Who should we take at #6?

[Jaybirds]

a year to learn behind sss some would say is a good thing. And say Perriman tweaks his knee in week 2 and were back in the same position as last year not having a contingency plan and needing a 38 year old sss to shoulder the load.

I guess I'm just not used to paying the backup more than the starter (possibly a million more).  And I'm definitely not used to this team investing so heavily in a WR.  If anything, I thought we were intentionally doing the Seattle/Patriots thing of intentionally NOT overpaying for a WR.  I agree we need depth at WR (re:  injured Perriman again), and Ozzie did say we were going to get some.  But #6 is more than just a backup player in my mind.  Maybe I need to adjust that?

I did try to list six guys I'd take before Treadwell, based on playing time opportunities.  Upshaw is a free agent, but I don't know if there's a pass-rush OLB in the top six?  Mack, maybe Smith?   I'm assuming we're not ready to give up on Jernigan just yet, so I'm not sure how much a DE would actually play for us.  If I'm being too conservative at either of those spots, then I'd rather have Ramsey, Hargreave, Stanley, Tunsil, and then either Buckner/Bosa, or Mack/Smith before Treadwell.  That could be six guys.  So even if a QB isn't taken before us, we'd still get a slam-dunk talent with more playing time before Treadwell.  But I'm not sure I really understand pass rushers in our defense. 

[Deflated Football]

SSS, Breshad, Treadwell, DeSean Jackson, Aiken and the three headed monster at TE

After SSS retires, Treadwell will be the number one with DeSean and BP splitting time on the outside and in the slot with Aiken working underneath.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Deflated Football

[52520Andrew]

SSS, Breshad, Treadwell, DeSean Jackson, Aiken and the three headed monster at TE

I will turn my avatar pink for the entire next football season if that happens

[Cillmatic]

SSS, Breshad, Treadwell, DeSean Jackson, Aiken and the three headed monster at TE

After SSS retires, Treadwell will be the number one with DeSean and BP splitting time on the outside and in the slot with Aiken working underneath.

That would be SUCH a waste of draft picks and money. You'd essentially be making either Treadwell, Perriman or Jackson a #3 WR. Then you'd be pushing Aiken (who just had a 900 yard season) to #4 on the depth chart. Not to mention we'd be investing WAY too much at a position that honestly is more of a luxury at times. Edited January 19, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Deflated Football]

That would be SUCH a waste of draft picks and money. You'd essentially be making either Treadwell, Perriman or Jackson a #3 WR. Then you'd be pushing Aiken (who just had a 900 yard season) to #4 on the depth chart. Not to mention we'd be investing WAY too much at a position that honestly is more of a luxury at times.

If SSS has another season ending injury, BP gets the common cold and Campanaro plays 4 games, I guess we can count on Aiken, Waller, Matthews and probably re-sign Marlon Brown since he's familiar with the system. I like my idea a lot more.

[January J]

SSS, Breshad, Treadwell, DeSean Jackson, Aiken and the three headed monster at TE

After SSS retires, Treadwell will be the number one with DeSean and BP splitting time on the outside and in the slot with Aiken working underneath.

yeah that's a nice thought but I think that would be over-doing it a bit. Money could be better spent elsewhere. Say he pulls his hamstring and has to sit out another half a season like he did this year..I know you could make that argunent for anybody but essentially you'd be paying 8 million dollars to a # 3 receiver and pushing the up and comer Aiken (who's way cheaper) to the wayside. If we draft treadwell really we'd be fine as is..but if not give me a guy like garcon , golden tate, or mayyybe vjax..but it all depends on the contract.

[Cillmatic]

If SSS has another season ending injury, BP gets the common cold and Campanaro plays 4 games, I guess we can count on Aiken, Waller, Matthews and probably re-sign Marlon Brown since he's familiar with the system. I like my idea a lot more.

