Who should we take at #6?

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

With the DT talent on the team and in the class, I'm not a big fan of Nkemdiche. I'd take Buckner, Robinson, Billings, and potentially Rankins over Nkdemdiche. As with Clowney, I frequently see athlete ability that should warrant game changer status, but Nkdemdiche is frustrating quiet most the time. Plus you have to worry about the character concerns and his brother.

Realistically, Tunsil and two quarterbacks will go before us for sure. Ramsey, Bosa, Jack, Buckner, or Stanley would likely tothe choice. I have ranked:

1. Ramsey

2. Jack

3. Bosa

4. Stanley

5. Buckner

6. Spence (I think he goes top 10-12 after the combine)

 

2quarterbacks for sure? I think it's unlikely, let alone certain

[ravensnick]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

2quarterbacks for sure? I think it's unlikely, let alone certain

Browns take one for sure and very likely someone trades up to get ahead of SF. Even if just one goes before us, that gives us solid trade bait for Philly/LA. 

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

2quarterbacks for sure? I think it's unlikely, let alone certain

Yeah I think 2 QBs may get drafted but I don't see it as near a sure thing and also don't know if someone goes ahead of San Fran for QB. Could happen but just as easily could not

[Winchester]

2 hours ago, ravensnick said:

Browns take one for sure and very likely someone trades up to get ahead of SF. Even if just one goes before us, that gives us solid trade bait for Philly/LA. 

Correct!! A trade back is very likely if Wentz or Goff is on the board. The QBs are making a serious surge up the draft boards!! Let's trade down and pick up an extra round2 pick. Draft Spence then trade back into round1 for Nkemdiche. Nkemdiche is as much a freak as Watt. He is not Clowney. That is a terrible comparison although I see why fans would do so. Ravens would  have a rush like the Broncos in a single draft. That would be ravens defense!! Nkemdiche in my opinion is best defensive player in the draft. Best defennsive player in the draft in my opinion. Followed by Spence/Jaylon S .\Jack. 

[Tru11]

myles jack please

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

myles jack please

glad to see your on my wagon, come aboard sir!

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, ravensnick said:

Browns take one for sure and very likely someone trades up to get ahead of SF. Even if just one goes before us, that gives us solid trade bait for Philly/LA. 

It's still unlikely at Best.. 

 

Cleveland is gonna take a qb but with guys like bosa and ramsey and buckner on the board it's a 10 to 1 chance that the cowboys take a qb. 

 

And as much as I'd love to see us rack up a nice haul of pics to move back, there is just too many moving parts that would have to be ironed out in too short a time period to say "for sure". 

 

Anything can happen, but 2 qbs going ahead of us is not a "for sure" thing, really it isn't even "likely"

[Winchester]

41 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It's still unlikely at Best.. 

 

Cleveland is gonna take a qb but with guys like bosa and ramsey and buckner on the board it's a 10 to 1 chance that the cowboys take a qb. 

 

And as much as I'd love to see us rack up a nice haul of pics to move back, there is just too many moving parts that would have to be ironed out in too short a time period to say "for sure". 

 

Anything can happen, but 2 qbs going ahead of us is not a "for sure" thing, really it isn't even "likely"

I think it is,because how how hot Wentz and Goff are charging the ranks!! Give it a couple weeks to shake out and all  the networks gurus to reshuffle. Goff and Wentz are becoming very hot commodities. Hotter thsn we thought!! Practically Matt Ryan and Bortles 2.0. But Goff is being viewed as bigger arm and a more natural accuracy than Matt. His pinpoint accuracy,competitiveness and athleticism is being drooled over now!! If Goff or Wentz is there at 6 I would bet money ravens see some better deals to trade back than we all thought!! Goff and Wentz are selling records fast and will be platinum by draft kickoff!! 

Edited February 24, 2016 by Winchester

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I think it is,because how how hot Wentz and Goff are charging the ranks!! Give it a couple weeks to shake out and all  the networks gurus to reshuffle. Goff and Wentz are becoming very hot commodities. Hotter thsn we thought!! Practically Matt Ryan and Bortles 2.0. But Goff is being viewed as bigger arm and a more natural accuracy than Matt. His pinpoint accuracy,competitiveness and athleticism is being drooled over now!! If Goff or Wentz is there at 6 I would bet money ravens see some better deals to trade back than we all thought!! Goff and Wentz are selling records fast and will be platinum by draft kickoff!! 

