Who should we take at #6?

[Jacquouille]

Changed my mind when I started watching some tape of Myles Jack. He's the best talent in the draft to me, even better than Ramsey.

[Dewy101]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But clearly what von Miller and ware brought to the field was what made the Broncos who they are. You could have replaced wolfe and Jackson with just decent players and the olbs are still dominant. It's von Miller and demarcus ware under wade Phillips for God's sake lol

No you couldn't. Teams would slide protection towards Miller. That never happened this season because of Malik and Wolfe they were too good in the middle. Miller always got one on one. Replacing Wolfe and Jackson with average players would've made them very weak against the run and the lack of pass rush inside would also allow teams to double Miller. Miller would eventually beat those double teams, but no way he gets to the QB as fast as he did this season. 

Edited February 10, 2016 by Dewy101

[Jaybirds]

Isn't this exactly why we want Buckner?  A high-pressure DE gives the OLB a better chance at getting in?  That was my big takeaway of Oregon's 4i technique.  That's not exactly the same as what Denver was doing.  But the DEs definitely helped Miller. 

Edited February 10, 2016 by Jaybirds

[ravensnj]

Believe it or not, Bosa is falling to us.

[Winchester]

On 2/9/2016 at 9:27 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would agree to but that sounds like the worst time ever lol. I can't bear people who don't know when to stop talking out off their rear end.

Seeing more of why you love Buckner so much the more of him I watch.

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Believe it or not, Bosa is falling to us.

It is a possibility. But, why have the pundits cooled off on him after all the earlier hype?

[ngatainmyhouse]

I hate seeing people project Ramsey falling to 6. Ideally that's who we would grab but there is already this much hype around him and the combine hasn't even happened yet. He is going to have ridiculous numbers that only help his draft stock

[Boddiebroadus]

On the Soence at #6 wagon now. Saw a mock on SI with us taking him there. I'd go Spence, Ramsey, Buckner, then bosa.  Also where is Andrew Billings suppose to go. Just watched film on him and dude is a beast. I know it's not the biggest need but him in the 2nd could be an option. 

[Boddiebroadus]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Changed my mind when I started watching some tape of Myles Jack. He's the best talent in the draft to me, even better than Ramsey.

I also really like jack more so than smith. He can do literally everything on defense. 

[Italian Raven]

Just now, Boddiebroadus said:

On the Soence at #6 wagon now. Saw a mock on SI with us taking him there. I'd go Spence, Ramsey, Buckner, then bosa.  Also where is Andrew Billings suppose to go. Just watched film on him and dude is a beast. I know it's not the biggest need but him in the 2nd could be an option. 

I have him at GB with the #27.
He'll show off his upper body strenght at the bench press, which will likely solodify his round one/top 20 grade imo.
He doesn't have that quick side step and powerful slap that Poe displays in order to rush the passer, but he's a crazy run stopper. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

No you couldn't. Teams would slide protection towards Miller. That never happened this season because of Malik and Wolfe they were too good in the middle. Miller always got one on one. Replacing Wolfe and Jackson with average players would've made them very weak against the run and the lack of pass rush inside would also allow teams to double Miller. Miller would eventually beat those double teams, but no way he gets to the QB as fast as he did this season. 

terrell suggs is a far inferior pass rusher to both miller and ware, we didnt lose anyone on our DL but we lost suggs, our pass rush became nonexistent as a result, and aside from suggs it was the same lineup as the year prior when we were i believe 2nd in sacks.

 

in a 3-4, the OLBs make the pass rush go. the DEs help, and if you have a truly elite DE in a 3-4 then you may be the exception to the rule, but as strong as the broncos DEs are, ware and miller are the focal point, the entire gameplan revolves around their ability to get pressure, your OLBs can still get pressure by bending the corner against tackles even with average DEs, but with average rush linebackers in a 3-4 nobody is gonna be getting consistent pressure. 

 

obviously the better your DEs the better your results will be, but the same can be said for any position. OLBs of ware and millers caliber are what make elite 3-4s happen

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

terrell suggs is a far inferior pass rusher to both miller and ware, we didnt lose anyone on our DL but we lost suggs, our pass rush became nonexistent as a result, and aside from suggs it was the same lineup as the year prior when we were i believe 2nd in sacks.