"Perriman gets the common cold"...? So draft a WR at #6, sign a player worth at least $7 million a year and resign the 900 yard WR.... While also having a good TE core? Pointless and detrimental to our needy defense. Edited January 19, 2016 by Cillmatic

[JoeyFlex5]

I'll still be concerned after the combine. It's not about his talent, but what we do with him next year. With this much money we're in a weird spot where the guy should be contributing this year as well as in the future. But with Steve Smith and Perriman coming back, and Maxx Williams as another returning receiver threat, I just don't think there's going to be the snaps every will need to develop. Admittedly, I don't think SSS is going to play 16 games next year. But I really think other positions are a better fit for us. (corner and nickel, possibly OL, pass rusher but I'm confused about where they'd line up for us.)

you don't not draft a Slam dunk wr because you might possibly have guys that can contribute next year, especially when said guys are 37 coming off an Achilles and the other has never played a down.. That just isn't in anyone's mind in our FO

[Dewy101]

I don't feel confident at all when it comes to taking a LT. They struggle immensely in their rookie season some even after that. Looking at the list and not a single LT drafted in the first round in the past couple of drafts have played well. Here's the list in case you guys that are hoping we draft a LT

Eric Fisher, Luke Joekel, Greg Robinson, Ereck Flowers, Matt Khalil, Riley Reiff, Jake Mathews, and Taylor Lewan. Remember that Robinson was the can't miss LT prospect and he's been awful after being drafted #2 overall. I don't understand why LTs are considered safe picks.

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't feel confident at all when it comes to taking a LT. They struggle immensely in their rookie season some even after that. Looking at the list and not a single LT drafted in the first round in the past couple of drafts have played well. Here's the list in case you guys that are hoping we draft a LT

Eric Fisher, Luke Joekel, Greg Robinson, Ereck Flowers, Matt Khalil, Riley Reiff, Jake Mathews, and Taylor Lewan. Remember that Robinson was the can't miss LT prospect and he's been awful after being drafted #2 overall. I don't understand why LTs are considered safe picks.

reiff was projected as a guard/RT to begin with, ereck flowers has shown real promise, greg robinson had questions about having the agility/technique to play OT and shouldnt have went as high as he did, taylor lewan has played very well, and the rest of those guys had no business going as high as they did because they were all extremely raw and nothing more than physical specimens being drafted on measurements and potential alone. 

 

tunsil and stanley simply arent in that category, both are very polished players, stanley struggled to get push in the run game but he does anchor and hold his ground, and in a ZBS that lack of strong push will be masked and his quick footed and athletic skillset will be highlighted, while being an absolute stonewall in pass protection, he had his hands full ONCE in all of college and that was 1v1 against shaq lawson, he already looks like an NFL starter in terms of foot and hand work, same goes for tunsil he is just much more physically dominant as he can knock fools off the ball with ease and still provide the same light footed refined pass protection. the top 2 OTs of this class are simply light years ahead of anyone in recent memory in terms of nfl readiness, they arent "measurable" guys like everyone you listed

[Deflated Football]

"Perriman gets the common cold"...? So draft a WR at #6, sign a player worth at least $7 million a year and resign the 900 yard WR.... While also having a good TE core? Pointless and detrimental to our needy defense.

'Twas a joke my dear. Just making fun out of his "minor" knee situation where we were told would last a couple days but ended up being season ending. Next time he misses a game due to illness, who knows how long that'll keep him out!

Again, just joking. Big BP fan right here. But look at the WR depth chart of teams like Pitt, Indy, Washington, Arizona, Cincinatti, GB, NE from a few years back with Moss and Welker, etc. I'd rather have an influx of talented WR's and surround Joe with as much speed and reliable players as possible because you don't know who might go down. But you're right, I wouldn't pay DeSean $7 mill a year, but maybe he'll take a relatively cheap one year prove it kind of deal to stay close to DMV. Not like he would even have to buy a house if he has one in Washington already.

Edited January 20, 2016 by Deflated Football

[Cillmatic]

'Twas a joke my dear. Just making fun out of his "minor" knee situation where we were told would last a couple days but ended up being season ending. Next time he misses a game due to illness, who knows how long that'll keep him out!

Again, just joking. Big BP fan right here. But look at the WR depth chart of teams like Pitt, Indy, Washington, Arizona, Cincinatti, GB, NE from a few years back with Moss and Welker, etc. I'd rather have an influx of talented WR's and surround Joe with as much speed and reliable players as possible because you don't know who might go down. But you're right, I wouldn't pay DeSean $7 mill a year, but maybe he'll take a relatively cheap one year prove it kind of deal to stay close to DMV. Not like he would even have to buy a house if he has one in Washington already.

