[News] Late For Work 1/6: Will Lardarius Webb Accept Less Money? Ravens Coaches Leaving?

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[The Greek]

if they let ted monachino leave for the colts dc job instead of giving him the dc job here than harbs is nuts. this guy will make for a fantastic dc

[BmoreB]

Interesting, the Webb pros of good hands and ball skills. They left out the big con, lack of speed. What good are hand and ball skills if you're not in position to use them ? Time to part ways with Webb and time for T Brooks to take over at FS.

[WNC-Raven]

The writer's on this site have got to stop complaining about Webb and his high salary. There is no reason he should reduce his salary. This is a business and our front office is to blame not Webb. It's like saying oh whoops we messed up on your legally binding contract, lets just fix that real quick. What world do you live in because it must be nice to think that way. You should be more concerned about the huge long term contract they gave Pita just after he had a career ending type of injury. Someone needs to lose their job in our FO. This roster is being mismanaged at the moment. If it's ozzie then maybe he has lost his touch, if it is steve then he should stop and if it is decosta trying to ease his way in then he is not ready. Stop blaming the players, they are the scapegoat for a poorly run front office. Something that feels strange to write but is becoming increasingly clear.

Edited January 6, 2016 by WNC-Raven

[trevorsteadman]

Ted Monachino needs to stay here. He has made our linebackers play at such a high level for so many seasons. If he walks out the door I am afraid of a less experienced coach coming in and taking over and having our linebacker core be depleted. One position we rarely draft wrong is linebacker and I think we have had a lot more success than most teams drafting linebackers. I am all for Webb moving to safety and hopefully they restructure his contract. I want us to also resign Wright who was really really good the last couple weeks. Our secondary played very well the last couple weeks which was under the radar and if we can get a pass rush going again then we could be a very good defense.

[whobilly]

So if Webb doesn't take less he becomes a cap casualty and takes even less elsewhere.

Wouldn't have a problem with the elite money if here was performing like an elite player.

[trevorsteadman]

Interesting, the Webb pros of good hands and ball skills. They left out the big con, lack of speed. What good are hand and ball skills if you're not in position to use them ? Time to part ways with Webb and time for T Brooks to take over at FS.

Brooks cannot stay on the field.. He has been banged up. He has shown glimpses but has not shown enough to give him the job. As much as Kendrick Lewis failed to impress here last year, I wouldn't be surprised if he played a lot better in his second year in our defense. The Ravens defense is a hybrid 3-4 and that is difficult to catch onto as a defender in year one, somehow Mosley did it as a rookie and I was surprised by that, but seeing free agents come in such as Daryl Smith and Elvis Dumevil, both played at a higher level in year two. Our secondary needs help, but let's be honest Ed Reed his last couple years was not as fast as his prime. He still made plays and Webb may do the same. I am interested in seeing how this plays out, and hopefully if we do have a couple players who can both play cornerback and safety we can give teams trick looks to get more turnovers. I liked the three safety sets the Saints used when they were good like three years ago on defense.

[Dorota]

I think Clarence Brooks is staying. But either one of them is not a coach we want to lose. DL & LB are the two best managed units in our D.

[January J]

Weddle would be making less than webb ? Shoot- I'd make that swap in a heartbeat. It is good to have somebody that can move around in a pinch though. That alone may be worth the money. I don't know- il leave that stuff up to the proffesionals.

Monachino might not have to go anywhere if they finally kick pees to the curb. much easier transition.

And man if suggs is already not a ray of sunshine if he loses his buddy monachino he's gonna go over the deep end.

[stixfix69]

Can we trade Pees to the Colts for a UDFA?? bah ha ha...Off-season's are soooooo longgggggggggg....

[757RavensFan]

Suggs losing Ngata last year and Monachino this year plus trying to recover could easily be enough for him to say, "I'm done"!  

