Who should we take at #6?

[ravensnation5220]

Our top need is still the corner position. Webb is moved to free safety and has accepted that so now we need another guy to work with smith. I would rather get the best corner on the board in a strong class like alexander than the best wide receiver in a weak class in treadwell. Im not saying treadwell is a bad prospect i just feel that if he were in last years draft he might only be the 3rd best receiver commimg out and would be picked outside the top 10. Ive heard a lot of talk on this thread about how alexander fails to tackle and get off blocks and tgere was evidence of that in fsu tape, however i saw him fail to tackle dalvin cook in open space which is hard for anyone and the only time i saw him have trouble getting off blocks was against tackles and tight ends. Besides in that game he allowed only 2 receptions with no tds on 7 targets (one was pass interference which was a bad call in my eyes). He stayed step for step in that game against one of the fastest players in the country in kermit Whitefield. This kid is such a competitor that during his rs freshman season before their bowl game vs Oklahoma he stayed behind as his teammates went to dysney so he could study film on Oklahoma. He already has notes on his own teammates receivers to better prepare himself for his professional career. He loves football and takes it seriously. I hear talk of people prefering vh3 over him because hes a better tackler. Lol watch the Tennessee tape. He might be even worse

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/vernon-hargreaves-iii-vs-tennessee-2015/

[JoeyFlex5]

Our top need is still the corner position. Webb is moved to free safety and has accepted that so now we need another guy to work with smith. I would rather get the best corner on the board in a strong class like alexander than the best wide receiver in a weak class in treadwell. Im not saying treadwell is a bad prospect i just feel that if he were in last years draft he might only be the 3rd best receiver commimg out and would be picked outside the top 10. Ive heard a lot of talk on this thread about how alexander fails to tackle and get off blocks and tgere was evidence of that in fsu tape, however i saw him fail to tackle dalvin cook in open space which is hard for anyone and the only time i saw him have trouble getting off blocks was against tackles and tight ends. Besides in that game he allowed only 2 receptions with no tds on 7 targets (one was pass interference which was a bad call in my eyes). He stayed step for step in that game against one of the fastest players in the country in kermit Whitefield. This kid is such a competitor that during his rs freshman season before their bowl game vs Oklahoma he stayed behind as his teammates went to dysney so he could study film on Oklahoma. He already has notes on his own teammates receivers to better prepare himself for his professional career. He loves football and takes it seriously. I hear talk of people prefering vh3 over him because hes a better tackler. Lol watch the Tennessee tape. He might be even worse

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/vernon-hargreaves-iii-vs-tennessee-2015/

still known to be a very raw prospect, and as much as i really like alexander, i think dbs in general are extremely risky for 6th overall, i think theyre harder to predict how they will perform in the NFL than any other position, and treadwell on the other hand looks like a rock solid safe prospect and looks like a guy that, no matter his ceiling, is going to produce at a good level and will help your team VERY much from day 1, i cant say i feel the same security from the top dbs here, not enough to take them at 6. id much rather roll the dice on kendall fuller/tredavious white/eli apple being there in the 2nd and just going BPA if they are taken, i actually think fuller and apple both look like safer prospects than any of the top 3 dbs, even if they have a lower ceiling.

[January J]

Our top need is still the corner position. Webb is moved to free safety and has accepted that so now we need another guy to work with smith. I would rather get the best corner on the board in a strong class like alexander than the best wide receiver in a weak class in treadwell. Im not saying treadwell is a bad prospect i just feel that if he were in last years draft he might only be the 3rd best receiver commimg out and would be picked outside the top 10. Ive heard a lot of talk on this thread about how alexander fails to tackle and get off blocks and tgere was evidence of that in fsu tape, however i saw him fail to tackle dalvin cook in open space which is hard for anyone and the only time i saw him have trouble getting off blocks was against tackles and tight ends. Besides in that game he allowed only 2 receptions with no tds on 7 targets (one was pass interference which was a bad call in my eyes). He stayed step for step in that game against one of the fastest players in the country in kermit Whitefield. This kid is such a competitor that during his rs freshman season before their bowl game vs Oklahoma he stayed behind as his teammates went to dysney so he could study film on Oklahoma. He already has notes on his own teammates receivers to better prepare himself for his professional career. He loves football and takes it seriously. I hear talk of people prefering vh3 over him because hes a better tackler. Lol watch the Tennessee tape. He might be even worse

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/vernon-hargreaves-iii-vs-tennessee-2015/

if the receiver class is weak and the corner class is strong wouldn't it make more sense to get the top receiver and then get a corner later since the class is so deep? That just seems like the smarter play to me. Plus you can't forget about shareece Wright and will davis. Wright really started to come along near the end of the season and will davis looked like he may have been the answer too. I'm not saying we shouldn't take a cb...Plus Arrington probably needs to be released..but I think we would be much better off going another direction in the first.

