Who should we take at #6?

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

This might have to be a wait and see. At best he will be a damned good hand fighter, 45+ tackles and 3 sacks as a full time starter his rookie year. Thats my very unprofessional assessment 

3 sacks seems low lol zadarius Smith got double that with no secondary behind him. 

I would legitimately give him 6-7 sacks and 12 TFL not including the sacks. And he would be doing this from multiple positions and creating a bit of confusion

[L.A.Ravens]

As of now we're going spence. Combine will give us a clear picture. Interview must be strong with this one.

[GrimCoconut]

On Tuesday, February 09, 2016 at 7:50 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I think by the time the pre draft process is done he might be in that conversation. 

Word is when he was at Ohio State he was viewed internally as better than Bosa. 

After combine and pro days, and after seeing what Von Miller and Ware did in the Super Bowl I have a feeling that the character concerns are going to fade some and he's going to rise to the top 10. 

Still hope we can trade back just a few spots and still get him. I'm starting to develop a man crush on him. Just think with him here around Suggs and Doom the sky is the limit with him. 

Learn a counter move or 2, and get better at converting that insane speed to power and you've got a monster. 

Plus I love a guy whose dealt with controversy/made mistakes and lost it all only to turn it around and get on the right path. He's learned what it means to lose the dream and he didn't fade away, he focused in and used it as motivation.

thats usually a big question mark for me with a lot of these kids who have always been the best and most talented - how will they deal with controversy or something not going their way. 

He's proven he deals with it the right way and that's a huge part in trusting a guys pro potential for me. 

I feel the same way. I love Spence as a fit for this team and have him lumped into a group of guys I'd be happy to have at #6. His speed can't be taught nor can you teach violence, both of which he has. He has that big dog, nasty attitude I want to see on the field. I think his floor is Bruce Irvin and his ceiling is Mack. 

Learning behind Suggs and Dumervil with Smith here should permit him time to develop in that regard. His struggles are actually something I like since he appears to have overcome them.

While most will use the drug addiction as a negative (and it could be) I see it as a positive. Just because you draft a prospect with seemingly no character flaws doesn't mean they'll never have any. Ray Rice is an example of that; however, more examples exist of the former than the latter. Ray Lewis had his own scandal that led to him becoming the man and player he was when he played. Adversity shouldn't be discounted nor absolved but could be analyzed. 

[RavensFanMania]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Is he going to be a rotational player? or who does he start over in your guy's opinion

He can rush from both inside and out and play 3-4 dE and Edge.  When Suggs is on the field he will be playing 3-4 DE, while Suggs or Dumerville is taking a breather, he will play in there place.  His versatility is great.

Edited February 12, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[Jacquouille]

I really don't know where to put it, but what are your thoughts on Darron Lee? Not at 6 but in the second?

 

From what I've seen, he has great pass rushing skills, anytime they lined him up on the edge his speed showed up. He also seems decent in coverage but I hate the way he was used on the games I watched, always covering the same empty zone and ending up useless.

[ellicottraven]

Right now, I feel more confused about our option at #6 than ever before and it is hopefully going to start making more sense after the combine and how players stack up. I still feel that players like Bosa may not perform to expectations in the combine and fall to us. At least that is what I hope happens. While I'm fine with whoever the Ravens end up drafting, I'm buying into some hype and hoping one of Tunsil, Bosa or Ramsey actually falls to us!

[numerounopapi]

I think it's safe to say that we are leaning towards drafting a DL or LB at #6 unless Ramsey slips out the top 5. I have good faith that the FO fixes the OL situation without wasting our #6 pick. HOWEVER... I would not rule out taking a WR in the 1st with the addition of a trade back. 

[Boddiebroadus]

Please draft spence at #6. We need to improve this pass rush and no one in this draft is better at it. I do also really like Buckner and Bosa and Ramsey. I think I'd still take Ramsey over any of them but I seriously doubt he'll be available. 

[RavensFanMania]

On 2/11/2016 at 4:57 PM, allblackraven said:

Yeah. Unless Titans for some reason don't take Tunsil, I can't see Chargers passing on Bosa.