I do think goff is a very good qb prospect and never understood how he had so many doubters, however I just don't know that wentz can build that same hype, I know small school guys succeed all the time but wentz would need to really show something special to go 4th overall to a team who already has a qb and lots of holes on defense. You're expecting Jerry Jones of all people to pass on a Ramsey or bosa or buckner when he has massive voids in the secondary, and all over the DL, for a prospect who won't play for a few years, Jerry doesn't strike me as that type of gm and I'm sure many would agree. 

 

We seem to be projecting some really far fetched scenarios that allows our favorite outcomes, the chips rarely fall that perfectly though

[Italian Raven]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

We seem to be projecting some really far fetched scenarios that allows our favorite outcomes, the chips rarely fall that perfectly though

Exactly my thought.
We tend to make things up in order to have our guy falling without always caring of justifying the first 5 moves.

[Clmraven]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I do think goff is a very good qb prospect and never understood how he had so many doubters, however I just don't know that wentz can build that same hype, I know small school guys succeed all the time but wentz would need to really show something special to go 4th overall to a team who already has a qb and lots of holes on defense. You're expecting Jerry Jones of all people to pass on a Ramsey or bosa or buckner when he has massive voids in the secondary, and all over the DL, for a prospect who won't play for a few years, Jerry doesn't strike me as that type of gm and I'm sure many would agree. 

 

We seem to be projecting some really far fetched scenarios that allows our favorite outcomes, the chips rarely fall that perfectly though

Mike Mayock is really hyping Wentz up it wouldn't  surprise me to see him go at 4, whether it's the Cowboys or someone traded up. He has all the physical ability, I think he compares well to Bortles in draft stock, smaller school than him but could see the same rise as him.

[Jaybirds]

It's not impossible to figure out if these ideas are far-fetched or not.  How many teams need QBs this offseason?  How many QBs are going to be available if you count free agents and the draft?  If a couple of teams risk drawing the short stick, then those teams are more likely to trade up.  Maybe it takes a different thread just for the QB market. But we can figure this out. 

EDIT:  actually, I think it's simpler than that.  I think it's less and less likely San Francisco takes a quarterback.  That makes it way less likely anyone has to trade into the top 5 or 6 to get Wentz or Goff.  1 QB in the top 5 picks is most likely. 

Edited February 24, 2016 by Jaybirds
I coulda had a V8 moment

[ngatainmyhouse]

If the Cowgirls really want to go QB that could make them a potential trade candidate for the Ravens. The Ravens are moving up two spots and the Jags aren't a threat to take a QB so that'd be more of a reason that the they'd move back two picks, get more picks and still get the QB they want. Now the question is would it be worth it for the Ravens to move up for a guy like Bosa or Ramsey and sacrifice a pick or two. Ramsey and Bosa are both guys that (unless both are there) will be picked up by the Jags. Many people have mentioned the drop off in talent after Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack, and Buckner. With one QB taken, one of those guys to make it to us, but would we rather grab the guy we want or wait for the one remaining of the five to be our only choice. It's a good situation to be in but something I figured I'd bring up 

[Winchester]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I do think goff is a very good qb prospect and never understood how he had so many doubters, however I just don't know that wentz can build that same hype, I know small school guys succeed all the time but wentz would need to really show something special to go 4th overall to a team who already has a qb and lots of holes on defense. You're expecting Jerry Jones of all people to pass on a Ramsey or bosa or buckner when he has massive voids in the secondary, and all over the DL, for a prospect who won't play for a few years, Jerry doesn't strike me as that type of gm and I'm sure many would agree. 

 

We seem to be projecting some really far fetched scenarios that allows our favorite outcomes, the chips rarely fall that perfectly though

Yes I know that lol. I was the first here to say do not count on a bunch of picks thrown at Baltimore. However Goff and Wentz are now creating a serious buzz!! Biggest probs teams are having now is covering up their lust for Goff and Wentz so nobody jumps them for the QBs.. I liked Wentz to maybe push for top 10 status but never the kind of charge he is making!!

[January J]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

A jeit'sry a veralltodatprospe ct and   never un derst ood how he had so many doubters, however I just don't know that wentz can build that same hype, I know small school guys succeed all the time but wentz would need to really show something special to go 4th overall to a team who already has a qb and lots of holes on defense. You're expecting Jerry Jones of all people to pass on a Ramsey or bosa or buckner when he has massive voids in the secondary, and all over the DL, for a prospect who won't play for a few years, Jerry doesn't strike me as that type of gm and I'm sure many would agree. 