WR is a good position to have talent but too much can just create a money pit. Just look at the Falcons' last 3-4 years. Edited January 20, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Gordo52]

Ok. I'm blown away by Ashawn Robinson. I'll go as far as saying he's my favorite Bama prospect coming out since I've started seriously following the draft around 5 years ago...

I know it's not an immediate need but if we view him as BPA, think we pull the trigger? The potential is through the roof and you can never go wrong adding an versatile interior force that's still growing...Also a winner that brings leadership. 20 years old! 6'3, 320....How well would he fit schematically next to Williams & Jernigan? Baltimore would be a great spot for him to land, especially being coached by Brooks...

Uh-Oh....my Ramsey man crush is being threatened lol

Ramsey,Bosa,Jack,Robinson,Buckner - Will be thrilled any way we go

[Deflated Football]

WR is a good position to have talent but too much can just create a money pit. Just look at the Falcons' last 3-4 years.

So how have GB, Arizona and Pitt have so much success recently?

[January J]

'Twas a joke my dear. Just making fun out of his "minor" knee situation where we were told would last a couple days but ended up being season ending. Next time he misses a game due to illness, who knows how long that'll keep him out!

Again, just joking. Big BP fan right here. But look at the WR depth chart of teams like Pitt, Indy, Washington, Arizona, Cincinatti, GB, NE from a few years back with Moss and Welker, etc. I'd rather have an influx of talented WR's and surround Joe with as much speed and reliable players as possible because you don't know who might go down. But you're right, I wouldn't pay DeSean $7 mill a year, but maybe he'll take a relatively cheap one year prove it kind of deal to stay close to DMV. Not like he would even have to buy a house if he has one in Washington already.

I hear you but we don't need to mimmick what anybody else is doing in order to succeed. A few weapons is cool, but we need to get back to ravens football and do what we do best. Trestman changes things a bit but I think we try to be a lot more balanced next year and focus on bolstering our D.

[allblackraven]

Ok. I'm blown away by Ashawn Robinson. I'll go as far as saying he's my favorite Bama prospect coming out since I've started seriously following the draft around 5 years ago...

I know it's not an immediate need but if we view him as BPA, think we pull the trigger? The potential is through the roof and you can never go wrong adding an versatile interior force that's still growing...Also a winner that brings leadership. 20 years old! 6'3, 320....How well would he fit schematically next to Williams & Jernigan? Baltimore would be a great spot for him to land, especially being coached by Brooks...

Uh-Oh....my Ramsey man crush is being threatened lol

Ramsey,Bosa,Jack,Robinson,Buckner - Will be thrilled any way we go

Yep - he is a bit on a freakish side. I wouldn't mind either him or Buckner with our 1st.

[Deflated Football]

I hear you but we don't need to mimmick what anybody else is doing in order to succeed. A few weapons is cool, but we need to get back to ravens football and do what we do best. Trestman changes things a bit but I think we try to be a lot more balanced next year and focus on bolstering our D.

True, but we still need a relatively high octane offense to succeed nowadays

[Clmraven]

True, but we still need a relatively high octane offense to succeed nowadays

The fact that we threw for 4200 yards with 4 different QBs makes me think we can do very well with just a 2nd or 3rd round receiver. We seem to be finally developing wide outs with Aiken doing well and Butler looking okay with limited snaps, we have a good looking future on offense, I think Maxx could turn into an elite TE and Gillmore has already shown some value, if BP pans out we are looking at a very good offense, I think we should use this draft to build the defense, unless top offensive talents fall to the second or third round.

[Jaybirds]

you don't not draft a Slam dunk wr because you might possibly have guys that can contribute next year, especially when said guys are 37 coming off an Achilles and the other has never played a down.. That just isn't in anyone's mind in our FO

I'm going to say something horrifying:  I don't think it's an accident we don't have a big time AJ Green/Antonio Brown wide receiver.  I think it's an intentional decision.  I think it's why we let Torrey and Boldin walk.  I think it's why they keep talking about how Flacco can develop these guys.  I think it's why we go after not-quite-prime guys like SSS and Aiken last year.  I think it's why the FO and the coaches keep saying this is a run-first team even after they hired Trestman.  I think it's why Pitta, a tight end, was our primary target for a few years there.  I think it's why Bisciotti didn't mention taking a WR in the first, and why Ozzie said we were looking for one or two guys there for "depth". 

