Who should we take at #6?

[January J]

I see the chargers going Tunsil.

[52520Andrew]

7 minutes ago, January J said:

I see the chargers going Tunsil.

I see the Chargers not having the chance to go Tunsil

[January J]

3 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I see  the Chargers not having the chance to go Tunsil

Well its Pretty much One or The other between tunsil Or bosa unless somebody Throws a real curveball.

[52520Andrew]

2 minutes ago, January J said:

Well its Pretty much One or The other between tunsil Or bosa unless somebody Throws a real curveball.

I just don't see the Titans not taking Tunsil at this point, maybe if they hit it in FA but they have 2 edge rushers already

[RavensFanMania]

Interesting article and I agree, it won't affect his draft standing.  Too bad, because he's my top choice.

[usmccharles]

I think Titans go Tunsil and move Lewan to RT.  It will upgrade both positions and protect their franchise qb for the future.   

 

I tried to quote @52520andrew but this stupid update keeps quoting 2 week old losts

[L.A.Ravens]

The first 3 picks are almost locks. 1.OT 2.QB.3.OT. So we are going to have some really good players to pick from. 

[ngatainmyhouse]

15 minutes ago, L.A.Ravens said:

The first 3 picks are almost locks. 1.OT 2.QB.3.OT. So we are going to have some really good players to pick from. 

I would say with Chargers at 3 that OT is probably the 3rd likely position they'll address. S/CB (Ramsey) DE/OLB (Bosa,Buckner) and OT would be their 3rd priority to address with the 3rd overall pick

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, L.A.Ravens said:

The first 3 picks are almost locks. 1.OT 2.QB.3.OT. So we are going to have some really good players to pick from. 

it will be tough for the chargers to take stanley over bosa/ramsey/buckner, i see no scenario where they do that, they have already stated that they want to revamp the defense and give it a spark, they have a long list of candidates who can do exactly that at 3

[allblackraven]

36 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

it will be tough for the chargers to take stanley over bosa/ramsey/buckner, i see no scenario where they do that, they have already stated that they want to revamp the defense and give it a spark, they have a long list of candidates who can do exactly that at 3

Yeah. Unless Titans for some reason don't take Tunsil, I can't see Chargers passing on Bosa.

Edited February 11, 2016 by allblackraven
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[Dewy101]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

I think Titans go Tunsil and move Lewan to RT.  It will upgrade both positions and protect their franchise qb for the future.   

 

I tried to quote @52520andrew but this stupid update keeps quoting 2 week old losts

I think Titans go Tunsil and move Lewan to RT.  It will upgrade both positions and protect their franchise qb for the future.   

 

I tried to quote @52520andrew but this stupid update keeps quoting 2 week old losts

 

3 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

I just don't see the Titans not taking Tunsil at this point, maybe if they hit it in FA but they have 2 edge rushers already

I wouldn't call Derrick Morgan much of an edge rusher. Titans would be foolish to give up on the amount of investment they've put in building their o line(Lewan, Warmack,Pouttasi, Schenke) and spend another high pick on the o line when their 27th ranked scoring defense needs help. 

[L.A.Ravens]

Rivers had no protection at all last year. They're going OT

[L.A.Ravens]

In two weeks the nfl combine begins so we will all see which player we want most and if he performed well enough for a 6th pick overall.  Interviews begin two weeks from today. DB workouts are two weeks from Monday. WR is two weeks from Tomorrow. excited about the wide outs, we need and will get a good one in the 2nd round possibly 3rd round. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

Rivers had no protection at all last year. They're going OT

it doesnt matter what they need man, stanley is nowhere near the same caliber of talent as bosa/ramsey/buckner, and all of those 3 are dire needs for them as well. just like teams dont force a trade down for cap reasons as you suggested in another thread, teams dont make massive reaches based solely on need. these are professional GMs, not madden franchise mode players.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

 

I wouldn't call Derrick Morgan much of an edge rusher. Titans would be foolish to give up on the amount of investment they've put in building their o line(Lewan, Warmack,Pouttasi, Schenke) and spend another high pick on the o line when their 27th ranked scoring defense needs help. 

or maybe they see how well it worked for the cowboys to just throw everything plus the kitchen sink at your OL and let the rest fall into place. there has never been a case where a great OL has been a bad thing, you can over invest in skill positions, over invest in coverage guys, over invest in run stuffers, but the better and deeper your OL is the better chance you have to go from worst to first just by adding one or 2 key players.