 

in a 3-4, the OLBs make the pass rush go. the DEs help, and if you have a truly elite DE in a 3-4 then you may be the exception to the rule, but as strong as the broncos DEs are, ware and miller are the focal point, the entire gameplan revolves around their ability to get pressure, your OLBs can still get pressure by bending the corner against tackles even with average DEs, but with average rush linebackers in a 3-4 nobody is gonna be getting consistent pressure. 

 

obviously the better your DEs the better your results will be, but the same can be said for any position. OLBs of ware and millers caliber are what make elite 3-4s happen

You forgot we had Ngata and McPhee previous year - they made lot of difference to our pass rush

[JoeyFlex5]

27 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

You forgot we had Ngata and McPhee previous year - they made lot of difference to our pass rush

thats true lol i totally forgot about ngata, so i was wrong when i said we lost nobody on the DL. 

 

but you get the point, the OLB in the 3-4 really is the focal point and it always has been lol

[allblackraven]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

thats true lol i totally forgot about ngata, so i was wrong when i said we lost nobody on the DL. 

but you get the point, the OLB in the 3-4 really is the focal point and it always has been lol

Yep, I agree with you, that's why I want Spence over Buckner. We have enough "helpers" on our D line, time to find someone to actually drop that QB.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, Boddiebroadus said:

I also really like jack more so than smith. He can do literally everything on defense. 

He can do everything and be elite at it. Shut down Eifert and Barnidge? Line up as OLB and rush the passer as well as 90% Edge in the league? Or slot corner? You just have to name it with him, I don't know where to begin, he's off the charts. 

I even saw him line up as an interior rusher... And I also have yet to see a completion against him (for I would say 50 snaps where he covered. He had one INT). He's the next great LB of this league. 

[L.A.Ravens]

With the sixth pick in the 2016 NFL Draft the Baltimore Ravens select: Chuck Norris! He runs a 3 second 40. He's amazing.

[allblackraven]

Just now, L.A.Ravens said:

With the sixth pick in the 2016 NFL Draft the Baltimore Ravens select: Chuck Norris! He runs a 3 second 40. He's amazing.

Nah, too old.

We need to trade the pick to Dallas for Barry Church.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Yep, I agree with you, that's why I want Spence over Buckner. We have enough "helpers" on our D line, time to find someone to actually drop that QB.

Lol stupid me arguing against my preferences... 

 

 

If try to have a unbiased view in a lot of cases and right now I'm doing that. I actually do prefer buckner because I think he's not just another good 34DE, I think he's special, he is a day one starter and could catapult to first team all pro every year, swatting passes, 8-10 sacks a year, 20+ TFL and doing all of this against 2 blockers at all times. I love Spence for us but I simply don't see him ever having the impact I see buckner having.

[allblackraven]

54 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lol stupid me arguing against my preferences... 

If try to have a unbiased view in a lot of cases and right now I'm doing that. I actually do prefer buckner because I think he's not just another good 34DE, I think he's special, he is a day one starter and could catapult to first team all pro every year, swatting passes, 8-10 sacks a year, 20+ TFL and doing all of this against 2 blockers at all times. I love Spence for us but I simply don't see him ever having the impact I see buckner having.

I really like both those guys and I think Buckner can do more things well but I think Spence is the guy who would ultimately have more impact on Ravens defense. That first step, hands and bend are unreal, they almost force you to double team him but then there's trouble coming from Dumervil, Suggs, Jernigan, Mosley, Z. Smith. I've watched lot of tape and saw just a handful of snaps in which he didn't own the edge. He should be good in his rookie year but after he's coached up and learns how to finish better, watch out.

The only player in this draft I would pick ahead of Spence is probably Bosa but I don't have any illusions of him being available outside the top 3.

[Davesta]

Dream scenario would be to trade back to the teens and still able to get spence. 

[sflegend89]

I am really starting to think we trade this pick if Bosa or Ramsey aren't there. If we can't find a trade partner then it will be Jack, Stanley, or Buckner.

