Who should we take at #6?

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah I've seen reports that he should weigh in the 245 range.  I know just recently I said that I prefer my OLBs to be 255 minimum, but I think Jaylon has the athletic ability to survive on the outside.  I'm not sure I'd keep him outside full time, but pending weight, I think he could absolutely rotate in there.

If he were 245, I'd hardly worry about the 10 extra pounds with how freakishly athletic he is. Vic Beasley was playing DE under 250, I believe, and I think Jaylon could easily add another 5-10 pounds in the offseason.

[thieverycorporation]

9 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

've read that the way a lot of teams organize their board is by using a tiered system. Every prospect gets an overall grade, and then you take a group of similarly graded prospects and put them into a tier. Do this all of the way down the draft board. Then you rank the prospects within that tier, and in this ranking, you can give thought to positional value.

 

Where did you get your information. I'd like to read it also. Thx

[RavensFanMania]

@thieverycorporation I read it last year, but I'm not exactly sure of the source.  I wish I had it again, because I'd love to read it again   I'll see if I can find it again.

Edited February 3, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[thieverycorporation]

1 minute ago, RavensFanMania said:

@thieverycorporation I read it last year, but I'm not exactly sure of the source.  I wish I had it again, because I'd love to read it again.

No worries we're bound to find it @ some point.

[ravenz2752]

Thoughts on Deforest Buckner?

Edited February 3, 2016 by ravenz2752

[GrimCoconut]

31 minutes ago, ravenz2752 said:

Thoughts on Deforest Buckner?

Not being a jerk, but read through the threads here and you'll see a lot of them. Many of us think he's a good, top-5 talent in this class & compares to Calais Campbell from Arizona, while others wonder whether he'll be effective in the NFL. There's far more of the former than the latter, however. He does need work, no doubt, and he's a better run defender than a pass rusher, but he has the tools to become a very good pass rusher in the NFL. 

[Inqui]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

He was my #1 prior to the injury.  With word that he might actually be ready for the season, he'll likely move back up to #1 for me.  I'm really curious to see what his weight is at the combine.

From what I've read, even if he isn't clear to start the season it sounds like he'll still be fine long-term. As things stand, I'm on board with him at 6 if Bosa/Tunsil/Ramsey are unavailable, as much as I love his teammate.

[JoeyFlex5]

Word going around from NFL on fox that kaepernick is aggressively asking for a trade or cut. Reportedly wants to play for the jets. No confirmation but I just saw it. 

 

This could very well put us in play for a trade. I hope kaepernick gets extremely vocal about this and makes it known that he doesn't wanna play for chip, That's our key to getting a trade!

[GrimCoconut]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Word going around from NFL on fox that kaepernick is aggressively asking for a trade or cut. Reportedly wants to play for the jets. No confirmation but I just saw it. 

 

This could very well put us in play for a trade. I hope kaepernick gets extremely vocal about this and makes it known that he doesn't wanna play for chip, That's our key to getting a trade!

This is very interesting. Could change a few things for sure. 

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

This is very interesting. Could change a few things for sure. 

For what one pick, is he saying san fran would move up one spot for our 6th. Or san fran to trade up to 3 or 4 for a qb, cause it wouldnt make sense for them to trade up one spot when they know were not drafting a qb

[PurpleCity5]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Word going around from NFL on fox that kaepernick is aggressively asking for a trade or cut. Reportedly wants to play for the jets. No confirmation but I just saw it. 

 

This could very well put us in play for a trade. I hope kaepernick gets extremely vocal about this and makes it known that he doesn't wanna play for chip, That's our key to getting a trade!

I hope this is true, I would love to hustle the Rams for those two second rounds picks and get a guy like Vernon Hargreaves or Jaylon Smith. Or get a load from San Francisco only to move back one pick lol 

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

For what one pick, is he saying san fran would move up one spot for our 6th. Or san fran to trade up to 3 or 4 for a qb, cause it wouldnt make sense for them to trade up one spot when they know were not drafting a qb

I'm not sure. I think they were making the argument that other teams would want our pick because SF may want to take a QB; however, that's assuming that a QB is there to take. Goff & Wentz could both be off the board by the time we're OTC, so we'll have to see. As for whether they'll want to trade one spot up to get a QB, it does make sense in that they may want to avoid another team trying to trade ahead of them to get a QB. We traded with the Cleveland Browns to get Haloti Ngata after moving up one spot in that draft. It does happen.

