Who should we take at #6?

[PurpleCity5]

12 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Never thought of him as a 3-4 OLB and was surprised when I first heard of it but I think it could happen. He may be a poor man's Von Miller.

Interesting you brought that up, in an interview Smith said Miller is a guy he models his game after. 

[GrimCoconut]

13 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Interesting you brought that up, in an interview Smith said Miller is a guy he models his game after. 

I can certainly see that comparison after looking at him closer. I've warmed up considerably to the idea of us taking him at #6 overall and would do it if we're confident he can play this year for us. 

[PurpleCity5]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

I can certainly see that comparison after looking at him closer. I've warmed up considerably to the idea of us taking him at #6 overall and would do it if we're confident he can play this year for us. 

Yeah, I think of him as a hybrid OLB/ILB, similar to Clay Matthews, not similar in play but the fact that they can flex in and out in a pinch potentially. I didn't think of him as an OLB at first, but after watching him closely, I'm more convinced he can make that switch. Maybe he doesn't play there every defensive snaps, but if his transition is successful there, then I really believe, he can be our best first round draft pick since Joe Flacco. I think he's that great of a player overall. 

[thieverycorporation]

I wouldn't object to taking him @ 6. He would do excellent here. I wouldn't consider rushing him back. He should be allowed to heal fully. I don't believe in rushing and injured player back into service. Gurley is a prime example of patience paying big dividends. 

[ngatainmyhouse]

This may(does) sound absurd, but I feel that because we're getting Perriman back I am not as bothered by the fact that Jaylon Smith will not be ready by week 1. 

[thieverycorporation]

9 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

This may(does) sound absurd, but I feel that because we're getting Perriman back I am not as bothered by the fact that Jaylon Smith will not be ready by week 1. 

what you talkin bout willis?

[Dewy101]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I can certainly see that comparison after looking at him closer. I've warmed up considerably to the idea of us taking him at #6 overall and would do it if we're confident he can play this year for us. 

He's definitely athletically gifted, but I'd like to see more tape of him beating tackles off the edge. He absolutely demolishes RBs when blitzing. I really like Sheldon Day. He's plays so much like Pernell McPhee. I'm not sure if he's worth the #6 overall pick but he's definitely a low 1st high 2nd round pick. 

[ludy51]

22 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

Heck with it.  I'm going Sonny Weaver, Jr. on this thread. 

Jaylon Smith, no matter what.  

But did any of his teammates go to his birthday party?

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

what you talkin bout willis?

He's saying that Perriman is essentially a rookie first round pick, so if we got Jaylon Smith, we wouldn't be fretting to see Smith because Perriman is our first round pick "rookie" as well and at least we get to see one first round "rookie".

[Jaybirds]

39 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

But did any of his teammates go to his birthday party?

Did his knee surgeon? 

[ngatainmyhouse]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He's saying that Perriman is essentially a rookie first round pick, so if we got Jaylon Smith, we wouldn't be fretting to see Smith because Perriman is our first round pick "rookie" as well and at least we get to see one first round "rookie".

Exactly, and prior to injury most teams he was definitely top 5 on their big board and was heavily considered as the a potential 1st pick in the draft. I hate to say it but I really hope his draft stock falls. If Tunsil, Ramsey, and Bosa are gone at 6, I would love to move back and pick him. Two teams that have been projected to take Jaylon Smith are the Bears and the Raiders. The Eagles and Rams are two teams that are potential trading partners. If we traded with the Eagles we'd be more likely to land him than if we traded with the Rams. My favorite part about Jaylon Smith is his character matches his game. As much of a stud as he is on the field, he's got great character and is definitely someone who could lead our defense for the next 10 years

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

Exactly, and prior to injury most teams he was definitely top 5 on their big board and was heavily considered as the a potential 1st pick in the draft. I hate to say it but I really hope his draft stock falls. If Tunsil, Ramsey, and Bosa are gone at 6, I would love to move back and pick him. Two teams that have been projected to take Jaylon Smith are the Bears and the Raiders. The Eagles and Rams are two teams that are potential trading partners. If we traded with the Eagles we'd be more likely to land him than if we traded with the Rams. My favorite part about Jaylon Smith is his character matches his game. As much of a stud as he is on the field, he's got great character and is definitely someone who could lead our defense for the next 10 years

I noticed ESPN's most recent mock draft had him going in that mid-teens range as well (I think 18?).   So I see your point about the Eagles being a better choice than the Rams. 