[stixfix69]

Webb brings another aspect to the position....He is a very solid tackler, was one of the best as a CB earlier in his career, and never shied away from contact....Maybe take a 1 mil cut, see how he does with a full season at FS, and go from there, but we are not in a position to give up on a player who play slot CB and FS.....The way we have gone through CB's over the last 2 years he is valuable as a player who can play both....

[stixfix69]

I really want to see CB get a shot as our DC if Pees ever leaves....Players loved Pags and showed it on the field, and the players love CB.....I don't feel that connection with Pees and the players...JMO....

[FloridalovesRavens]

Anyone thinking our FO is to blame for injured players and lack of production by others needs their heads examined. This has been and still is the best in the business and one less than productive season does not change that fact. So let's get off the fire FO staff and look forward to a better 2016 season.

[BmoreB]

Brooks cannot stay on the field.. He has been banged up. He has shown glimpses but has not shown enough to give him the job. As much as Kendrick Lewis failed to impress here last year, I wouldn't be surprised if he played a lot better in his second year in our defense. The Ravens defense is a hybrid 3-4 and that is difficult to catch onto as a defender in year one, somehow Mosley did it as a rookie and I was surprised by that, but seeing free agents come in such as Daryl Smith and Elvis Dumevil, both played at a higher level in year two. Our secondary needs help, but let's be honest Ed Reed his last couple years was not as fast as his prime. He still made plays and Webb may do the same. I am interested in seeing how this plays out, and hopefully if we do have a couple players who can both play cornerback and safety we can give teams trick looks to get more turnovers. I liked the three safety sets the Saints used when they were good like three years ago on defense.

I respectfully and completely disagree. Webb is descending and has been for some time now as the knee injuries have taken their toll. Brooks has way more upside than any player on the team playing safety at this point. Lewis had one, literally one good play all year long. So an additional off season, training camp in the Ravens system isn't going to do a thing for this guy. He's awful, God awful.

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

Guess who declared for the draft yesterday? Guess who missed out on him 2 weeks ago? Guess who is still going to the playoffs? Guess who the REAL losers are in the end? Guess who will be a perennial loser if we do not fire Dean Pees ASAP? (Hint: the answer to questions 2, 4 and 5 is the same)

[stixfix69]

Not a Pees fan, but in his defense Lewis was to QB the secondary and make the calls, and i feel a lot of the blown coverage's could have been made from him making the wrong call....

[ksk316]

Guess who declared for the draft yesterday? Guess who missed out on him 2 weeks ago? Guess who is still going to the playoffs? Guess who the REAL losers are in the end? Guess who will be a perennial loser if we do not fire Dean Pees ASAP? (Hint: the answer to questions 2, 4 and 5 is the same)

Funny but Ramsey could be a bust..who knows? The Browns drafted Justin Gilbert in Rd #1...where is he now? 

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

Answer key to the questions below. 1) yesmaR nelaJ 2) snevaR 3) hgrubsttiP 4) snevaR 5) snevaR (answers are written backwards)

[January J]

Guess who declared for the draft yesterday? Guess who missed out on him 2 weeks ago? Guess who is still going to the playoffs? Guess who the REAL losers are in the end? Guess who will be a perennial loser if we do not fire Dean Pees ASAP? (Hint: the answer to questions 2, 4 and 5 is the same)

if your talking about Ramsey we certainly haven't missed out on him..he is very much in range at pick 6. And I'm not so sure he'd be the smartest pick anyway. Bosa and Tunsil are pretty much the only prospects we played ourselves out of.

[bioLarzen]

We see coaches we hate to see go, do so. When you have good coaches, that's what happens. We had to see the likes of Marvin Lewis, Jake Del Rio, Mike Smith, Rex Ryan, Pagano, Teryl Austin, Kubiak leave us for better positions over the years. This is a testament to the quality coach selection and training the Ravens have. I hope this really bad season somewhat hid the fact that Trestman did a really good job, and so he will not have HC interviews...