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

If he were 245, I'd hardly worry about the 10 extra pounds with how freakishly athletic he is. Vic Beasley was playing DE under 250, I believe, and I think Jaylon could easily add another 5-10 pounds in the offseason.

I think he can play OLB at that size, maybe not all snaps but he could play there. My concern about not allowing him to add a few more pounds is that in a long season, it's easy to drop weight. I doubt Vic Beasley is at 245, I think I saw reports out there that he's lost weight as the season went on. I do believe Jaylon Smith doesn't look 230 or anything like that, but I wouldn't hold him back from adding more weight as long as he doesn't lose that speed/burst that makes him great. 

 

I agree with rmw, if he checks out both boxes in injury and weight, then he's #1. Me personally I have him at #3 behind Bosa and Tunsil. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I hope this is true, I would love to hustle the Rams for those two second rounds picks and get a guy like Vernon Hargreaves or Jaylon Smith. Or get a load from San Francisco only to move back one pick lol 

I'll be happy hustling them for their 2016 1st & 2nd round pick, whichever 2nd rounder they want, & a 2017 1st round pick. That would be more than nice. I'll even throw in a guy if they want. They can have Arthur Brown in the deal.

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

For what one pick, is he saying san fran would move up one spot for our 6th. Or san fran to trade up to 3 or 4 for a qb, cause it wouldnt make sense for them to trade up one spot when they know were not drafting a qb

Preferably we take the rams 2 second rounders. 

 

But if SF wants goff and someone else has a good deal on the table, SF has no choice but to match the value or watch goff to elsewhere 1 pick ahead of them. If they're desperate we can really bend the over the barrel. 

 

Btw I started a thread on this.

[PurpleCity5]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'll be happy hustling them for their 2016 1st & 2nd round pick, whichever 2nd rounder they want, & a 2017 1st round pick. That would be more than nice. I'll even throw in a guy if they want. They can have Arthur Brown in the deal.

That would be a great deal IMO, the best one but if the two 2nd round picks are on the table, then I'm fine with that too. I think I would tell them the offers I received and force them to spike their price up. I can see many teams wanting to trade with us given how tough it is to make a move into the top 5, I know we're picking at 6 but if you're a team like us, then you can be fine with moving down if you have offers. I personally think moving to 6 will take a future first and a 2nd which I would move down for regardless of who is on the board. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[ellicottraven]

Kaepernik wanting out of SF is exciting in terms of trade prospects for us. If one of the top 2-3 QBs is still left on the board and SF is looking to pick him, another team that covets that QB is going to be a more than willing trade partner with us. Go Kaepernik, make life hell for little man York!

[ravenz2752]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Not being a jerk, but read through the threads here and you'll see a lot of them. Many of us think he's a good, top-5 talent in this class & compares to Calais Campbell from Arizona, while others wonder whether he'll be effective in the NFL. There's far more of the former than the latter, however. He does need work, no doubt, and he's a better run defender than a pass rusher, but he has the tools to become a very good pass rusher in the NFL. 

sorry, I was too lazy to scroll through 19 pages

[GrimCoconut]

10 minutes ago, ravenz2752 said:

sorry, I was too lazy to scroll through 19 pages

I don't blame you. Lol, I really don't, that's why I gave you a little highlighted summary of a lot of the opinions around here. If you want more in-depth opinions, feel free to have at it. Keep in mind these pages hold a lot more posts than they once did. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Here's how I see the draft playing out:

Titans got their QB and now will want their franchise LT to protect him and take arguably the best player in the draft in Tunsil. 

Hue Jackson wants his QB to groom and goes Goff or Wentz. 

Chargers need to protect Rivers to get the most out of their limited window and go with Stanley. 

Cowboys don't plan on picking this high again for a while and Romo's aging and has been injured so they take the other QB of Wentz or Goff to groom and eventually take over so they extend their window beyond banking on Romo in the next 2-3 years. 

Jags... I don't know or care. I think Ramsey bc they need secondary help more than anything and he can do it all on the back end but I could see Bosa too. 

 

And we end up with our choice of 2 out of the 3 between Bosa, Ramsey or Buckner.

then hopefully either Spence or Treadwell falls and we can get one of them in the 2nd. I doubt that, but if one gets to the 20's id do whatever it takes to move up and snag him. 

The second part is a pipe dream but I'm fairly confident the 1st four picks play out that way... And that would be a beautiful thing. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Kaepernik wanting out of SF is exciting in terms of trade prospects for us. If one of the top 2-3 QBs is still left on the board and SF is looking to pick him, another team that covets that QB is going to be a more than willing trade partner with us. Go Kaepernik, make life hell for little man York!

