Who should we take at #6?

[ALPHA]

Thad Castle

Edited January 31, 2016 by ALPHA

[JoeyFlex5]

29 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Thad Castle

Going first overall

[Jacquouille]

49 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Going first overall

According to Brian Bosworth.

 

3 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

According to PFF, they have Shepard as the #1 rated WR.  Can play inside and out, seamless breaks, creates separation with ease.  I'd love him, but he won't make it out of the 2nd round and has a shot at the first. 

 

I'm hoping he gets to us in the bottom of the 2nd round and Ozzie trades into the 2nd and takes Shepard. 

Shepard is widely seen as a 3rd rounder, maybe end of 2nd with his strong showing in the Senior Bowl, but having him with our picks isn't unrealistic.

 

I'm beginning to prefer the idea of trading back. There is just not one of the "blue chips" that I really want with a 6th pick. A trade back in the teens and then Noah Spence would be my perfect scenario.

[RaineV1]

3 hours ago, January J said:

 

What about if some crazy sequence of events occur and Tunsil and Bosa are there but Rams gone, who do you take

I'd take Tunsil in a heart beat. If we keep KO, then the combo Tunsil and KO on the left side could completely dominate defenses. A great o-line goes a long way in making an offense play well, and it'd be great having a franchise LT again.

[52520Andrew]

@January J Woah new avi

[RavensFanMania]

7 hours ago, January J said:

Good question. I actually think Ozzie would take Ramsey over Bosa. He knows he can get another pass rusher that's a better fit later on..and I think Ramsey's gonna be his main target next to Tunsil.  

 

I agree. I think Ramsey's a freak and Ozzie will fall in love with his versatility. We could have used him the last couple years. I have Bosa rated ahead of him but in reality, My list is 1. Tunsil 2. Bosa 2.b Ramsey 3. Treadwell. 4. Buckner. 

I'd actually be ok taking any if the top 5 over Judge Tread if we could pick up Boyd or Shepard  having either of them teamed up with Perriman, Smith, Aiken, and Camp would make for a pretty good wr crew  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RavensFanMania]

7 hours ago, January J said:

I do think he has crazy potential, he's a feisty little guy. would yall rather have him or Coleman in the late second? I think it would have to be a trade up from the third..bc we really need a cb or pass rusher with that 2nd pick..taking a wr there would be a bit too early IMO.

I completely agree with being able to draft him at the bottom of the 2nd using our 3rd rounder and additional picks as trade bate.  I'd much prefer Shepard to Coleman.  Although I love Coleman's toughness, I get scared away from Baylor WR.  I believe there abilities are exaggerated due to the wide open offense and he doesn't run much of a route tree.  Shepard has fantastic hands and I'd love to have him in purple.   No other WR from Baylor has played up to the collegiate potential, other than Josh Gordon, and he continued his off the field behavior as well. 

4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

According to Brian Bosworth.

 

Shepard is widely seen as a 3rd rounder, maybe end of 2nd with his strong showing in the Senior Bowl, but having him with our picks isn't unrealistic.

 

I'm beginning to prefer the idea of trading back. There is just not one of the "blue chips" that I really want with a 6th pick. A trade back in the teens and then Noah Spence would be my perfect scenario.

I see Shepard as a late 2nd rounder and I'd be ecstatic to get him in the 3rd round.  Trading back as long as it wasn't too far back would definitely be an option, but it really depends on who is available.

[RavensFanMania]

hey wait a minute.  What happened to the sigs?

[ALPHA]

MegaQuon in the lead

[Dewy101]

All this LT talk is really annoying lol. We're not taking a LT that high. It's just not an important position anymore. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Dewy101 said:

All this LT talk is really annoying lol. We're not taking a LT that high. It's just not an important position anymore. 

did you miss the part where our qb tore his acl because of poor LT play?

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

All this LT talk is really annoying lol. We're not taking a LT that high. It's just not an important position anymore. 

You serious?

[ludy51]

8 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

You serious?

He's joking right?....right?

Edited February 2, 2016 by ludy51

[January J]

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

All this LT talk is rtheally annoying lol. We're not takih ng a LT that high. It's just not an important position anymore. 