[L.A.Ravens]

Johnny Phoenix in the 6th round would be a great pick up as a backup QB. Hands down he could be first overall if he didn't break his neck a couple yrs ago. He's 100% healthy now. 

[CalvinSmoke]

I don't want bosa, even if he falls to us. No thanks. 

[usmccharles]

9 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

 

I wouldn't call Derrick Morgan much of an edge rusher. Titans would be foolish to give up on the amount of investment they've put in building their o line(Lewan, Warmack,Pouttasi, Schenke) and spend another high pick on the o line when their 27th ranked scoring defense needs help. 

Its not exactly giving up.  If they take Tunsil and move Lewan to RT.  They instantly improve both LT and RT and could have a dominant Oline which is extremely important developing a young QB.  Titans will have roughly around 25mill in cap space before cuts to make moves in FA.  They wont be a good team next year either, adding another dominant Oline player will boost that whole offense.  Id much rather protect my young franchise qb first than spend my first draft pick on hurting others qb. 

 

18 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

I don't want bosa, even if he falls to us. No thanks. 

I thought I was the only one.  I just don't see it.

[CalvinSmoke]

39 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I thought I was the only one.  I just don't see it.

Lol yea man... I waited to see if better film would come out... But we pretty much have him in Upshaw... I actually believe that 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Lol yea man... I waited to see if better film would come out... But we pretty much have him in Upshaw... I actually believe that 

I can understand some concerns over bosa.. But that's a stretch lol

[usmccharles]

15 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Lol yea man... I waited to see if better film would come out... But we pretty much have him in Upshaw... I actually believe that 

Well I wouldn't say that lol.  Bosa could very well turn into a beast.  I have no valid reason of not wanting to go with him, just more of a hunch

[CalvinSmoke]

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I can understand some concerns over bosa.. But that's a stretch lol

Lol he's better than Upshaw of course but I don't see it bro. Help me understand better, I see an AWESOME run defender and a very limited pass rusher. He's got one move, and if he's not flat out better than the RT he's up against he gets stuck. He doesn't quit but I don't see the beast that he's being hyped as. Tell me what I don't see 

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Lol he's better than Upshaw of course but I don't see it bro. Help me understand better, I see an AWESOME run defender and a very limited pass rusher. He's got one move, and if he's not flat out better than the RT he's up against he gets stuck. He doesn't quit but I don't see the beast that he's being hyped as. Tell me what I don't see 

That was my thing.  In the NFL I doubt he is just going to be able to bull rush every single tackle.  He will get some effort sacks with his high motor, that's a always a plus.  But you can learn pass rush moves. 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Lol he's better than Upshaw of course but I don't see it bro. Help me understand better, I see an AWESOME run defender and a very limited pass rusher. He's got one move, and if he's not flat out better than the RT he's up against he gets stuck. He doesn't quit but I don't see the beast that he's being hyped as. Tell me what I don't see 

What would you say this one move is? Because I see quite a few moves. He has brute strength and great hand usage, a lot of his stuff may look like a plain bullrush but its how he finishes that sets him apart. He can start his snap with a bullrush but can quickly diagnose the best route to the qb and create his lane with great hands, his rip move is awe inspiring, it is just so violent and quick and effortless, he also has quick feet and great first step, he can win the edge or he can win the inside lane, OTs will be nervous because they know he can just shove them around but can also beat them to either side on any given snap. I see a very distinct difference between him and Upshaw and that is the first step, the refined hand usage, and the quick feet, not to mention everything Upshaw does bosa does better lol. Among all these things though you see a natural ball player, mentally it just clicks for him, he's a very smart player and understands how to do his job

[CalvinSmoke]

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What would you say this one move is? Because I see quite a few moves. He has brute strength and great hand usage, a lot of his stuff may look like a plain bullrush but its how he finishes that sets him apart. He can start his snap with a bullrush but can quickly diagnose the best route to the qb and create his lane with great hands, his rip move is awe inspiring, it is just so violent and quick and effortless, he also has quick feet and great first step, he can win the edge or he can win the inside lane, OTs will be nervous because they know he can just shove them around but can also beat them to either side on any given snap. I see a very distinct difference between him and Upshaw and that is the first step, the refined hand usage, and the quick feet, not to mention everything Upshaw does bosa does better lol. Among all these things though you see a natural ball player, mentally it just clicks for him, he's a very smart player and understands how to do his job