But I don't understand why he would go in that part of the draft.  If the knee is healthy, it seems way too low.  If it isn't, it seems like he'd fall back to the end of the first or early in the second.  If he's healthy enough for the Bears and Raiders, why not just take him at #6? 

[ngatainmyhouse]

Good point. The Ravens may be better off taking Jaylon at 6(if that's the guy they really want) than trading back and HOPING that he doesn't get picked. He just had his surgery a few days ago so we'll know more about his recovery in the upcoming month. I hate looking at all of these things so early into the offseason cause so much can change with events like senior bowl, combine and pro days but with the Ravens having such a high pick it's hard to not stay involved

[RaineV1]

I'd happily trade back with the Eagles for a 2nd this year and a future first. At 13 overall you could end up with Spence, Shaq Lawson, Alexander, VH3, or a top ten guy that took a small slide for one reason or another.

[ngatainmyhouse]

10 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I'd happily trade back with the Eagles for a 2nd this year and a future first. At 13 overall you could end up with Spence, Shaq Lawson, Alexander, VH3, or a top ten guy that took a small slide for one reason or another.

So just their 2nd pick this year and next years first? Or that plus their 1st this year?

[RaineV1]

4 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

So just their 2nd pick this year and next years first? Or that plus their 1st this year?

Plus this year's 1st, so we'd be swapping picks and then get their 2nd and next years 1st.

[Somerset Ravens]

17 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Plus this year's 1st, so we'd be swapping picks and then get their 2nd and next years 1st. 

The Eagles traded their second round pick to the Rams, I think they have two third round picks. I do like Smith with the 13th pick though. 

[PurpleCity5]

8 hours ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

 He just had his surgery a few days ago so we'll know more about his recovery in the upcoming month. I hate looking at all of these things so early into the offseason cause so much can change with events like senior bowl, combine and pro days but with the Ravens having such a high pick it's hard to not stay involved

It's a shame he's not able to participate in the combine. I think he would kill the linebacker drills. I did hear from Matt Miller that the injury isn't as severe as most make it out to be, but I think he should get more closure on that in the combine.

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, Somerset Ravens said:

The Eagles traded their second round pick to the Rams, I think they have two third round picks. I do like Smith with the 13th pick though. 

I think they could somehow obtain a 2nd round pick by trading assets. I would like to hope that they can somehow get that, and a future first to move back for Smith at 13, I worry he won't get past Oakland at 14. 

[GrimCoconut]

12 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I think they could somehow obtain a 2nd round pick by trading assets. I would like to hope that they can somehow get that, and a future first to move back for Smith at 13, I worry he won't get past Oakland at 14. 

I see Oakland taking a LT like Conklin or Stanley if they're there. They may even trade up for one. For as much talk as people give QB trade up scenarios, a trade up for a franchise LT is something I can see the Raiders doing.

[PurpleCity5]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I see Oakland taking a LT like Conklin or Stanley if they're there. They may even trade up for one. For as much talk as people give QB trade up scenarios, a trade up for a franchise LT is something I can see the Raiders doing.

I would think they would be content with Donald Penn, but then again he's a guy that would likely leave via FA due to age, you wonder just how long a guy like that will be productive for. 

[GrimCoconut]

30 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I would think they would be content with Donald Penn, but then again he's a guy that would likely leave via FA due to age, you wonder just how long a guy like that will be productive for. 

You can only ride tires so long and his tread is low. I think he's also a free agent this year.

[JoeyFlex5]

55 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I would think they would be content with Donald Penn, but then again he's a guy that would likely leave via FA due to age, you wonder just how long a guy like that will be productive for. 

Idk, I think the raiders still have a ways to go and they're in a decent spot to start rebuilding . there's a good chance one of Alexander or hargreaves could fall to them which would be a dream for them, and Taylor Decker and Conklin could very much be in play at 14

[PurpleCity5]

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Idk, I think the raiders still have a ways to go and they're in a decent spot to start rebuilding . there's a good chance one of Alexander or hargreaves could fall to them which would be a dream for them, and Taylor Decker and Conklin could very much be in play at 14

There's plenty of ways for them to go, I would imagine they would love an OLB, CB or LT. I mean they could gush at adding Jaylon Smith with Khalil Mack. If I could recall however, Antonio Brown nearly dropped 300 yards on them and the secondary was easily their biggest weakness. I think they could use FA to fix it, if not then the draft. I think Hargreaves would be a dream scenario for them. 