 

Uhhh, is that even a serious statement? I hope not. 

One could argue that would actually be the Wise way to go. Do you know the value of a true franchise LT? Esp with Either ko Or monroe On the way out.Why Wouldnt We take one that high? Not Sexy enough for you?

Edited February 2, 2016 by January J

[JoeyFlex5]

the day LT stops being an important position is the day that QB stops being an important position

[PurpleCity5]

23 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

I completely agree with being able to draft him at the bottom of the 2nd using our 3rd rounder and additional picks as trade bate.  I'd much prefer Shepard to Coleman.  Although I love Coleman's toughness, I get scared away from Baylor WR.  I believe there abilities are exaggerated due to the wide open offense and he doesn't run much of a route tree.  Shepard has fantastic hands and I'd love to have him in purple.   No other WR from Baylor has played up to the collegiate potential, other than Josh Gordon, and he continued his off the field behavior as well. 

There has been Baylor WRs who has succeeded as of late which does include Gordon but also Terrence Williams and Kendall Wright, I wouldn't say he's doomed because of the spread, I'm honestly more fearful of Oregon WRs than Baylor. 

[ALI624]

I would be very disappointed if we went LT at 6 yes it is important, but we can not go into the season not taking some kind of playmaker with our first pick.  Protecting Flacco is important, but having people to get the ball is important too.  And from my understanding Stanley's work ethic has come into question do you really want someone like that protecting your franchise QB.  We also have a defense that can not stop a nose bleed atm.  People will point out they played better down the stretch, but that was without the pressure of a playoff run.  You can disagree with me if you want, but I will not change my mind on this subject.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, ALI624 said:

I would be very disappointed if we went LT at 6 yes it is important, but we can not go into the season not taking some kind of playmaker with our first pick.  Protecting Flacco is important, but having people to get the ball is important too.  And from my understanding Stanley's work ethic has come into question do you really want someone like that protecting your franchise QB.  We also have a defense that can not stop a nose bleed atm.  People will point out they played better down the stretch, but that was without the pressure of a playoff run.  You can disagree with me if you want, but I will not change my mind on this subject.

A great o-line can make any offense be able to move the ball up and down the field. The o-linemen raising their level of play is the reason the Ravens got to the AFC championship game when Kubiak was here.

[DomMcRaven]

7 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

A great o-line can make any offense be able to move the ball up and down the field. The o-linemen raising their level of play is the reason the Ravens got to the AFC championship divisional game when Kubiak was here.

Fixed!

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, DomMcRaven said:

Fixed!

Ah, right. Forgot it was the divisional game.

[JoeyFlex5]

i really, seriously hope that someone takes myles jack and a qb top 5. 

 

i really like deforest buckner, and i still like stanley, but if bosa and ramsey go top 5, what are we really left with and what will ozzie see there? between us and jacksonville we are going from a slam dunk playmaker, to a "he should be pretty good" type of guy. ive been thinking about it and i dont see much realistic shot to land either of them, and i think they really are our best bets to improve this team quickly, everybody else is a long term improvement and may all have lower floord and ceilings.. 

 

so if bosa and ramsey are gone, where do we go from there? alexander, hargreaves, jack, stanley, treadwell, spence, all feel like reaches to me, and they all have more bust potential than the former 2. buckner is the only one i dont feel is a reach at 6th but i think ozzie looks right past him not wanting to draft a 3-4DE this high. who do we really want at 6th if the big 2 are gone like i think they will be?

[Inqui]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i really, seriously hope that someone takes myles jack and a qb top 5. 

 

i really like deforest buckner, and i still like stanley, but if bosa and ramsey go top 5, what are we really left with and what will ozzie see there? between us and jacksonville we are going from a slam dunk playmaker, to a "he should be pretty good" type of guy. ive been thinking about it and i dont see much realistic shot to land either of them, and i think they really are our best bets to improve this team quickly, everybody else is a long term improvement and may all have lower floord and ceilings.. 