[ravensnation5220]

still known to be a very raw prospect, and as much as i really like alexander, i think dbs in general are extremely risky for 6th overall, i think theyre harder to predict how they will perform in the NFL than any other position, and treadwell on the other hand looks like a rock solid safe prospect and looks like a guy that, no matter his ceiling, is going to produce at a good level and will help your team VERY much from day 1, i cant say i feel the same security from the top dbs here, not enough to take them at 6. id much rather roll the dice on kendall fuller/tredavious white/eli apple being there in the 2nd and just going BPA if they are taken, i actually think fuller and apple both look like safer prospects than any of the top 3 dbs, even if they have a lower ceiling.

ive watched more tape on fuller and noticed he doesnt always turn his head which leads to PIs instead of picks. I just feel we will end up regretting passing on alexander, i dont feel worried about him busting because hes so dedicated to working hard to make himself better. He has all the tools and attitude you look for in a corner. I know where your comming from with the safe pick idea but any prospect can bust and sometimes the players who look like the safer picks end up busting or just become average at best

[Robbyrobbass]

Why use #6 pick on Treadwell when we could get Mike Williams from Clemson in like the 5th round lol. DB is also a deep draft in my opinion, so take a DL or OLB. If Bosa is there take him. Maybe try to trade up. We're going to have a good amount of picks this draft. And next draft Ozzie can trade comp picks, it's well worth it. Bottom line. We need a playmaker if that playmaker is Treadwell or Ramsey etc. I'm fine with whomever we pick. It just needs to be an immediate impact playmaker.

mike Williams isn't coming out this year

[ravensnation5220]

if the receiver class is weak and the corner class is strong wouldn't it make more sense to get the top receiver and then get a corner later since the class is so deep? That just seems like the smarter play to me. Plus you can't forget about shareece Wright and will davis. Wright really started to come along near the end of the season and will davis looked like he may have been the answer too. I'm not saying we shouldn't take a cb...Plus Arrington probably needs to be released..but I think we would be much better off going another direction in the first.

well not necessarily because of the point i was trying to make. If it were a strong receiver class treadwell might not be in the top 10 which in my eyes makes that pick less valuable. Rather than picking from 3 guys who are in a crowded class and all in the top 10. If there were only 1 of the 3 guys being drafted his value would be increased and then anyone of thise guys would end up being viewed as a top 5 pick. If treadwell would have entered last year with a class like cooper, white, and parker it would be hard to say hes a top 10 pick. He didnt have the athletic ability those guys had which would have dropped him but this year is so weak he seems to be the only receiver to take in the first round. You see were im comming from?

[Robbyrobbass]

I would love Treadwell but I just can't see it Ozzie never takes the wr I love he also actually stated he prefers a great D prospect over a offensive skill position in one of those lier lunches

[ravensnation5220]

I feel as if everyone jumped on treadwells bandwagon after his bowl game. I jumped on him too but i reminded myself what i though of him before. He seems to take plays off at times when the balls not going his way. I think he is an exceptional run blocker when he WANTS to be. His route running is still sluggish to me and like every receiver comming out of college seems raw as any other prospect with the same question

[JoeyFlex5]

ive watched more tape on fuller and noticed he doesnt always turn his head which leads to PIs instead of picks. I just feel we will end up regretting passing on alexander, i dont feel worried about him busting because hes so dedicated to working hard to make himself better. He has all the tools and attitude you look for in a corner. I know where your comming from with the safe pick idea but any prospect can bust and sometimes the players who look like the safer picks end up busting or just become average at best

alexander has the same problem, he rarely turns his head to play the ball in the rare event that he is targeted, as good as he is in coverage, for all we know he could give up a completion every time his man gets a on-target throw, not saying its likely, but im saying that the complaint you have about fuller is a big complaint for the same guy you are clamoring for. 