I'd throw Miles Jack in the equation for the Chargers as well.

[JoeyFlex5]

41 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I'd throw Miles Jack in the equation for the Chargers as well.

That idea hasn't been thrown around much and I can't say I'd be overly surprised

[Jacquouille]

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That idea hasn't been thrown around much and I can't say I'd be overly surprised

Me neither. To me, he's the biggest talent in this draft. He's more gifted than anybody else in this class, and yes, more than Ramsey.

However I don't see the Chargers taking him, just doesn't seem to fit their personality to have a playmaking ILB. Just a feeling though.

[RavensFanMania]

On 2/12/2016 at 8:58 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

or maybe they see how well it worked for the cowboys to just throw everything plus the kitchen sink at your OL and let the rest fall into place. there has never been a case where a great OL has been a bad thing, you can over invest in skill positions, over invest in coverage guys, over invest in run stuffers, but the better and deeper your OL is the better chance you have to go from worst to first just by adding one or 2 key players.

Myles Jack has the athleticism to play Jack in certain packages and has rare cover ability.  Can cover RB, TE, SWR.  He has more versatility than Ramsey and I'd be ok with him at 6 in the draft.  No, the Chargers probably won't take him, but he can't be ruled out. 

[araveninwaconc]

After evaluating our means and position I believe Treadwell be the most logical and rational choice? Treadwell, Perriman! Campanaro (health issues)? Steve Smith (in his last year)  Aikens on the Rise? Pitta? Boles,  Williams, Gilmore! But this is my Raven world of dreaming this is definitely makes for something big and promises to wreak a lot of havoc in the AFC North with these young guns! And with Flacco? Need I say more? Besides one player in my opinion needs to step up would be Campanaro who seems to be injury prone? Perhaps Treadwell presence makes Campanaro  become more durable? Great player with good hands, Wes Welker type numbers? Cant get right. 3rd year? Pitta would be a plus in any form, with out him were fine, with him watch out!

 

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, araveninwaconc said:

After evaluating our means and position I believe Treadwell be the most logical and rational choice? Treadwell, Perriman! Campanaro (health issues)? Steve Smith (in his last year)  Aikens on the Rise? Pitta? Boles,  Williams, Gilmore! But this is my Raven world of dreaming this is definitely makes for something big and promises to wreak a lot of havoc in the AFC North with these young guns! And with Flacco? Need I say more? Besides one player in my opinion needs to step up would be Campanaro who seems to be injury prone? Perhaps Treadwell presence makes Campanaro  become more durable? Great player with good hands, Wes Welker type numbers? Cant get right. 3rd year? Pitta would be a plus in any form, with out him were fine, with him watch out!

 

dont get me wrong, i was a huge advocate for bringing Judge Tread here, even at 6.  But then i thought about it more, offense is not our problem.  Even without BP we were on track to have a good offense and we were 90 yards off our franchise high in yards.  No we add in in BP this year, i think its an easy improvement.  We had two 14 point leads on the Pats and still lost, we need to stop teams.  Pass rush and secondary is where we will go in the first round imo.  I could see OT if Tunsil is somehow there, but i think he goes 1. 

[L.A.Ravens]

No treadwell at least not at 6. Buckner, Ramsey, spence, in no order.

[PolishRifle]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

dont get me wrong, i was a huge advocate for bringing Judge Tread here, even at 6.  But then i thought about it more, offense is not our problem.  Even without BP we were on track to have a good offense and we were 90 yards off our franchise high in yards.  No we add in in BP this year, i think its an easy improvement.  We had two 14 point leads on the Pats and still lost, we need to stop teams.  Pass rush and secondary is where we will go in the first round imo.  I could see OT if Tunsil is somehow there, but i think he goes 1. 