So yeah, I'm sure we wouldn't mind Dez Bryant on a rookie contract.  But A)  he'd have to be Dez Bryant day 1.  and B )  like Torrey, he wouldn't be here much past that rookie contract.   Maybe it's our own version of a Moneyball thing.  We look at teams like Seattle and New England with good-not-great WRs and big tight ends.  And then we go get Perriman (we had him at 17th, and saved a few million when he dropped to us) and Maxx to replace Pitta.  I think it's a matter of team philosophy. 

If there' a left tackle, pass rusher, or help in the secondary, we're skipping Treadwell.  Bisciotti said as much in the State of the Ravens press conference this year.  And I think there will be.  Treadwell is probably in our top 10, sure. But I really don't think he's in our top 6. 

I know this sounds insane.  And I'm not just playing devil's advocate.  But our front office isn't dumb.  This is the only explanation I've found that seems to explain everything.  We're just not interested in big time wide receivers. 

But if someone can tell me who we would bench to start Treadwell, and where we'd get the money, then I'll stop tilting at this windmill.  And I'll admit I'm wrong if we do take him.  I just don't see it based on everything up to this point. 

Edited January 20, 2016 by Jaybirds

[Jaybirds]

So how have GB, Arizona and Pitt have so much success recently?

Quarterback play.  Palmer has added a couple of years to Fitzgerald's career, GB got pretty far without Jordy (and I don't think Cobb is that good on a different team), and Roethlisberger isn't bad, especially when he has a running game and Heath Miller to take the pressure off. 

Pitt actually counts both ways:  Bryant and Wheaton would be perfectly fine for a lot of teams.  When he was healthy LeVeon Bell was definitely a receving running back.  And Heath was the man for a few years there.  Yes, they have a great receiver.  They aren't built around him the same way Atlanta is though. 

[Dewy101]

reiff was projected as a guard/RT to begin with, ereck flowers has shown real promise, greg robinson had questions about having the agility/technique to play OT and shouldnt have went as high as he did, taylor lewan has played very well, and the rest of those guys had no business going as high as they did because they were all extremely raw and nothing more than physical specimens being drafted on measurements and potential alone.

tunsil and stanley simply arent in that category, both are very polished players, stanley struggled to get push in the run game but he does anchor and hold his ground, and in a ZBS that lack of strong push will be masked and his quick footed and athletic skillset will be highlighted, while being an absolute stonewall in pass protection, he had his hands full ONCE in all of college and that was 1v1 against shaq lawson, he already looks like an NFL starter in terms of foot and hand work, same goes for tunsil he is just much more physically dominant as he can knock fools off the ball with ease and still provide the same light footed refined pass protection. the top 2 OTs of this class are simply light years ahead of anyone in recent memory in terms of nfl readiness, they arent "measurable" guys like everyone you listed

Reiff is plays at LT. You can't argue with that. Flowers shown promise? He was the lowest graded tackle by PFF this season. He have up 5 sacks, 17 hits(second most) and 47 hurries(the most). Lewan has given up 8 sacks second most in the league. Greg Robinson has given up 3 sacks and 19 hits the most in the league. It's every year people say (insert left tackle name here) is a can't miss player and he's going to dominate and every year it proves to be wrong. The Saints seem like geniuses stealing Terron Armstead in the 3rd round. Benching him his rookie year and now he's a top 5 LT and maybe even better

[Sizzlebshu]

Reiff is plays at LT. You can't argue with that. Flowers shown promise? He was the lowest graded tackle by PFF this season. He have up 5 sacks, 17 hits(second most) and 47 hurries(the most). Lewan has given up 8 sacks second most in the league. Greg Robinson has given up 3 sacks and 19 hits the most in the league. It's every year people say (insert left tackle name here) is a can't miss player and he's going to dominate and every year it proves to be wrong. The Saints seem like geniuses stealing Terron Armstead in the 3rd round. Benching him his rookie year and now he's a top 5 LT and maybe even better

You realize flowers was playing hurt all season and significnatly so

Reminds me of matthews. Horrid rookie yr cause he was unhealthy, but was much better yr 2

[usmccharles]

'Twas a joke my dear. Just making fun out of his "minor" knee situation where we were told would last a couple days but ended up being season ending. Next time he misses a game due to illness, who knows how long that'll keep him out!