 

The "top WR" infatuation phase with Treadwell is over for me. I love his physicality and catch radius but I just don't think he has the speed or splash play ability to justify taking him that high. If I'm picking a WR that high I want a guy who can run after the catch and take a short-intermediate throw to the house every once in a a while, I just don't see that in Treadwell's game. Good player, but just because he's the top WR in the class doesn't mean you overdraft him, it's not a good WR class as far as elite talent goes, much better value with guys like Boyd, Doctson, Coleman, and Braxton Miller. In fact I think Boyd might actually be a better pro than Treadwell, he brings a lot of that same jumpball ability that Treawell has but can actually run past people in the open field and make big plays with his feet.

 

 I still think Perriman has the goods to be a #1 guy, we have a great TE core, nice stable of RB's, and some pieces at WR already. To me this 1st rounder almost certainly needs to be a playmaker for the defense and we can still add a high upside WR in round 2 or 3. This team needs to get back to it's roots with a strong defensive unit and that starts with the investment of a high draft pick.

Edited February 11, 2016 by sflegend89

[ALPHA]

I like Treadwell, hes not a complete slam dunk #1 prospect you want with a top 10 pick but he would definitely bail Joe out and keep plays alive, that could turn games for us. 

 

With that said we need defensive help, the 3-4 OLB tag to me is arbitrary, we end up overlooking talented pass rushers because they arent a certain height or weight. If a guy can rush the QB then you find a place for him.

[usmccharles]

32 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

I am really starting to think we trade this pick if Bosa or Ramsey aren't there. If we can't find a trade partner then it will be Jack, Stanley, or Buckner.

 

The "top WR" infatuation phase with Treadwell is over for me. I love his physicality and catch radius but I just don't think he has the speed or splash play ability to justify taking him that high. If I'm picking a WR that high I want a guy who can run after the catch and take a short-intermediate throw to the house every once in a a while, I just don't see that in Treadwell's game. Good player, but just because he's the top WR in the class doesn't mean you overdraft him, it's not a good WR class as far as elite talent goes, much better value with guys like Boyd, Doctson, Coleman, and Braxton Miller. In fact I think Boyd might actually be a better pro than Treadwell, he brings a lot of that same jumpball ability that Treawell has but can actually run past people in the open field and make big plays with his feet.

 

 I still think Perriman has the goods to be a #1 guy, we have a great TE core, nice stable of RB's, and some pieces at WR already. To me this 1st rounder almost certainly needs to be a playmaker for the defense and we can still add a high upside WR in round 2 or 3. This team needs to get back to it's roots with a strong defensive unit and that starts with the investment of a high draft pick.

I agree completely.  At first I really wanted Judge Tread (as I call him) because he reminded me of a slower Dez Bryant.  But the more I watched I realized hes going to struggle to runaway from defenders in the NFL.  I think of him as a Boldin type of player, which is never a bad thing.  I think our offense is fine at the moment, we do need to prepare for the future with RB and WR, I am not a fan of Buck and SSr is done.  But that's why im hoping our first two picks are defense unless Boyd is there, I really like him. 

[Jacquouille]

44 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

I am really starting to think we trade this pick if Bosa or Ramsey aren't there. If we can't find a trade partner then it will be Jack, Stanley, or Buckner.

 

The "top WR" infatuation phase with Treadwell is over for me. I love his physicality and catch radius but I just don't think he has the speed or splash play ability to justify taking him that high. If I'm picking a WR that high I want a guy who can run after the catch and take a short-intermediate throw to the house every once in a a while, I just don't see that in Treadwell's game. Good player, but just because he's the top WR in the class doesn't mean you overdraft him, it's not a good WR class as far as elite talent goes, much better value with guys like Boyd, Doctson, Coleman, and Braxton Miller. In fact I think Boyd might actually be a better pro than Treadwell, he brings a lot of that same jumpball ability that Treawell has but can actually run past people in the open field and make big plays with his feet.