 

so if bosa and ramsey are gone, where do we go from there? alexander, hargreaves, jack, stanley, treadwell, spence, all feel like reaches to me, and they all have more bust potential than the former 2. buckner is the only one i dont feel is a reach at 6th but i think ozzie looks right past him not wanting to draft a 3-4DE this high. who do we really want at 6th if the big 2 are gone like i think they will be?

Don't sleep on Jaylon Smith at 6 imo. The news around his knee has been really encouraging so far, and there was a case for him being the #1 prospect before the injury.

[Jaybirds]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i really, seriously hope that someone takes myles jack and a qb top 5. 

 

i really like deforest buckner, and i still like stanley, but if bosa and ramsey go top 5, what are we really left with and what will ozzie see there? between us and jacksonville we are going from a slam dunk playmaker, to a "he should be pretty good" type of guy. ive been thinking about it and i dont see much realistic shot to land either of them, and i think they really are our best bets to improve this team quickly, everybody else is a long term improvement and may all have lower floord and ceilings.. 

 

so if bosa and ramsey are gone, where do we go from there? alexander, hargreaves, jack, stanley, treadwell, spence, all feel like reaches to me, and they all have more bust potential than the former 2. buckner is the only one i dont feel is a reach at 6th but i think ozzie looks right past him not wanting to draft a 3-4DE this high. who do we really want at 6th if the big 2 are gone like i think they will be?

This sounds like a different mind frame from you:  guys who are ready to go early in their first season (more or less).  If that's important to you at #6, and I see why it would be, then I think guys at other positions would be a consideration. Myles Jack, Reggie Ragland, and Ezekiel Elliott may not represent pressing needs for us, but they would likely contribute well in their rookie years if we got them.  I could see Ragland in particular moving into the conversation between now and the draft. 

But I think you're being a little more conservative than necessary.  I think the Ravens probably do value Hargreave and Stanley that high, plus Buckner. I think their board looks something like Ramsey, Bosa, Tunsil, Buckner, Stanley, and Hargreave as all worthwhile.  I don't think they trade back if those guys are there, and one will be.  I'm guessing Treadwell is top 10, but still just outside the top 6. 

[Jaybirds]

10 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Don't sleep on Jaylon Smith at 6 imo. The news around his knee has been really encouraging so far, and there was a case for him being the #1 prospect before the injury.

I agree:  if Jaylon Smith is off crutches by the combine, I think we consider him at #6. 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

This sounds like a different mind frame from you:  guys who are ready to go early in their first season (more or less).  If that's important to you at #6, and I see why it would be, then I think guys at other positions would be a consideration. Myles Jack, Reggie Ragland, and Ezekiel Elliott may not represent pressing needs for us, but they would likely contribute well in their rookie years if we got them.  I could see Ragland in particular moving into the conversation between now and the draft. 

But I think you're being a little more conservative than necessary.  I think the Ravens probably do value Hargreave and Stanley that high, plus Buckner. I think their board looks something like Ramsey, Bosa, Tunsil, Buckner, Stanley, and Hargreave as all worthwhile.  I don't think they trade back if those guys are there, and one will be.  I'm guessing Treadwell is top 10, but still just outside the top 6. 

i want a guy who is gonna contribute regardless. if we are gonna struggle next year then let us get a glimmer of hope from our young guys, and at 6th overall we should get more than just hope, we should get a great performance lol, thats all im hoping for. 

 

i dont know if i would say jaylon smith is in the conversation, ACL and MCL technologies have made the injuries a relatively small factor, but they still arent to be taken lightly, 6th overall is a big risk there. 

 

if we take buckner id be ecstatic, i think in terms of fit, raw talent, pro readiness, floor and ceiling, i have him 2nd on my board. i just dont know if ozzie would view him in the same light. and id be excited for hargreaves or alexander or stanley as well, but i would hold some reservations, honestly i would probably want spence before those guys because truthfully i think he has a much better chance to bringing immediate results with less bust potential, even if he doesnt hold up in the run game well. i think im nervous that we have a chance to blow this high pick because we played ourselves just ONE slot away from making an easy choice lol 

 

also you mentioned ragland, i am very excited to see what he can turn into, there has been talk of him being able to convert to a full time OLB and play it at a NFL level, i really want to see if that is true, if so he is in for a big rise, that boy is a baller with a mind for the game and grown man measurables across the board, if he can truly play OLB full time then he slips into the conversation

Edited February 2, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i want a guy who is gonna contribute regardless. if we are gonna struggle next year then let us get a glimmer of hope from our young guys, and at 6th overall we should get more than just hope, we should get a great performance lol, thats all im hoping for. 

