Who should we take at #6?

[allblackraven]

how do those policies work?

Not 100% sure but I'm guessing he would have to have written appraisal from the NFL giving him 1st round grade. Then if he declares and gets selected outside of 1st, he collects. It's probably also scaled payout, depending how much later he gets selected.

[GrimCoconut]

So he's a Sith Lord?

Darth Bosa...

 

...it all makes sense now.

[Inqui]

Not 100% sure but I'm guessing he would have to have written appraisal from the NFL giving him 1st round grade. Then if he declares and gets selected outside of 1st, he collects. It's probably also scaled payout, depending how much later he gets selected.

Maybe he could point his provider to some of the mocks in this forum.

 

What I'm curious about his how he pays the premium. Isn't he supposed to be broke (being a student)?

[GrimCoconut]

Speaking of this, this is something I had an idea on recently, but what would you guys think if the NFL let guys come into the league earlier? I am all for education, don't get me wrong, but to be honest, I think if these guys truly want to be football players then let them. Yeah, I'm saying let them go into the NFL out of high school or even in their freshman years of college. I say this because there is a serious lack of discipline and technique in the NFL that is diminishing the product. Perhaps if these guys came out early they could be developed by the teams more and learn how to be an NFL player. 

 

The NFL would have to do something drastic, such as not make their salaries count towards the cap, limit the use of these players (such as require they remain in training for a certain period of time), possibly make them almost like practice squad players with longer contracts, but I think this could really work. I doubt teams would invest high first round picks in high school or even freshmen players due to the risk, which would still provide incentive for players to go to college to get their education. I just feel like this would do some good for those who want it. I don't think players would automatically forget about school because even now you have guys staying in school to finish their degrees.

[allblackraven]

Maybe he could point his provider to some of the mocks in this forum.

 

What I'm curious about his how he pays the premium. Isn't he supposed to be broke (being a student)?

Agent?

[GrimCoconut]

Maybe he could point his provider to some of the mocks in this forum.

 

What I'm curious about his how he pays the premium. Isn't he supposed to be broke (being a student)?

His agent probably pays it for him. I assume he has one. 

[allblackraven]

Speaking of this, this is something I had an idea on recently, but what would you guys think if the NFL let guys come into the league earlier? I am all for education, don't get me wrong, but to be honest, I think if these guys truly want to be football players then let them. Yeah, I'm saying let them go into the NFL out of high school or even in their freshman years of college. I say this because there is a serious lack of discipline and technique in the NFL that is diminishing the product. Perhaps if these guys came out early they could be developed by the teams more and learn how to be an NFL player. 

 

The NFL would have to do something drastic, such as not make their salaries count towards the cap, limit the use of these players (such as require they remain in training for a certain period of time), possibly make them almost like practice squad players with longer contracts, but I think this could really work. I doubt teams would invest high first round picks in high school or even freshmen players due to the risk, which would still provide incentive for players to go to college to get their education. I just feel like this would do some good for those who want it. I don't think players would automatically forget about school because even now you have guys staying in school to finish their degrees.

The only way that would work would be some sort of developmental league where these guys would compete. You can only do so much in practice to improve your game. and that could get real expensive real quick.

[52520Andrew]

Speaking of this, this is something I had an idea on recently, but what would you guys think if the NFL let guys come into the league earlier? I am all for education, don't get me wrong, but to be honest, I think if these guys truly want to be football players then let them. Yeah, I'm saying let them go into the NFL out of high school or even in their freshman years of college. I say this because there is a serious lack of discipline and technique in the NFL that is diminishing the product. Perhaps if these guys came out early they could be developed by the teams more and learn how to be an NFL player. 

 

The NFL would have to do something drastic, such as not make their salaries count towards the cap, limit the use of these players (such as require they remain in training for a certain period of time), possibly make them almost like practice squad players with longer contracts, but I think this could really work. I doubt teams would invest high first round picks in high school or even freshmen players due to the risk, which would still provide incentive for players to go to college to get their education. I just feel like this would do some good for those who want it. I don't think players would automatically forget about school because even now you have guys staying in school to finish their degrees.

 

Don't know if I would for anyone straight out of high school but cutting it back a year could be interesting. I think one year would be too much turnover and lead to it being like college basketball where guys are one and done and there are very few guys who this would apply to coming out of high school so I think cutting that back does more harm than good. It would change quite a bit in the college football landscape though.

[GrimCoconut]

The only way that would work would be some sort of developmental league where these guys would compete. You can only do so much in practice to improve your game. and that could get real expensive real quick.

Don't know if I would for anyone straight out of high school but cutting it back a year could be interesting. I think one year would be too much turnover and lead to it being like college basketball where guys are one and done and there are very few guys who this would apply to coming out of high school so I think cutting that back does more harm than good. It would change quite a bit in the college football landscape though.

Yeah, those are some good points. I was just wondering the ethical considerations for my own entertainment here. It's true that practice only helps so much, although what a lot of these guys really lack as well is coaching of fundamentals. Lately it seems a lot of defensive players are losing the fundamentals that used to be drilled into them. I don't know what happened. 