We were also 25th in points scored. Passing yards don't mean much, if you don't have a red zone threat and who exactly do we have to score points outside of the ageing Steve Smith or the inexperienced Perriman? You're right we had two 14 point leads against the Pats and still lost, but in doing so got closer to a SB than many of our teams that had great defenses. I'll take Ramsey over Tread and I'm okay with taking Myles Jack at #6 also. I don't know, if I'd take Spence or Buckner over him though. Just my opinion, though. I like Treadwell alot, just because he feels like a very safe pick to me, who will do great in the NFL.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, PolishRifle said:

We were also 25th in points scored. Passing yards don't mean much, if you don't have a red zone threat and who exactly do we have to score points outside of the ageing Steve Smith or the inexperienced Perriman? You're right we had two 14 point leads against the Pats and still lost, but in doing so got closer to a SB than many of our teams that had great defenses. I'll take Ramsey over Tread and I'm okay with taking Myles Jack at #6 also. I don't know, if I'd take Spence or Buckner over him though. Just my opinion, though. I like Treadwell alot, just because he feels like a very safe pick to me, who will do great in the NFL.

offense means even less if they cant get on the field.

[52520Andrew]

54 minutes ago, PolishRifle said:

We were also 25th in points scored. 

Well I hate to use it but we can actually put a lot of that blame on injuries. We lost our QB, RB, top 2 WRs, our TEs, our LT, and our Center. To go with that, our RT was recovering from injury through the year and our LG missed a couple games as well. Put any offense through that and they won't do well.

[PolishRifle]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

offense means even less if they cant get on the field.

And more, if they can stay on the field. Tread would be a great 3rd down target.

52 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Well I hate to use it but we can actually put a lot of that blame on injuries. We lost our QB, RB, top 2 WRs, our TEs, our LT, and our Center. To go with that, our RT was recovering from injury through the year and our LG missed a couple games as well. Put any offense through that and they won't do well.

One of our top 2 WRs is going to retire after next season garanteed. Why not get a stud replacement when we have a chance?

Edited February 15, 2016 by PolishRifle

[ellicottraven]

It seems more and more with all these mock drafts and how players are trending in these mocks, that Jalen Ramsey or Joey Bosa are unlikely to drop to us. That being said, I still think we have good players to choose from. I see Buckner, Treadwell, Spence, Jaylon Smith, VH3 and possibly Myles Jack as all possibilities for us at 6. I suppose it will become more evident after the combine as to who the players are that could potentially drop to us. I am hoping for terrible combine performances for both Ramsey and Bosa just so they slide to us. 

[52520Andrew]

7 minutes ago, PolishRifle said:

One of our top 2 WRs is going to retire after next season garanteed. Why not get a stud replacement when we have a chance?

I'd be fine taking a WR but I do not see one worth taking at #6 overall.

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

It seems more and more with all these mock drafts and how players are trending in these mocks, that Jalen Ramsey or Joey Bosa are unlikely to drop to us. That being said, I still think we have good players to choose from. I see Buckner, Treadwell, Spence, Jaylon Smith, VH3 and possibly Myles Jack as all possibilities for us at 6. I suppose it will become more evident after the combine as to who the players are that could potentially drop to us. I am hoping for terrible combine performances for both Ramsey and Bosa just so they slide to us. 

I don't believe Bosa was ever in any real discussion outside of top 2-3, depending on whether the team needs a QB or not. Speculation by media and fans, maybe but nothing more than that.

Edited February 15, 2016 by allblackraven

[L.A.Ravens]

Treadwell not at 6. He is not elite. It's not like we would be drafting a Julio Jones or AJ Greeen type of player. Second round even third round we will find a great wide receiver. 

[Jacquouille]

I'm wondering why Treadwell when we could get the same value in the 2nd with Boyd?

 

For now my first round favourite stays Myles Jack.

[JoeyFlex5]

Our offense is not the problem. Plain and simple. We were in shootouts for quite a few games this year. We are a defensive team and we have a very strong foundation on offense. Tread is a massive reach at 6 and we have no business making a move like that

[January J]

7 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

It sks ms more and more wIiith all these spk drafts and hof fw players are t rending in these mocks, that Jalen Ramsey or Joey Bosa are unlikely to drop to us. That being said, I still think we have good players to choose from. I see Buckner, Treadwell, Spence, Jaylon Smith, VH3 and possibly Myles Jack as all possibilities for us at 6. I suppose it will become more evident after the combine as to who the players are that could potentially drop to us. I am hoping for terrible combine performances for both Ramsey and Bosa just so they slide to us. 

