Who should we take at #6?

[RaineV1]

I'm warming up to the idea of taking Buckner.Jernigan, Buckner, and ZDS give us a few good pass rushers that are still young. And the Ravens have been very good at getting DL to play up to their potential, so bringing in a potentially elite lineman would be smart.

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I'm warming up to the idea of taking Buckner.Jernigan, Buckner, and ZDS give us a few good pass rushers that are still young. And the Ravens have been very good at getting DL to play up to their potential, so bringing in a potentially elite lineman would be smart.

I think buckner has the highest floor in this class. And I think he has one of the higher ceilings as well. And DE is actually a very underrated need for us, canty is not a solid plan anymore

[RaineV1]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think buckner has the highest floor in this class. And I think he has one of the higher ceilings as well. And DE is actually a very underrated need for us, canty is not a solid plan anymore

Agreed. Guy wouldn't be that bad as the starting DE, but he doesn't offer much in terms of passrushing. He's better for short yardarge situations. In truth Jernigan is really the only good. somewhat consistent interior passrusher we have, so adding another would really be helpful.

[JoeyFlex5]

26 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Agreed. Guy wouldn't be that bad as the starting DE, but he doesn't offer much in terms of passrushing. He's better for short yardarge situations. In truth Jernigan is really the only good. somewhat consistent interior passrusher we have, so adding another would really be helpful.

We also have no length up front. Our guys are all meatballs. Buckner is very good at recognizing when to stand up and clog a passing lane and get his hands up, something that we could really use

[January J]

On Tuesday, February 02, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Jaybirds said:

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

We also have no length up front. Our guys are all meatballs. Buckner is very good at recognizing when to stand up and clog a passing lane and get his hands up, something that we could really use

I'm so torn between Ramsey and buckner. I've gone back and forth, if both of them are on the board when we pick I think my head might explode. Spence is pretty enticing too, and obobviously severAl arguments can be made for treadwell. I'm fairly certain it will come down to 1 of those 4.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, January J said:

 

Ramsey would be the pick and for good reason lol

[Winchester]

I would prefer the ravens to trade down and try to pick up an extra round2 pick and take Spence. His speed rush would make the biggest impact on defense. I am not yet sold on Buckner. I do not see the elite burst off the edge. Not saying he is a scrub but not a dynamic rusher either. If Carl Davis turns out to be what he was drafted for I do not see Buckner as that big an upgrade to take him at #6 overall. Spence can be the new elite edge Rusher and a speed rush the ravens have not seen since Boulware.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I would prefer the ravens to trade down and try to pick up an extra round2 pick and take Spence. His speed rush would make the biggest impact on defense. I am not yet sold on Buckner. I do not see the elite burst off the edge. Not saying he is a scrub but not a dynamic rusher either. If Carl Davis turns out to be what he was drafted for I do not see Buckner as that big an upgrade to take him at #6 overall. Spence can be the new elite edge Rusher and a speed rush the ravens have not seen since Boulware.

 

Are you really looking for an edge rusher when you draft a guy like buckner? Because that wouldn't make sense. 

 

He is a prototype 3-4DE, and we actually need one badly. Davis has weight and work ethic problems and is very inconsistent, canty is obviously not the answer, neither is urban, guy is just a guy, albeit a strong run defender, but all of these guys are average at best and one dimensional, and cannot be depended on. Buckner gives us an immediate massive upgrade and fills one of the bigger future needs on the team with a player who very well could be 2nd only to jj watt at his position.

[Winchester]

Any defensive player drafted top 10 double digit sacks is the goal. Buckner  is not in the same league as watt in my opinion. Like I said I do not see elite burst or power.

[Maryland]

It's fun to see how lists evolve from mid-season to draft time. Case in point: Stanley and Ramsey are off-limits in this poll when both are getting some negative feedback from fans (Stanley especially, who should not go top-10 imo).

The difference a month makes

Edited February 7, 2016 by Maryland

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

Any defensive player drafted top 10 double digit sacks is the goal. Buckner  is not in the same league as watt in my opinion. Like I said I do not see elite burst or power.

You have got to be kidding me.. I can't even tell if you're being serious... Wow, just wow. Ngata, suh, Leonard williams, Sheldon Richardson(just barely out of top 10), poe, marcell dareus, and the list goes on. They must all be scrubs huh? Top 10 DE/DTs, I just listed one from all but one of the past 5 classes(that remaining class didn't have any player of this ilk drafted top 10) and combined there are a total of 2 double digit sack seasons from all of those guys. You honestly have no clue how to evaluate a football player if you think a DT without 10 sacks or more is a bust. I can't even fathom how you could actually type that up and not check yourself before you press send, just a competently ridiculous statement.

Edited February 7, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[Jacquouille]

I can't believe 15% of the people here would take Shawn Oakman in the 1st. I wouldn't even touch him in the 4th.

[ALI624]

26 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I can't believe 15% of the people here would take Shawn Oakman in the 1st. I wouldn't even touch him in the 4th.

That spot was changed from Ramsey and you cannot change your pick with the new layout.

[Mt. Crushmore]

1 hour ago, ALI624 said:

That spot was changed from Ramsey and you cannot change your pick with the new layout.

Great, my vote now counts for Oakman...

[ALI624]

6 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Great, my vote now counts for Oakman...

Lol yep.

[RavensFanMania]

 

8 hours ago, Winchester said:

I would prefer the ravens to trade down and try to pick up an extra round2 pick and take Spence. His speed rush would make the biggest impact on defense. I am not yet sold on Buckner. I do not see the elite burst off the edge. Not saying he is a scrub but not a dynamic rusher either. If Carl Davis turns out to be what he was drafted for I do not see Buckner as that big an upgrade to take him at #6 overall. Spence can be the new elite edge Rusher and a speed rush the ravens have not seen since Boulware.