 

i like alexander, but i cant get on board with a db 6th overall, i just cant do it. its true any prospect can bust but the nature of the position is very unpredictable for db's transitioning to the NFL, the same can be said for wr's but its much easier to say a guy like treadwell can put up 800 yards and 6td's as a rookie than to say alexander wont get burned for 20 first downs and 5 td's, that risk factor is there and it is very real. give me the safest option, especially this year, we just cant afford to bust on our first high pick in forever, if we were picking top 10 every year? sure get a guy whos got a 50% chance to set the world on fire in a few years, but we dont have that luxury right now

[ravensnation5220]

alexander has the same problem, he rarely turns his head to play the ball in the rare event that he is targeted, as good as he is in coverage, for all we know he could give up a completion every time his man gets a on-target throw, not saying its likely, but im saying that the complaint you have about fuller is a big complaint for the same guy you are clamoring for.

i like alexander, but i cant get on board with a db 6th overall, i just cant do it. its true any prospect can bust but the nature of the position is very unpredictable for db's transitioning to the NFL, the same can be said for wr's but its much easier to say a guy like treadwell can put up 800 yards and 6td's as a rookie than to say alexander wont get burned for 20 first downs and 5 td's, that risk factor is there and it is very real. give me the safest option, especially this year, we just cant afford to bust on our first high pick in forever, if we were picking top 10 every year? sure get a guy whos got a 50% chance to set the world on fire in a few years, but we dont have that luxury right now

ya its hard to say with the sample size we have with alexander, theres not much we know about it if he does or doesnt turn hus head because it seems he never gets the opportunity to show it. I only said it about fuller because its happened to him several times and theres tape to prove it. I could see fuller drop to the third round for us and that would be awesome. Too soon to tell though. It seems to me that if a highly rated player like bosa or tusil dont fall to us i could see us trade back a couple spots and still land either treadwell or alexander which i feel could be best case cenario for us. It might become our more popular move in mocks

Is there any indication if fuller will be able to participate in the combine or pro day?

Edited January 6, 2016 by ravensnation5220

[usmccharles]

if the receiver class is weak and the corner class is strong wouldn't it make more sense to get the top receiver and then get a corner later since the class is so deep? That just seems like the smarter play to me. Plus you can't forget about shareece Wright and will davis. Wright really started to come along near the end of the season and will davis looked like he may have been the answer too. I'm not saying we shouldn't take a cb...Plus Arrington probably needs to be released..but I think we would be much better off going another direction in the first.

that's what I was thinking, did t see any sense in that analogy of picking first at the deeper position when Treadwell is better at his position

[thieverycorporation]

ya its hard to say with the sample size we have with alexander, theres not much we know about it if he does or doesnt turn hus head because it seems he never gets the opportunity to show it. I only said it about fuller because its happened to him several times and theres tape to prove it. I could see fuller drop to the third round for us and that would be awesome. Too soon to tell though. It seems to me that if a highly rated player like bosa or tusil dont fall to us i could see us trade back a couple spots and still land either treadwell or alexander which i feel could be best case cenario for us. It might become our more popular move in mocks

Is there any indication if fuller will be able to participate in the combine or pro day?

Honestly i don't see a no-brainer in the top half other then two front runners that would make Ozzie say I gotta get this guy. I would suspect a trade back to secure additional talent and oft set the lack of cap space. Candidates that fit the bill are Cravens/Tra.White/Boyd and anyone else that may be at the back end of the draft. An additional pick in the second would be a home run with the slew of picks in the fourth that are projected. It would allow the team to address a need in the first two rounds and go for depth in the latter. We need a cornerback, DE, Wr, safety. Ozzie would have plenty of leverage to actually acquire those he coveted in the event he had to make a move after seeing a potential run on certain positions. If he wanted Boyd and had to move past a team he'd have leverage in theory. I say Cravens because he offers versatility/pick magnet, Boyd- Tallish/1st game ready/jumpball, Tradavious White answers the CB question with not much drop off in terms of abilities. Picking @ 6 offers teams with a need at the mid/ backend of the draft a chance to address the issues at QB or receiver, cornerback, lineman the opportunity to address there needs as well. I don't buy the notion that only a QB is the only way a team could see the need to move up. Draft boards are assembled in many different aspects so it's totally plausible. I actually think the teams picking before us could adjust the draft to our benefit by skewing the board and making teams think it's irresistible not to approach the Ravens in quest of a fallen star. Ozzie thinks outside the box and sees value and upgrades in all area's. Most notably smaller schools. I think the mid/backend (1st) of the draft maybe where he'd actually like to draft. Treadwell and Perrimans salaries would almost be prohibitive back to back for extensions. That's a lot of money in successive years to offense if they were to both perform according to performance. 