 

We seem to be projecting some really far fetched scenarios that allows our favorite outcomes, the chips rarely fall that perfectly though

This is True. Its what they probably SHOULD do, but Jerry is extremely hardheaded.

55 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

If the Cowgirls really want to go QB that could make them a potential trade candidate for the Ravens. The Ravens are moving up two spots and the Jags aren't a threat to take a QB so that'd be more of a reason that the they'd move back two picks, get more picks and still get the QB they want. Now the question is would it be worth it for the Ravens to move up for a guy like Bosa or Ramsey and sacrifice a pick or two. Ramsey and Bosa are both guys that (unless both are there) will be picked up by the Jags. Many people have mentioned the drop off in talent after Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack, and Buckner. With one QB taken, one of those guys to make it to us, but would we rather grab the guy we want or wait for the one remaining of the five to be our only choice. It's a good situation to be in but something I figured I'd bring up 

Not worth trading up. We are guarenteed A top tier player just by stayin put. Tunsil, bosa, buckner, ramsey, spence, jack..they cant All be takin before us. and its Possible a guy like spence Could end up the best in the class while bosa could bust.

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, January J said:

This is True. Its what they probably SHOULD do, but Jerry is extremely hardheaded.

Not worth trading up. We are guarenteed A top tier player just by stayin put. Tunsil, bosa, buckner, ramsey, spence, jack..they cant All be takin before us. and its Possible a guy like spence Could end up the best in the class while bosa could bust.

I agree except I still see Spence as a huge gamble in the NFL. I think there are enough top talents to go around. I only see maybe 8 players worth a top 10 pick and we are at 6 so I think we will stay put. At first looking at this draft I saw a shallow talent pool but now I can see that there are some superstars at the top where we are picking.

[Winchester]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I agree except I still see Spence as a huge gamble in the NFL. I think there are enough top talents to go around. I only see maybe 8 players worth a top 10 pick and we are at 6 so I think we will stay put. At first looking at this draft I saw a shallow talent pool but now I can see that there are some superstars at the top where we are picking.

 

  Spence is not a gamble at all. He took a party drug not an every day drug.  I love Myles Jack but a dominant explosive flexibile speed rusher conquers everything. As for Wentz he is already at Blake Bortles status. Guys are just trying to cover up their lust for the hottie at the beach!! Trying not to get get staring at the hot girl. Wentz will be far hotter than Bortles by draft kickoff!! Slightly more natural accuracy than Bortles and this QB class is not as deep. Same for Goff whose accuracy and competitiveness is being compared to Peyton Manning. He was compared to Matt Ryan cuz of size and competitiveness. However he has a stronger arm more natural accuracy and a far better athlete than Matt. And now being compared to Peyton coming. The only thing that will get in the way of ravens getting a nice offer for Goff and Wentz is if already drafted by ravens pick. However the ravens drafting in front of SF is more enticing cuz teams will prefer to trade up to 6 as opposed to 5 or 4. In their minds it is a cheaper trade up. Would be cool to get Spence and Nkemdiche who in my opinion are 2 most explosive rushers in the draft. Ravens would have a player very close to jj watt and very close to Von Miller!! Add In Brandon, Mosley, Jernigan   and ravens have a frat of young studs on front 7!! Nkemdiche is biggest freak in the draft by leaps and bounds!! Power and size of an elite defensive tackle and explosion,flexibility of a rush olb!! A bigger freak than Clowney

[Deflated Football]

Stanley's measurable's are impressive. Even better than Tunsil's. Curious to see how he performs. 

[ellicottraven]

I am really curious to know we pick in the eventuality that the Browns trade for a serviceable QB and no QBs are drafted before us. If 4 top defensive players along with Tunsil are gone, who do we take?

 

[RaineV1]

13 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I am really curious to know we pick in the eventuality that the Browns trade for a serviceable QB and no QBs are drafted before us. If 4 top defensive players along with Tunsil are gone, who do we take?

 

Guessing the top four defensive players means Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa, and Jack. I'd say Shaq Lawson and Noah Spence would be the best options left on the board for the Ravens. I don't think either of them could dominate on a level like Buckner, Jack, and a motivated Bosa could, but they could be great, long-term starters.

[Jacquouille]

44 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I am really curious to know we pick in the eventuality that the Browns trade for a serviceable QB and no QBs are drafted before us. If 4 top defensive players along with Tunsil are gone, who do we take?

 

Trade back or Spence or VH3 if you ask me. Let's not totally put Treadwell out of the conversation, even though I wouldn't really like it.