Fair assessment but I don't see a good first step from him rarely ever. I've seen him win with his hands when his initial move doesn't work, but that's almost always with a completely outclassed tackle that's crossing his feet in his back pedal. And the move I'm talking about is often the rip move, when it doesn't work he is stuffed. And if he starts bull rush and doesn't win off of power he's stuck. He gets coverage sacks when he has time to disengage and hand fight, completely valid, but I don't see that translating into the league. Again he's a superb run defender he extends, reads the play and pounces, but he's not agile, not explosive and doesn't have great bend, and he also can't cover. I don't see it, 34 defensive end or a strong side 43 end. More Chris long than jj watt.  he doesn't suck but idk if he's the guy he's hyped to be. 

[CalvinSmoke]

23 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

That was my thing.  In the NFL I doubt he is just going to be able to bull rush every single tackle.  He will get some effort sacks with his high motor, that's a always a plus.  But you can learn pass rush moves. 

He could learn em, but we ate talking about a potential 1st pick of the draft being a defender, ya know. I would like to see him become great, but idk man. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Fair assessment but I don't see a good first step from him rarely ever. I've seen him win with his hands when his initial move doesn't work, but that's almost always with a completely outclassed tackle that's crossing his feet in his back pedal. And the move I'm talking about is often the rip move, when it doesn't work he is stuffed. And if he starts bull rush and doesn't win off of power he's stuck. He gets coverage sacks when he has time to disengage and hand fight, completely valid, but I don't see that translating into the league. Again he's a superb run defender he extends, reads the play and pounces, but he's not agile, not explosive and doesn't have great bend, and he also can't cover. I don't see it, 34 defensive end or a strong side 43 end. More Chris long than jj watt.  he doesn't suck but idk if he's the guy he's hyped to be. 

Fair assessment but I think you may be undwrrating his agility a bit. It isn't the best ever but for a guy as powerful as he is it is impressive. I try to see the whole package rather than key in on specific traits, just like if a wr has great routes and good size but no speed, He can use those traits in tandem to generate his own kind of separation, I see bosa in that same light, he is so powerful that when he uses it in tandem with his great hands and solid athleticism then he can win, he doesn't need some stellar explosiveness or quick spin move because his combined assets will keep tackles on their heels. He's the kind of guy that tackles can't give an inch because he can exploit it, blockers will need to stay tightly engaged with him at all times and can't overcompensate in any direction, where with a guy like spence a tackle can overextend to the corner and take the edge away and neutralize him, you just can't do that with Bosa, you have to engage him and just beat him head up to stop him

[outkast1]

If the Ravens want Joey Bosa , they can get him at pick 6. I have Noah Spence going higher than Bosa.

[CalvinSmoke]

26 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Fair assessment but I think you may be undwrrating his agility a bit. It isn't the best ever but for a guy as powerful as he is it is impressive. I try to see the whole package rather than key in on specific traits, just like if a wr has great routes and good size but no speed, He can use those traits in tandem to generate his own kind of separation, I see bosa in that same light, he is so powerful that when he uses it in tandem with his great hands and solid athleticism then he can win, he doesn't need some stellar explosiveness or quick spin move because his combined assets will keep tackles on their heels. He's the kind of guy that tackles can't give an inch because he can exploit it, blockers will need to stay tightly engaged with him at all times and can't overcompensate in any direction, where with a guy like spence a tackle can overextend to the corner and take the edge away and neutralize him, you just can't do that with Bosa, you have to engage him and just beat him head up to stop him

This might have to be a wait and see. At best he will be a damned good hand fighter, 45+ tackles and 3 sacks as a full time starter his rookie year. Thats my very unprofessional assessment 

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

This might have to be a wait and see. At best he will be a damned good hand fighter, 45+ tackles and 3 sacks as a full time starter his rookie year. Thats my very unprofessional assessment 

Is he going to be a rotational player? or who does he start over in your guy's opinion