Edited January 6, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[GrimCoconut]

ive always compared buckner to campbell myself, would love to have that here. and i am actually not a big fan of the LT class, i see germain ifedi in the 2nd round but i worry about him in the nfl, i just think he could be severely overwhelmed at the next level, and at the next level i dont see any starters. however, i think ngakoue is a DROY candidate and i would be ecstatic to land him in the 2nd as far as later pass rushers go, but the well does run VERY dry after that.

mcphee has a very explosive first step, he plays tough, and he plays nimble, however i dont think his arsenal is very loaded in terms of ways he can beat you, he can beat you off the snap, he can set you up for an inside move, but aside from those things i think he is limited, still good at what he does. bosa has a first step that could be better but it is still a very strong first step, he is one of the most violent players i have ever seen and he isnt recklessly violent, he is just an absolute bully and manhandles everyone he faces but he still plays very light on his feet, he works great with his hands, and he sniffs out the ballcarrier well in the run game. ive always seen a lot of michael strahan in his game. you have to remember, when people criticize bosa, they typically overdo it because hes the top defensive prospect, some just hate the hype train too much to be realistic, when someone says he has a slow first step, they really mean "his first step isnt as good as jadeveon clowneys was" as if its relative in any way, or when they hes raw, they really mean "he cant drop into coverage" as if anyone is drafting an edge rusher for his coverage skills. some of the criticisms ive seen on bosa have been ridiculous, and this is coming from someone who is actually pretty tentative of him.

I think you may need to watch more LT in this class. That's not a shot at you at all but I think it's a really good LT class. I like Spriggs, think there's tremendous value with Dahl, Conklin is underrated and those are guys just of the top of my head. I know there's more. I like Alexander although I see more guard in him. I like Ifedi as well but he'll need work. I really like Johnstone from Oregon but he's got crazy injury luck lol..

[GrimCoconut]

Lol I wonder what people here would do if Ozzie threw us all a curveball and drafted Ezekiel Elliott. It's such an Ozzie Newsome move, too. You think he's going left and he goes right. That ol' Kentucky shuffle.

Edit: just realized I put fastball and not the intended curveball lol

Edited January 6, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[usmccharles]

Lol I wonder what people here would do if Ozzie threw us all a fastball and drafted Ezekiel Elliott. It's such an Ozzie Newsome move, too. You think he's going left and he goes right. That ol' Kentucky shuffle.

Jesus I would lose it, at 6 especially. But now that you said it... It wouldn't shock me, damn you

[Sizzlebshu]

Every player has a bad game and Charles Tillman one day shut down Megatron despite Calvin having a clear physical advantage. VH3 is just technically sound.

Jaelen Strong? That overrated mess of a player people fell in love with despite the fact that he never EVER separated and only relied on his physicality and had overrated hands. Really? That's who Treadwell reminds you of?

He looks like a 4.5 player on film. We don't need a burner. We have that already in Perriman. The burner thing also helps out with the separation problem. Once he improves as a route runner I think the separation thing will come easier.

Yeah, Treadwell's route running does need some work. But he's not as bad off as you claim.

I mean.. He's similar to Mike Evans as a prospect(in terms of his concerns. Not as a player) in a sense. Limited to poor route runner with potential problems with separation despite being a good athlete with good hands and physicality. He needs to develop his route running and if he does then he probably becomes a very good WR at the next level.

Mike Evans turned out to be a good pick so far. Two good seasons(despite him having one of the worst games I've seen an NFL WR play. Bad days happen).

I think you're underrating Treadwell. He's not an elite talent but he's certainly a very good one. And in a terrible draft.. Yeah.

Clearly you have a reading comprehension issue

Reminds me of strong in that....

As in i compare him only in 1 aspect which is his poor route running probably is masking a faster player than he seems

Nowhere near tbe size speed freak evans is

Edited January 6, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[Clmraven]

Lol I wonder what people here would do if Ozzie threw us all a fastball and drafted Ezekiel Elliott. It's such an Ozzie Newsome move, too. You think he's going left and he goes right. That ol' Kentucky shuffle.

I like Elliott a lot, but at 6? I don't know, he's not an elite runner like Gurley IMO but he's a complete back sorta like Leveon Bell and could be a great fit in trestmans offense.

[JoeyFlex5]

Clearly you have a reading comprehension issue

Reminds me of strong in that....