 

i dont know if i would say jaylon smith is in the conversation, ACL and MCL technologies have made the injuries a relatively small factor, but they still arent to be taken lightly, 6th overall is a big risk there. 

 

if we take buckner id be ecstatic, i think in terms of fit, raw talent, pro readiness, floor and ceiling, i have him 2nd on my board. i just dont know if ozzie would view him in the same light. and id be excited for hargreaves or alexander or stanley as well, but i would hold some reservations, honestly i would probably want spence before those guys because truthfully i think he has a much better chance to bringing immediate results with less bust potential, even if he doesnt hold up in the run game well. i think im nervous that we have a chance to blow this high pick because we played ourselves just ONE slot away from making an easy choice lol

I think you and I are on the same page here.  I personally have Spence and Smith in my top six (yes, I think there are 8 "top six" guys), but it's not my job on the line so that may be easier for me to say than our front office.  So I left them out. 

The Boss said we need a pass-rusher.  If the front office isn't sold on Spence or Smith, then there isn't really a natural pass rusher at #6, except for Buckner.  If we think Buckner is ready to start this year (seems like it), we'd also save some coin if we cut Canty.  I think Buckner is probably high on our board just because he makes good practical sense.  Does he need some work still?  Probably.  but 10.5 sacks in 13 games is a better pace than anyone on the roster today.  The only downside I could see is their investment in Urban; this could block his development.   I still think we do it if Buckner is there at six. 
 

[JoeyFlex5]

17 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I think you and I are on the same page here.  I personally have Spence and Smith in my top six (yes, I think there are 8 "top six" guys), but it's not my job on the line so that may be easier for me to say than our front office.  So I left them out. 

The Boss said we need a pass-rusher.  If the front office isn't sold on Spence or Smith, then there isn't really a natural pass rusher at #6, except for Buckner.  If we think Buckner is ready to start this year (seems like it), we'd also save some coin if we cut Canty.  I think Buckner is probably high on our board just because he makes good practical sense.  Does he need some work still?  Probably.  but 10.5 sacks in 13 games is a better pace than anyone on the roster today.  The only downside I could see is their investment in Urban; this could block his development.   I still think we do it if Buckner is there at six. 
 

I think buckner is probably the safest pick we could make honestly

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think buckner is probably the safest pick we could make honestly

I have him behind Tunsil in general and Ramsey for us.  But it likely won't matter. 

The only reason I have Ramsey higher is there's 2 or 3 spots on the depth chart where he'd be an improvement already.   

If Jaylon Smith is even close to healthy, then he's my pick.  But who knows? 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jaybirds said:

I have him behind Tunsil in general and Ramsey for us.  But it likely won't matter. 

The only reason I have Ramsey higher is there's 2 or 3 spots on the depth chart where he'd be an improvement already.   

If Jaylon Smith is even close to healthy, then he's my pick.  But who knows? 

I think Ramsey still carries some risk but I think he's a great choice still. Buckner is an improvement over any DE on the team and a big one. Canty is Not very good anymore and could retire any day, urban I think will never become a full timer and after jernigan I don't see anyone else who can make an impact. He would immediately be a huge boost and being long term dividends and allow us to stop prioritizing having so many roster spots dedicated our DL

[Jaybirds]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think Ramsey still carries some risk but I think he's a great choice still. Buckner is an improvement over any DE on the team and a big one. Canty is Not very good anymore and could retire any day, urban I think will never become a full timer and after jernigan I don't see anyone else who can make an impact. He would immediately be a huge boost and being long term dividends and allow us to stop prioritizing having so many roster spots dedicated our DL

I certainly wouldn't mind a front of Jernigan, Williams, and Buckner.  Let Davis and Urban fill in wherever.  I think that would really help out the defense.