that he is owed $11M over the next two years. We wouldn't have to pay him a dime of that, because none of that money is guaranteed."

If you have the time please take one more minute to explain how that is true. In my suborn mind I can't see why any number but the cap number matters when releasing players. Current salary or dead money it all affects the cap. That's why I keep saying all that matters is the cap and thus you can not say that we dont owe him a single dime. If it hits the cap then it is the same as paying him to leave. Thank you for your help.

[Moderator 3]

The difference is that the salary "owed" is not guaranteed and will not be paid to him. That money also has no impact on the cap. The cap impact is from the proration of the signing bonus.

Here's a very simplified example.

We sign player X to a 5 year contract and pay him a signing bonus of $25 million. The bonus is prorated against the cap at $5 million per year for the 5 years. We also agree to pay him a non-guaranteed salary of $2 million per year. He then has a cap hit of $7 million per year for 5 years AS LONG AS he's still on the team. If we cut him after 3 years, we don't have to pay him the remaining $4 million of salary BUT we have to take a cap hit (dead money) of $10 million for the prorated signing bonus.

[verified]

cut or trade web

[cigarjon68]

Ed Reed was already asked if he wants to coach and he replied "Yes, I'm waiting for the phone to ring" and he chuckled.

Its a damn shame John's ego will not let the next Ravens H.O.F coach in Buffalo of all places with Rex Ryan