As in i compare him only in 1 aspect which is his poor route running probably is masking a faster player than he seems

Nowhere near tbe size speed freak evans is

have you ever spoken to anyone with even an ounce of respect? every post of yours is condescending and rude and you always go out of your way to insult another posters intelligence. 

 

the fact of the matter is, if you compare treadwell and jaelen strong in 1 aspect and say they have equally poor route running, then you are missing something, treadwell may not be amari cooper but he is lightyears beyond jaelen strong.

[GrimCoconut]

I like Elliott a lot, but at 6? I don't know, he's not an elite runner like Gurley IMO but he's a complete back sorta like Leveon Bell and could be a great fit in trestmans offense.

Yeah, it's not what I want to happen but it's something I wouldn't rule out at all. I honestly hope we go in another direction but Ozzie does stuff like this. I can see it happen.

[JoeyFlex5]

I think you may need to watch more LT in this class. That's not a shot at you at all but I think it's a really good LT class. I like Spriggs, think there's tremendous value with Dahl, Conklin is underrated and those are guys just of the top of my head. I know there's more. I like Alexander although I see more guard in him. I like Ifedi as well but he'll need work. I really like Johnstone from Oregon but he's got crazy injury luck lol..

ill admit i havent looked too much into it, and i havent lookd into dahl though ive been hearing alot about him lately, but most of the guys strike me as RTs, as do most OT prospects after round 1

[GrimCoconut]

ill admit i havent looked too much into it, and i havent lookd into dahl though ive been hearing alot about him lately, but most of the guys strike me as RTs, as do most OT prospects after round 1

Eh, I guess. It's never easy to say who will do well and who won't. LT aren't as sure a thing as they once were, either. Many busts have gone in the first. It's also not as much a premium position as it once was either. The RT faces a lot of pressure as well and it's equally effective. The quick passing game also has helped with this as well to reduce the pass rush.

Castillo also has a history with guys outside the first round. I'm not sure why. Maybe he has an eye for OL talent and scouts them for us lol. I think LT won't be seen as much of a need as it is atm because I see KO getting re-signed and Monroe released or perhaps someone trades for him, I dunno. I think it's unlikely but it could happen I guess.

[sflegend89]

I'm treading on Treadwell. The guy looks GOOD. But whoever we pick, I just hope he contributes.

 

At #6 overall they better do more than contribute, they should be a game changer lol

[usmccharles]

At #6 overall they better do more than contribute, they should be a game changer lol

I honestly don't see many immediate game changers atat 6, but I think Judge Tread could come in and make a big difference

[usmccharles]

At #6 overall they better do more than contribute, they should be a game changer lol

I honestly don't see many immediate game changers atat 6, but I think Judge Tread could come in and make a big difference

[January J]

Jesus I would lose it, at 6 especially. But now that you said it... It wouldn't shock me, damn you

would shock the heck outta me. I think I would be legitimately upset. Unless he turned into Jamal lewis..then I'd put my foot in my mouth. But I would hope if he threw a curveball like that it would at least be after trading back a bit.

[JoeyFlex5]

would shock the heck outta me. I think I would be legitimately upset. Unless he turned into Jamal lewis..then I'd put my foot in my mouth. But I would hope if he threw a curveball like that it would at least be after trading back a bit.

even if he was the next jamal lewis id be pissed, if he was 100% guaranteed to be the next adrian peterson id even pause. a rb 6th overall better average a first down every 3 carries lol

[GrimCoconut]

even if he was the next jamal lewis id be pissed, if he was 100% guaranteed to be the next adrian peterson id even pause. a rb 6th overall better average a first down every 3 carries lol

Jamal Lewis was a beast, man. 

[Deflated Football]

I honestly don't see many immediate game changers atat 6, but I think Judge Tread could come in and make a big difference

Best nickname ever

[allblackraven]

even if he was the next jamal lewis id be pissed, if he was 100% guaranteed to be the next adrian peterson id even pause. a rb 6th overall better average a first down every 3 carries lol

In crude stats that's just 3.3 yards per. Not good enough. I know one way of fixing that, though...

Edited January 6, 2016 by allblackraven

[JoeyFlex5]

Jamal Lewis was a beast, man. 

i know, i watched his whole career. im not some brand new ravens fan lol. 

 

i just dont value rb's that much on a team that has as many holes as ours, i think investing heavily into a star RB is a move for a more complete team that just needs a physically imposing presence, for example gurley for the 2014 ravens team would have been just beautiful, but i wouldnt do it this year because a stud rb is just a luxury for teams who can afford it