[Clmraven]

Speaking of this, this is something I had an idea on recently, but what would you guys think if the NFL let guys come into the league earlier? I am all for education, don't get me wrong, but to be honest, I think if these guys truly want to be football players then let them. Yeah, I'm saying let them go into the NFL out of high school or even in their freshman years of college. I say this because there is a serious lack of discipline and technique in the NFL that is diminishing the product. Perhaps if these guys came out early they could be developed by the teams more and learn how to be an NFL player. 

 

The NFL would have to do something drastic, such as not make their salaries count towards the cap, limit the use of these players (such as require they remain in training for a certain period of time), possibly make them almost like practice squad players with longer contracts, but I think this could really work. I doubt teams would invest high first round picks in high school or even freshmen players due to the risk, which would still provide incentive for players to go to college to get their education. I just feel like this would do some good for those who want it. I don't think players would automatically forget about school because even now you have guys staying in school to finish their degrees.

I like the idea, but the league would have to implement some kind of developmental squad. Also it should be limited to guys who have tremendous talent coming out of highschool so pretty much 5 star recruits only should be able to come out early IMO.

[KDUBB44]

Walterfootball has us taking A'Shawn Robinson at 6? I think we're going trenches this year. Thoughts on us taking Robinson?

http://walterfootball.com/draft2016.php

[JoeyFlex5]

Maybe he could point his provider to some of the mocks in this forum.

What I'm curious about his how he pays the premium. Isn't he supposed to be broke (being a student)?

probably an agent pays it for an extra percentage when he goes pro

[Cillmatic]

Speaking of this, this is something I had an idea on recently, but what would you guys think if the NFL let guys come into the league earlier? I am all for education, don't get me wrong, but to be honest, I think if these guys truly want to be football players then let them. Yeah, I'm saying let them go into the NFL out of high school or even in their freshman years of college. I say this because there is a serious lack of discipline and technique in the NFL that is diminishing the product. Perhaps if these guys came out early they could be developed by the teams more and learn how to be an NFL player.

The NFL would have to do something drastic, such as not make their salaries count towards the cap, limit the use of these players (such as require they remain in training for a certain period of time), possibly make them almost like practice squad players with longer contracts, but I think this could really work. I doubt teams would invest high first round picks in high school or even freshmen players due to the risk, which would still provide incentive for players to go to college to get their education. I just feel like this would do some good for those who want it. I don't think players would automatically forget about school because even now you have guys staying in school to finish their degrees.

8 high school kids died from football last year. Kids that age aren't physically ready to get their heads bashed in by 300 LB men.

[Italian Raven]

Tread in the slot? sign me up...

I honestly see him better on the outside catching back-shoulders.. that's where he could dominate with his insane body control. But he's not a slot guy, just as much as he ain't no possession WR.. pretty sure you guys misinterpretate that "possession".

 

treadwell, he is a #1 wr, he can do it all without leaning on athleticism as a crutch but still offering the level of athleticism needed to be a teams top option. His ability to get open with savvy routes, catch anything thrown his way, and bully opposing dbs, is just a great combination and even though he won't blow the combine our of the water, he will produce at a high level in any system. Just a natural wr and a talented one

Joey you don't have to try to impress me,I know you have a crush .I like the guy more then I liked White last year and I would like him in a ravens' uniform too, just not as much as Hargreaves or Buckner, who are scheme-fit; however you didn't give me yet any solution to the "possession" attribute I previously mentioned.

I didn't label him as such (for real), so let's get over it.

Point is I don't think he's a realistic option for an organization that tends to invest money and picks in the trenches and that has lately proved how much a good playcalling helps even the most depleted WR corps .

We could end up taking Thomas, Fuller in the 2nd, a Shepard, Robinson, or Dural in the 3rd giving us the same kind of production and letting us fill greatly one other big need at the same time.

[JoeyFlex5]

I honestly see him better on the outside catching back-shoulders.. that's where he could dominate with his insane body control. But he's not a slot guy, just as much as he ain't no possession WR.. pretty sure you guys misinterpretate that "possession".

Joey you don't have to try to impress me,I know you have a crush .I like the guy more then I liked White last year and I would like him in a ravens' uniform too, just not as much as Hargreaves or Buckner, who are scheme-fit; however you didn't give me yet any solution to the "possession" attribute I previously mentioned.

I didn't label him as such (for real), so let's get over it.

Point is I don't think he's a realistic option for an organization that tends to invest money and picks in the trenches and that has lately proved how much a good playcalling helps even the most depleted WR corps .

We could end up taking Thomas, Fuller in the 2nd, a Shepard, Robinson, or Dural in the 3rd giving us the same kind of production and letting us fill greatly one other big need at the same time.

all I was saying was that a possession wr is someone with a narrow skill set and specific role of short range dependability, and I'm just pointing out that I think treadwell is more than serviceable at all ranges of the field. I wasn't trying to put your words in your mouth just to clear that up lol

[GrimCoconut]

8 high school kids died from football last year. Kids that age aren't physically ready to get their heads bashed in by 300 LB men.