[January J]

14 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

 

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

Would Be cool but thats 2 players with major character concerns with our first Two picks.  Doubt nkemdiche is still there when we pick in the 2nd anyway. Nice thought though. I think our best bet is spence- thompson. Thats A strong one two punch, and if we follow that up with a nice receiver like sheppard id Say that would be a real success.

[L.A.Ravens]

Jalen Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner, Jack, if they are gone by when the Ravens are on the clock then trade down a few slots and take Spence or VH3

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, January J said:

 

Dude Spence is not a freaking character problem!! lol He was just a guy that did guy things in college before the age of 20. Who did not do stupid things in college?? It was xtacy not heroin. It is not a physically addictive drug. Would you want your job or gf to hold things against you that you did in college?? It is as silly as Randy Moss supposedly having character flaws and the ravens not picking him. And if Nkemdiche aces his drug screenings he is fine as well. Nkemdiche will be drafted in round1. That is why the idea is to trade back and grab Spence then they are back into round1 for Nkemdiche. Then ravens will be drafting the 2 most explosive rushers in the draft. In one draft the ravens can go from one of the weakest QB rushes in the league to one of the elite. It would be like snagging a player nearly as good as Watt and Mack in one draft. For icing on the cake ravens could grab Deion Jones. Rams screwed their chance of grabbing a tandem of elite defensive players in one draft when their gm did not select Kalil Mack to tandem with Aaron Donald.  But that is what poorly managed teams do.

[L.A.Ravens]

9 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Dude Spence is not a freaking character problem!! lol He was just a guy that did guy things in college before the age of 20. Who did not do stupid things in college?? It was xtacy not heroin. It is not a physically addictive drug. Would you want your job or gf to hold things against you that you did in college?? It is as silly as Randy Moss supposedly having character flaws and the ravens not picking him. And if Nkemdiche aces his drug screenings he is fine as well. Nkemdiche will be drafted in round1. That is why the idea is to trade back and grab Spence then they are back into round1 for Nkemdiche. Then ravens will be drafting the 2 most explosive rushers in the draft. In one draft the ravens can go from one of the weakest QB rushes in the league to one of the elite. It would be like snagging a player nearly as good as Watt and Mack in one draft. For icing on the cake ravens could grab Deion Jones. Rams screwed their chance of grabbing a tandem of elite defensive players in one draft when their gm did not select Kalil Mack to tandem with Aaron Donald.  But that is what poorly managed teams do.

If it was pot then who cares. X is still a hard drug. Chemically made. He has 3 brain cells left. He will fail the enterview because of it. He can't talk or read, this is what he said and I quote " mmm me Spence, me get quarterback mm" haha. 

[ravefan52]

For me it's Bosa, Ramsey, Jack and Buckner. In that order for now. I have them all rated similarly and after them and Tunsil I see a drop-off in talent (Other than Stanley somewhat, but he's not my top choice and I think we roll the dice with Monroe). I think each one of those guys would have a great chance of being a pro bowl player with us. I would also bet we have Jaylon Smith graded very highly, assuming his medicals are clean.

[Winchester]

48 minutes ago, L.A.Ravens said:

If it was pot then who cares. X is still a hard drug. Chemically made. He has 3 brain cells left. He will fail the enterview because of it. He can't talk or read, this is what he said and I quote " mmm me Spence, me get quarterback mm" haha. 

Everybody in college that partied did X before

[52520Andrew]

27 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

For me it's Bosa, Ramsey, Jack and Buckner. In that order for now. I have them all rated similarly and after them and Tunsil I see a drop-off in talent (Other than Stanley somewhat, but he's not my top choice and I think we roll the dice with Monroe). I think each one of those guys would have a great chance of being a pro bowl player with us. I would also bet we have Jaylon Smith graded very highly, assuming his medicals are clean.

Tunsil at #1 for me followed by those guys in that order

[Winchester]

Tunsil  and Nkemdiche are even for #1 in my opinion. Trying to find out who won in practice between these guys. So far no freaking straight answer.

[ngatainmyhouse]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

Everybody in college that partied did X before

Then how come players don't have to deal with on a yearly basis in the pre-draft process? I agree that something he did over a year ago and hasn't had any run-ins since is a pretty good sign he won't resort back to ecstasy. However, your argument that "everybody in college that partied did X" is very poor and that should not be your case as to why the Ravens should draft him. If it's "just ecstasy" than what makes you think his stock will fall? In your mind who would we trade back with in order to still be able to get him? In no scenario do I see a trade back partner with a pick earlier than the Eagles

Edited February 25, 2016 by ngatainmyhouse