[trevorsteadman]

I respectfully and completely disagree. Webb is descending and has been for some time now as the knee injuries have taken their toll. Brooks has way more upside than any player on the team playing safety at this point. Lewis had one, literally one good play all year long. So an additional off season, training camp in the Ravens system isn't going to do a thing for this guy. He's awful, God awful.

Webb has been one of the most consistent players on our defense. He is in decline from 5 years ago, yes I would agree. But playing Nickel and the role he has this year he has been really good. The problem a lot of people have is his salary. He is getting paid #1 cornerback money as a #3 slot cornerback. He is one of the best in the league in the slot, problem is we cannot afford it. That is why this move to FS makes sense. It gives him more playing time. It also will help us find a FS and we will not have to attack it in free agency. In my opinion I bet he has a run for his money because Kendrick Lewis will be a lot better year 2. He will have to restructure most likely again this year.

[bioLarzen]

if your talking about Ramsey we certainly haven't missed out on him..he is very much in range at pick 6. And I'm not so sure he'd be the smartest pick anyway. Bosa and Tunsil are pretty much the only prospects we played ourselves out of.

 

It's way too early for serious draft prognoses. The combine can make a huge difference. Also, an injury or an off-teh-field issue in the remaining months can wipe names off the board in the matter of hours... Just remember, for example, how nobody really gave us a chance to be even close to get Maxx Williams in the FIRST round at #25 a couple of months before the draft...

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

January J, I am willing to bet anything Jalen Ramsey will NOT be there at #6. And you could only wish we ended up with his caliber of play with our first pick. Bosa = meh. Tunsil I don't know enough about him to comment. Now we have to wait and see. We will revisit this topic in 4 months. Enjoy the playoffs buddy.

[rmcjacket23]

The writer's on this site have got to stop complaining about Webb and his high salary. There is no reason he should reduce his salary. This is a business and our front office is to blame not Webb. It's like saying oh whoops we messed up on your legally binding contract, lets just fix that real quick. What world do you live in because it must be nice to think that way. You should be more concerned about the huge long term contract they gave Pita just after he had a career ending type of injury. Someone needs to lose their job in our FO. This roster is being mismanaged at the moment. If it's ozzie then maybe he has lost his touch, if it is steve then he should stop and if it is decosta trying to ease his way in then he is not ready. Stop blaming the players, they are the scapegoat for a poorly run front office. Something that feels strange to write but is becoming increasingly clear.

I partially agree, though I think you are ignoring the fact that the reason we would want to reduce his salary is because he's changing positions to a position that costs significantly less league-wide.

 

That's not an indictment of messing up the contract... that's the cost of changing positions so that you can keep your job. 

 

In reality, if Webb is serious about moving to safety, regardless of whether its on this team or not, then he'd certainly find it incredibly difficult, bordering on impossible to find a team willing to pay him $5.5M (currently what the Ravens will pay him in 2016) to play a position where no team has any idea of he can even play it.

 

I'm not convinced he'd get $5.5M as a corner, let alone as a safety. So, if he recognizes this, he's basically left with 3 realistic options:

 

1. Refuse to take a paycut, Ravens agree to pay him the $5.5M

2. Refuse to take a paycut, Ravens cut him, he goes into FA where he will most likely make less than $5.5M

3. Agree to take a paycut that is more in-line with his future position, stay with the only team he's ever played for.

 

Note that 2 of those three options result in him taking a paycut, and the third option is basically completely out of his control.

 

We can also completely disregard the "binding contract" argument, because its basically not a binding contract. Once the guaranteed money is gone, every single player is on a 1 year contract. Like you said, its a business... and that's the business.

 

I don't always blame players for contract situations, but a large piece of the problem falls on them. After all, if Webb were actually PLAYING BETTER, would be having this discussion? Did you ever ask yourself why he is changing positions? If he was a great corner who was living up to this contract in production... would he be changing positions?

 

You do understand that in most cases, a "bad contract" by fans standards is mostly at the fault of the player correct? How often do we complain about "bad contracts" when the player is playing well? Why is that? 

 

The answer is... because "bad contracts" are largely create by bad play. And who is responsible for bad play? Well, that would be the player.