I kind of see the opposite- the more mocks I see the more I get the feeling that bosa or ramsey have a good chance Of falling To us. even tunsil Is possible.

1) Bosa

2)Goff

3) Ramsey

4)Wentz

5)Buckner

6) Tunsil 

Or 

1) Tunsil

2)Goff

3)Stanley

4)Wentz/ Ashawn Robinson

5)Ramsey

6) Bosa

 

a top notch player is inevitably going to fall to us. Whether it be bosa, ramsey, tunsil, or buckner. And if  Something Wild happens and none of them do we still have the option for treadwell, Spence or jack. Whether we trade back or not.

 

Edited February 15, 2016 by January J

[Jacquouille]

11 minutes ago, January J said:

I kind of see the opposite- the more mocks I see the more I get the feeling that bosa or ramsey have a good chance Of falling To us. even tunsil Is possible.

a top notch player is inevitably going to fall to us. Whether it be bosa, ramsey, tunsil, or buckner. And if  Something Wild happens and none of them do we still have the option for treadwell, Spence or jack. Whether we trade back or not.

 

I can't think of any scenario in which Ramsey falls to us. He should be the highest player on both Dallas' and Jax's board, and he's gonna destroy the combine, being the athlete he is.

However, I have this feeling that Bosa will not dominate the combine and will slide to us, just like Sizz at the time. For now I think it's between Jack, Hargreaves and Spence (though I'm not a big fan of Spence).

[Clmraven]

10 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

We were also 25th in points scored. Passing yards don't mean much, if you don't have a red zone threat and who exactly do we have to score points outside of the ageing Steve Smith or the inexperienced Perriman? You're right we had two 14 point leads against the Pats and still lost, but in doing so got closer to a SB than many of our teams that had great defenses. I'll take Ramsey over Tread and I'm okay with taking Myles Jack at #6 also. I don't know, if I'd take Spence or Buckner over him though. Just my opinion, though. I like Treadwell alot, just because he feels like a very safe pick to me, who will do great in the NFL.

I think our tight ends can help us in the redzone, along with Buck Allen who I think can be a sneaky good redzone guy as a receiver, we need to just add a receiver in the 2nd or 3rd. I still don't think Treadwell is worth it at 6. We have a desperate need on defense, it's proven every year that defense continues to be the biggest factor to SB winners.

[Bruce_Almty]

I'd wait for the QB carousel to shakeout leading up to the draft b4 I'd ever project any of this year's crop of QBs to a top 10 (and esp a top 5) selection. I know desperate teams do desperate things, but a top 10 selection of a 2nd or 3rd round project.... See the 2011 QBs that were snatched early...what a waste of a good draft pick.

Edited February 15, 2016 by Bruce_Almty

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, January J said:

I kind of see the opposite- the more mocks I see the more I get the feeling that bosa or ramsey have a good chance Of falling To us. even tunsil Is possible.

1) Bosa

2)Goff

3) Ramsey

4)Wentz

5)Buckner

6) Tunsil 

Or 

1) Tunsil

2)Goff

3)Stanley

4)Wentz/ Ashawn Robinson

5)Ramsey

6) Bosa

 

a top notch player is inevitably going to fall to us. Whether it be bosa, ramsey, tunsil, or buckner. And if  Something Wild happens and none of them do we still have the option for treadwell, Spence or jack. Whether we trade back or not.

 

Truthfully I can't foresee a realistic scenario where Dallas actually goes for a QB given that Romo can play for the next 3-4 yrs at a high level. I think they draft defense and possibly one of Ramsey or Bosa based on who's available. The top 5 players prior to the combine are Bosa, Ramsey, Tunsil and Buckner with potentially Wentz/Goff going top 5 to Cleveland. So, we may very well be stuck with who's left.