If things play out the way I think I'd probably prefer to stay at 6....

but if we could trade back and pick up an extra 1st this year and maybe even next... And get Noah Spence and Treadwell i would be all for that. 

 

[Dewy101]

On February 2, 2016 at 5:29 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

did you miss the part where our qb tore his acl because of poor LT play?

Unfortunate play, but teams overcome poor Oline play. Cowboys had the best o line but their qb still got hurt.  Look at the teams that have made the playoffs and moved on the past couple of seasons. Their o lines are not the reason why they're there. This season for example. The best LT in the playoffs was probably Jared Veldheer(he was horrible against the panthers). While teams had Michael Oher, Sebastian Volmer, Russell Okung(only had 1 good season), AV(steelers). Drafting a LT at 6 makes absolutely no sense not to mention they're going to struggle big time as they are rookies rarely do LTs play to their draft position the first couple of seasons. Idk what makes you think drafting Tunsil or Stanley is going to solve the answer at LT. 

[polynesian15]

On 31/1/2016 at 6:49 PM, balfan23 said:

I agree with this. I just don't understand the notion that a player who is dynamic, athletic and highly skilled is, at age 21/22 locked into a style of play that cannot be changed. Sure, there are limits to what you can do, as you can't jam a square peg into a round hole, but some of these differences feel like mere adjustments that can be made. You can't pass on a freak talent, because of the scheme he was placed into in college doesn't match your pro team. 

Good point, athleticism especially will help in adating to different positional placements on the field. 
Bosa or Ramsey at #6 imo, otherwise trade back a handful of spots and and draft Alexander or Spence... something like that.

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I think he can play OLB at that size, maybe not all snaps but he could play there. My concern about not allowing him to add a few more pounds is that in a long season, it's easy to drop weight. I doubt Vic Beasley is at 245, I think I saw reports out there that he's lost weight as the season went on. I do believe Jaylon Smith doesn't look 230 or anything like that, but I wouldn't hold him back from adding more weight as long as he doesn't lose that speed/burst that makes him great. 

 

I agree with rmw, if he checks out both boxes in injury and weight, then he's #1. Me personally I have him at #3 behind Bosa and Tunsil. 

Jaylon Smith to me has always been one of the top three prospects, probably 1a/1b for me with Tunsil because I think he has Larry Allen type play in him. 

But anyway, I never liked the idea of Smith because everyone pegged him as an ILB, but then I thought about it and thought he could play OLB and saw you had the same opinion and he instantly became my target.

[GrimCoconut]

Spence is a guy that wouldn't surprise me either way. He could go top ten or fall to us in the second. 

[GrimCoconut]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Jaylon Smith to me has always been one of the top three prospects, probably 1a/1b for me with Tunsil because I think he has Larry Allen type play in him. 

But anyway, I never liked the idea of Smith because everyone pegged him as an ILB, but then I thought about it and thought he could play OLB and saw you had the same opinion and he instantly became my target.

Never thought of him as a 3-4 OLB and was surprised when I first heard of it but I think it could happen. He may be a poor man's Von Miller.

[Jaybirds]

Heck with it.  I'm going Sonny Weaver, Jr. on this thread. 

Jaylon Smith, no matter what.  

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Jaylon Smith to me has always been one of the top three prospects, probably 1a/1b for me with Tunsil because I think he has Larry Allen type play in him. 

But anyway, I never liked the idea of Smith because everyone pegged him as an ILB, but then I thought about it and thought he could play OLB and saw you had the same opinion and he instantly became my target.

At first, I saw him as purely an ILB, but when I watched him up close, I saw qualities in his game that could make him a really good OLB. His first step is vicious, I mean he has a really nice first step. His explosiveness and agility is also something to marvel at. His swim move is also one of the best in this class and he plants his feet very well. I have all but three questions now, 1.) Is he willing to make the transition himself? 2.) Is his weight there? 3.) Can he start the season?

 

If he can answer all those questions, then he really rises here. 

[JoeyFlex5]

to be honest, if you look at the first prospect discussion thread for this year that i posted, i mentioned jaylon smith as a possible edge rusher for us... long before he was seen as a top 5 talent and before i honestly even knew much about him, i just watched a highlight reel and saw him as a gamewrecker practically living in the backfield and he appeared to be an OLB to me lol

[arnie_uk]

If anyone posts on RSR wickedsolo has been big on smith as an OLB for a long time.