 

It all comes full circle...

[BmoreB]

Webb has been one of the most consistent players on our defense. He is in decline from 5 years ago, yes I would agree. But playing Nickel and the role he has this year he has been really good. The problem a lot of people have is his salary. He is getting paid #1 cornerback money as a #3 slot cornerback. He is one of the best in the league in the slot, problem is we cannot afford it. That is why this move to FS makes sense. It gives him more playing time. It also will help us find a FS and we will not have to attack it in free agency. In my opinion I bet he has a run for his money because Kendrick Lewis will be a lot better year 2. He will have to restructure most likely again this year.

Time will tell

[PalmBayRaven]

Anyone thinking our FO is to blame for injured players and lack of production by others needs their heads examined. This has been and still is the best in the business and one less than productive season does not change that fact. So let's get off the fire FO staff and look forward to a better 2016 season.

The FO is not responsible for the injured players but they sure are responsible for poor draft picks and lack of production from the other guys. Who picked those guys Matt Elam? Bust. Arthur Brown, Bust. If not them then who? They picked them and maybe we should have done our due diligence?

[callahan09]

If the Colts try to nab Monachino, I say we need to fire Pees and promote him here. No way should we let Monachino go to a different team while Pees stays in his position and his potential successor is now gone. That would be a travesty in my opinion.

[WNC-Raven]

I partially agree, though I think you are ignoring the fact that the reason we would want to reduce his salary is because he's changing positions to a position that costs significantly less league-wide.

 

That's not an indictment of messing up the contract... that's the cost of changing positions so that you can keep your job. 

 

In reality, if Webb is serious about moving to safety, regardless of whether its on this team or not, then he'd certainly find it incredibly difficult, bordering on impossible to find a team willing to pay him $5.5M (currently what the Ravens will pay him in 2016) to play a position where no team has any idea of he can even play it.

 

I'm not convinced he'd get $5.5M as a corner, let alone as a safety. So, if he recognizes this, he's basically left with 3 realistic options:

 

1. Refuse to take a paycut, Ravens agree to pay him the $5.5M

2. Refuse to take a paycut, Ravens cut him, he goes into FA where he will most likely make less than $5.5M

3. Agree to take a paycut that is more in-line with his future position, stay with the only team he's ever played for.

 

Note that 2 of those three options result in him taking a paycut, and the third option is basically completely out of his control.

 

We can also completely disregard the "binding contract" argument, because its basically not a binding contract. Once the guaranteed money is gone, every single player is on a 1 year contract. Like you said, its a business... and that's the business.

 

I don't always blame players for contract situations, but a large piece of the problem falls on them. After all, if Webb were actually PLAYING BETTER, would be having this discussion? Did you ever ask yourself why he is changing positions? If he was a great corner who was living up to this contract in production... would he be changing positions?

 

How often do we complain about "bad contracts" when the player is playing well? Why is that? 

 

The answer is... because "bad contracts" are largely create by bad play. And who is responsible for bad play? Well, that would be the player.

 

It all comes full circle...

It is the players fault for not living up to their contract. It is the Front Office's fault for over paying them in the first place. What you are describing sounds more like buyer's remorse to me.

Their contracts are binding. We have the right to release him but will still have to pay him the bulk of his contract. That would allow another team to make a low offer to him while he is paid by us for leaving. Happens all the time.

Yes, bad contracts are created by bad play. Much like buying a used car that runs great the first year but has constant issues after that. You don't go back to the seller and renegotiate. It is the responsibility of the buyer (FO) to do your due diligence before making the purchase.

[callahan09]

I really like that Superman tattoo on SSR's arm. It really stands out. It's pretty cool. Most guys who are all tatted up just look like they're full of a jumble of ink and I can't make out what any of their tattoos are unless I really look carefully and try to figure it out, and even then sometimes I can't figure it out. But that one is really clear, which is pretty cool. Sorry for the sidetrack. Excited to see him in purple for a third year!