 

Depends on how far back.  I love Spence's burst off the edge and his bend, but I'm concerned with his ability to convert speed to power, which I have mentioned on this board.  Good tackles will be able to adjust to speed if that's all a player has, he needs to have more power to be truly successful at the next level. 

 

 

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

Any defensive player drafted top 10 double digit sacks is the goal. Buckner  is not in the same league as watt in my opinion. Like I said I do not see elite burst or power.

How do you not see the Elite speed or power from Buckner.  What are you watching, Buckner has an elite burst in slow motion. 

[DomMcRaven]

I literally woke up from this crazy dream that we picked Ogbah with the #6 pick. Based on what you guys have said about him, I surely hope not. 

[L.A.Ravens]

Trade back and take Spence in the 1st. He won't make it to the 2nd round.

[RaineV1]

30 minutes ago, L.A.Ravens said:

Trade back and take Spence in the 1st. He won't make it to the 2nd round.

I agree that he won't make it to the second round. The absolute farthest he falls will be to the Cardinals in the first.

[January J]

19 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

I literally woke up from this crazy dream that we picked Ogbah with the #6 pick. Based on what you guys have said about him, I surely hope not. 

That's crazy you say that because a month or so Ago I had a dream that we picked ogbah too ! I believe I posted something about it as well. Not sure if it was at 6 or after a trade back but that's wild we both had dreams about a player that hasn't really been on anybody's radar.

Edited February 8, 2016 by January J

[DomMcRaven]

3 hours ago, January J said:

That's crazy you say that because a month or so Ago I had a dream that we picked ogbah too ! I believe I posted something about it as well. Not sure if it was at 6 or after a trade back but that's wild we both had dreams about a player that hasn't really been on anybody's radar.

I think I remember that now that you brought it up. But seriously, it just came out of the blue. So random it was. 

[Jacquouille]

4 hours ago, January J said:

That's crazy you say that because a month or so Ago I had a dream that we picked ogbah too ! I believe I posted something about it as well. Not sure if it was at 6 or after a trade back but that's wild we both had dreams about a player that hasn't really been on anybody's radar.

Yes, I wasn't on this forum at the time but I remember I read you saying that. Maybe because PFF had the same dream in their first mock?

[Clmraven]

On February 7, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Winchester said:

Any defensive player drafted top 10 double digit sacks is the goal. Buckner  is not in the same league as watt in my opinion. Like I said I do not see elite burst or power.

I disagree there's plenty of Interior lineman that go top ten that aren't even established pass rushers coming out of college, and based on Buckner's senior year I'd say he's a better pass rusher than Leonard Williams, and frankly he is a better prospect coming out of college than Watt was, you can't compare Buckner in college to Watt in the NFL, Watt is gonna go down as one of the best to ever play at any position, so just stop the whole "not in the same league as watt" thing because there is not one person in the NFL on the same level as Watt.

[ALI624]

3 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

I disagree there's plenty of Interior lineman that go top ten that aren't even established pass rushers coming out of college, and based on Buckner's senior year I'd say he's a better pass rusher than Leonard Williams, and frankly he is a better prospect coming out of college than Watt was, you can't compare Buckner in college to Watt in the NFL, Watt is gonna go down as one of the best to ever play at any position, so just stop the whole "not in the same league as watt" thing because there is not one person in the NFL on the same level as Watt.

Also Watt in college is not the Watt of now.    If he was no way he would go 11.  Watt has transformed himself into the best defensive player in the league so that is not a great comparison for basically anyone.  If we take Buckner I would not expect Watt, but if he is close that would be pretty awesome.

[GrimCoconut]

I really like Buckner. I know others don't and may not see it but I think he could play 4-3 end as well as 3-4 end. 

[allblackraven]

53 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really like Buckner. I know others don't and may not see it but I think he could play 4-3 end as well as 3-4 end. 

I'm not sure why others have doubts over him. He was always great in run D but last season he showed that he can rush from inside and out, too. For me, he is top 10 pick in this class.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I'm not sure why others have doubts over him. He was always great in run D but last season he showed that he can rush from inside and out, too. For me, he is top 10 pick in this class.

Yeah, I definitely agree that he's a top-10 pick for sure. He's arguably top-5. 

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah, I definitely agree that he's a top-10 pick for sure. He's arguably top-5. 

Possibly. I'd definitely rate him above any DB, just from the position value point of view.

That still leaves Spence for us at #6, which is who I really want.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Possibly. I'd definitely rate him above any DB, just from the position value point of view.

That still leaves Spence for us at #6, which is who I really want.

I don't rate him above Ramsey, personally. I really do like Spence a lot, though. Every time I watch him I am impressed with the speed at which he plays. He plays so fast and violent. 

[JoeyFlex5]

its no secret that i like buckner. the way i look at it, he is a safe bet. if we are looking to be certain that we get a good player with this high pick, buckner i think is our guy, i think his floor is sort of like a cameron heyward on his absolute best day, and his ceiling is.. well he has none, sky is the limit for a guy as massive and athletic as him, his high character and great motor and work ethic make him look like his upside is very realistic. 

 

at 6th overall the last thing you want is a bust, but you also dont want a low impact guy, ideally you want a player with a high floor and high ceiling to ensure you get a quality starter but also have a chance to have an elite player, buckner perfectly fits that category, i dont see how ravens fans could argue against him.