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

There's plenty of ways for them to go, I would imagine they would love an OLB, CB or LT. I mean they could gush at adding Jaylon Smith with Khalil Mack. If I could recall however, Antonio Brown nearly dropped 300 yards on them and the secondary was easily their biggest weakness. I think they could use FA to fix it, if not then the draft. I think Hargreaves would be a dream scenario for them. 

Their secondary is seriously horrible. What they did to our secondary in week 2, is practically what every other team did to them all year. It was a real poo-storm. If they have even a middle of the pack secondary I think they're a playoff team. 

I would not be surprised that IF there are rumblings about a trade up for something other than a qb, that the raiders could be in that conversation for ramsey, I doubt it though, I'm pretty convinced they take their chances and hope for a corner to fall or they just goBPA and call it a day. With Justin tuck retiring I also wouldn't be shocked to see them take Shaq lawson, they like to switch base from 34 to 43 and he could be a guy who could play end in both fronts and play OLB in the 34 as well, that physicality and versatility on both sides with Shaq and Mack could be huge for them. They can go a lot of different ways

[gametyme]

I don't know enough about the prospects to chose one I like more than another, I would just like to get a defensive stud with attitude, heart and toughness. 

[PurpleCity5]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Their secondary is seriously horrible. What they did to our secondary in week 2, is practically what every other team did to them all year. It was a real poo-storm. If they have even a middle of the pack secondary I think they're a playoff team. 

I would not be surprised that IF there are rumblings about a trade up for something other than a qb, that the raiders could be in that conversation for ramsey, I doubt it though, I'm pretty convinced they take their chances and hope for a corner to fall or they just goBPA and call it a day. With Justin tuck retiring I also wouldn't be shocked to see them take Shaq lawson, they like to switch base from 34 to 43 and he could be a guy who could play end in both fronts and play OLB in the 34 as well, that physicality and versatility on both sides with Shaq and Mack could be huge for them. They can go a lot of different ways

Yeah man, that secondary is awful. Way worse than our own. Now you take away Charles Woodson who was an All-Pro and you got a secondary that might be the worst in the league. I honestly suspect that CB will be #1 on their board followed by DE and OLB. I think they could use help there, the Raiders have plenty of ways to go but lately they have been much smarter when it comes to drafting. 

[Gordo52]

Ok. Im on the Treadwell Train now. I take back everything I said about him 3 weeks ago. I was stupid giving an opinion on someone I hardly watched. 

 

I've been watching a lot more of him and the idea of drafting him keeps getting more & more appealing. Not only would he have the potential to be our greatest WR ever, by far, but having Perriman & him locked up for atleast the next 3 years on nice contracts would be great. They would both compliment each other nicely. Not to mention Maxx & Boyle being locked up as well. Our offense will have continuity for once and Joe will have young stars locked up I n his prime years. 

Treadwell will bring a fire to the offense that we'll desperately need once Smith leaves after next year. In the meantime, he'll contribute immediately. I have zero legitimate concerns about him. He's got crazy potential and Dez is a nice ceiling comparison. 

 

In shotgun, Joe throwing to Treadwell & Perriman out wide, Smith in the slot, meanwhile Aiken tsking advantage of great matchups... Add our excellent TE core & receiving backs and we can attack any defense at any level. Trestman would be salivating. Imagine scheming would be a lot easier and funner....

 

Ramsey is still my first choice. If it comes down to Treadwell & Jack, I would be so torn. If we take Treadwell, that would truly mean giving Joe the keys for the later part of his career. It would be hard but I'm leaning Treadwell now. 

I think Gilmore takes the next step and elevates himself into a top 5-6 TE. Maxx & Boyle will be a yesr better. Aiken will be playing with a chip and is battle tested. Our offense would be stacked!

[RavensFanMania]

On February 5, 2016 at 8:19 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

I would think they would be content with Donald Penn, but then again he's a guy that would likely leave via FA due to age, you wonder just how long a guy like that will be productive for. 

He's actually done surprisingly well the last couple years. 

[RavensFanMania]

If the options that are available on this thread, I'd say DeForest Buckner would be the pick and I'd be extremely happy. Imo, he is going to be dominant. Extremely quick and agile for a big man with a quick first step. He's going to be extremely difficult to handle and with Buckner and b. Williams along with Jernigan/Davis we could have one of the best lines in the NFL.