Well, I agree. I don't think they should play and would be required to sit for years before being allowed to play. It's more of a developmental thing than anything. That said, it's not like they're coming out before or during high school. I said after high school, meaning they should have graduated.

[beanfigger]

That looks like a LOT of options to us even in this "worst case scenario." Man, a top ten pick surely makes a big difference.

I think it would be amazing if we did pick Treadwell, but I just don't see it happening.

[JoeyFlex5]

That looks like a LOT of options to us even in this "worst case scenario." Man, a top ten pick surely makes a big difference.

I think it would be amazing if we did pick Treadwell, but I just don't see it happening.

lol last year it was between bud dupree and marcus peters, and alot of us didnt even want dupree... and we had no shot at either. i enjoy draft season just asmuch as football season and this makes it a lot more fun.

[Cillmatic]

Well, I agree. I don't think they should play and would be required to sit for years before being allowed to play. It's more of a developmental thing than anything. That said, it's not like they're coming out before or during high school. I said after high school, meaning they should have graduated.

Why sit out of games for years and rust when you could just go to college to improve on your skills in an actual game setting? The system's fine as it is.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I think the biggest wrench could be the Browns. For some reason I have a feeling that if Chip doesn't go to the Titans and reunites with Mariota that he will go to Cleveland where they might give him GM power and he'll try and play with Johnny football

[allblackraven]

I think the biggest wrench could be the Browns. For some reason I have a feeling that if Chip doesn't go to the Titans and reunites with Mariota that he will go to Cleveland where they might give him GM power and he'll try and play with Johnny football

Nah. Not even GM has a GM power in Cleveland. It's a baseball guy and Haslam's wife.

[KDUBB44]

I think the biggest wrench could be the Browns. For some reason I have a feeling that if Chip doesn't go to the Titans and reunites with Mariota that he will go to Cleveland where they might give him GM power and he'll try and play with Johnny football

Don't understand why people have the Browns taking anything else besides a qb in their mock drafts. New regime=new qb. Don't see how the browns can start next year with a new coach and Manziel/McCown as their qb. I think it'll eventually come down to Goff or Lynch

[Cillmatic]

Honestly, there's no DB worth taking in the top 10 this season. Not impressed with Ramsey, Alexander is Hilloman 2.0, King is staying in school and Hargreaves fell apart.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Robbyrobbass]

After watching that Treadwell will be our pick

[Cillmatic]

After watching that Treadwell will be our pick

God I hope so, I'm hoping that Bosa, the LT's and Hargreaves are off the board so that Ozzie HAS to pick Laquon.

[Deflated Football]

Treadwell all day. Please make it happen Ozzie

[Cillmatic]

Check these gifs of Laquan Treadwell and then tell me he shouldn't be the ONE?

Image: https://d3murf.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/treadwellhitch.gif

Image: https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/I8x-oUu2io6SS3SPfvI0EXLiT5E=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4217027/twe.0.gif

Image: https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/laquan-treadwell-one-hand-catch.gif?w=1000

Image: https://d3murf.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/bullyballlt1.gif

Image: https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/FB99VnQpKGLPv5HAuPMFB8jo0bI=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4195065/treadwell.0.gif

The third one - a one handed catch was made to look so effortless, it is ridiculous! This kid is like a combination of Dez, Julio and Odell Beckham. Lethal weapon on offense if we can get him! He'll make Flacco look so dang good it's not even funny.

(Just bumping this so others can see it)

The film speaks for itself.

[Sizzlebshu]

Honestly, there's no DB worth taking in the top 10 this season. Not impressed with Ramsey, Alexander is Hilloman 2.0, King is staying in school and Hargreaves fell apart.

One bad game from a guy who otherwise has had a phenomenal career and tape to watch. 

[Sizzlebshu]

Don't understand why people have the Browns taking anything else besides a qb in their mock drafts. New regime=new qb. Don't see how the browns can start next year with a new coach and Manziel/McCown as their qb. I think it'll eventually come down to Goff or Lynch

Essentially 

 

The only QB with the technical skills worth taking is Goff, but he has arm strength and schedule issues. These arm strength issues are a concern especially when you go to a team like Cleveland who have their home games in nasty outdoor weather.That interception streak against strong and fast defensive teams is also a concern. 

 

The only QB with the physical tools doesn't have the technical stuff down to a solid enough point. 

 

Cleveland is in a place where they can't afford to miss on a pick this high. They can't afford another 1st round miss (altho I think player development has more to do with this than anything else) 

[Sizzlebshu]

Nah. Not even GM has a GM power in Cleveland. It's a baseball guy and Haslam's wife.

fwiw, the guy with control over the 53 man roster supposedly has it in an arbitrator kind of role. This basically lets roster conflicts between the coach and the GM be decided quickly, easily, and internally.