 

 I still think Perriman has the goods to be a #1 guy, we have a great TE core, nice stable of RB's, and some pieces at WR already. To me this 1st rounder almost certainly needs to be a playmaker for the defense and we can still add a high upside WR in round 2 or 3. This team needs to get back to it's roots with a strong defensive unit and that starts with the investment of a high draft pick.

Funny, that's exactly how I'm starting to feel also. I'd be more comfortable with Shepard in the 3rd. I wouldn't be against Coleman if he makes it to the 2nd, which I doubt... Boyd absolutly, as long as we don't take Spence in the first. Having two guys with off field history seems a bad idea.

[sflegend89]

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I agree completely.  At first I really wanted Judge Tread (as I call him) because he reminded me of a slower Dez Bryant.  But the more I watched I realized hes going to struggle to runaway from defenders in the NFL.  I think of him as a Boldin type of player, which is never a bad thing.  I think our offense is fine at the moment, we do need to prepare for the future with RB and WR, I am not a fan of Buck and SSr is done.  But that's why im hoping our first two picks are defense unless Boyd is there, I really like him. 

Yeah I also see him being similar to a Boldin type in the NFL. Nothing wrong with that but  not exactly a skill set that screams #6 overall pick. Especially when you have a whole bunch of guys that will make it to us in round 2 who aren't far off at all from Treadwell, possibly even better in some cases. Much more bang for your buck if you take Ramsey/Bosa/Jack at #6 or trade back and take Spence/VH3/Alexander/Jaylon Smith then in the 2nd round you take your WR from Boyd/Thomas/Miller/Doctson. Any of those guys could end up being better than Treadwell for all we know and you also get a premiere defender, I would be thrilled with any combination of those players in rounds 1 and 2.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Yeah I also see him being similar to a Boldin type in the NFL. Nothing wrong with that but  not exactly a skill set that screams #6 overall pick. Especially when you have a whole bunch of guys that will make it to us in round 2 who aren't far off at all from Treadwell, possibly even better in some cases. Much more bang for your buck if you take Ramsey/Bosa/Jack at #6 or trade back and take Spence/VH3/Alexander/Jaylon Smith then in the 2nd round you take your WR from Boyd/Thomas/Miller/Doctson. Any of those guys could end up being better than Treadwell for all we know and you also get a premiere defender, I would be thrilled with any combination of those players in rounds 1 and 2.

Yea I keep forgetting how early we pick in the 2nd, that could really change things.  But I wouldn't be surprised if Boyd goes to the panthers or someone late.  Its nice to have options for once

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I really like both those guys and I think Buckner can do more things well but I think Spence is the guy who would ultimately have more impact on Ravens defense. That first step, hands and bend are unreal, they almost force you to double team him but then there's trouble coming from Dumervil, Suggs, Jernigan, Mosley, Z. Smith. I've watched lot of tape and saw just a handful of snaps in which he didn't own the edge. He should be good in his rookie year but after he's coached up and learns how to finish better, watch out.

The only player in this draft I would pick ahead of Spence is probably Bosa but I don't have any illusions of him being available outside the top 3.

You really like spence huh? I am a huge Spence fan and he absolutely could end up the best pass rusher from this class, but he could also be a liability against the run and even though the signs are encouraging, there's no guarantee he improves there. I wish I could just root for Spence because he's the only one that I think will DEFINITELY be there

[ALI624]

Does anyone see the Chargers taking Stanley or Treadwell to try to appease Rivers because reportedly he was considering retirement and has said he doesn't was to play in L.A.? One of these two may be the difference in him staying or not.

[Clmraven]

13 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Does anyone see the Chargers taking Stanley or Treadwell to try to appease Rivers because reportedly he was considering retirement and has said he doesn't was to play in L.A.? One of these two may be the difference in him staying or not.

I don't think either would present good value at #3, and if Rivers is really considering retirement they'd be better off drafting a QB and having at least a year to develop him.

[rmw10]

On February 9, 2016 at 3:05 PM, L.A.Ravens said:

We are not picking at 6. To much money, which we don't have.

Rivers agreed to an extension with them before the season, knowing full well that the move to LA was a possibility.  I think he's put that aside.