Again, just joking. Big BP fan right here. But look at the WR depth chart of teams like Pitt, Indy, Washington, Arizona, Cincinatti, GB, NE from a few years back with Moss and Welker, etc. I'd rather have an influx of talented WR's and surround Joe with as much speed and reliable players as possible because you don't know who might go down. But you're right, I wouldn't pay DeSean $7 mill a year, but maybe he'll take a relatively cheap one year prove it kind of deal to stay close to DMV. Not like he would even have to buy a house if he has one in Washington already.

Pitt- Brown, Bryant, Wheaton= through the draft

Indi- They have a good WR corps?

Washington- Maybe the only one on this list that signed FAs to lead their WR corps

AZ- Fitz is a hall of famer (draft), Floyd has been good, Brown looks good (draft)

Cinci- Green was a number 4 draft pick, Sanu, Jones, Hill, Gio all through draft

GB-  Nelson 2nd round pick, Cobb 2nd round pick, Janis who looks interesting was a 7th round pick

NE-  They drafted Gronk and Edlemen (7th), but when you have Brady it really helps

 

Basically all the teams you listed has built their WR corps through the draft, Id say Washington and NE are the outliers.

 

So how have GB, Arizona and Pitt have so much success recently?

Palmer- MVP type year

Rodgers- hes a baad man

Ben- cant stand him but he deserves his respect as a top guy

 

So, QB play....

SSS, Breshad, Treadwell, DeSean Jackson, Aiken and the three headed monster at TE

After SSS retires, Treadwell will be the number one with DeSean and BP splitting time on the outside and in the slot with Aiken working underneath.

Judge Tread is going to cost us around 4mill a year, then to get DeSean would be at least 5 imo, then what we are paying SSr and BP.  What is that around 15mill ballpark, someone help me out there.   While i agree with you that it would be awesome to have that WR corps, its just not feasable with all the other holes.

 

As much as i want tread to come in, i dont think we snatch him up.  Im still convinced we grab a Veteran i.e. Nate Washington, Roddy White, maybe even Boldin, Not that im thrilled with any of that.  I want Garcon but it sounds like he will stay in Washington.  An additional WR will be added FA and i expect us to go defense with our pick. 

 

[Tru11]

'Twas a joke my dear. Just making fun out of his "minor" knee situation where we were told would last a couple days but ended up being season ending. Next time he misses a game due to illness, who knows how long that'll keep him out!

Again, just joking. Big BP fan right here. But look at the WR depth chart of teams like Pitt, Indy, Washington, Arizona, Cincinatti, GB, NE from a few years back with Moss and Welker, etc. I'd rather have an influx of talented WR's and surround Joe with as much speed and reliable players as possible because you don't know who might go down. But you're right, I wouldn't pay DeSean $7 mill a year, but maybe he'll take a relatively cheap one year prove it kind of deal to stay close to DMV. Not like he would even have to buy a house if he has one in Washington already.

 

so which of those teams won a SB with all that talent at WR?

[KDUBB44]

so which of those teams won a SB with all that talent at WR?

Seahawks... oh wait......

[BmoreBird22]

reiff was projected as a guard/RT to begin with, ereck flowers has shown real promise, greg robinson had questions about having the agility/technique to play OT and shouldnt have went as high as he did, taylor lewan has played very well, and the rest of those guys had no business going as high as they did because they were all extremely raw and nothing more than physical specimens being drafted on measurements and potential alone. 

I would have actually said that Jake Matthews was one of the more refined offensive tackles coming out of college and his pass blocking efficiency, according to PFF, is 95.7 and he only allowed one sack, fewest of any tackle (left or right) in a full 16 games. 

He was also PFF's most improved Falcons player, moving from 84 out of 84 to being inside the top 20 of tackles. Where he took a real hit was not being a good run blocker, but his pass blocking was night and day.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm going to say something horrifying: I don't think it's an accident we don't have a big time AJ Green/Antonio Brown wide receiver. I think it's an intentional decision. I think it's why we let Torrey and Boldin walk. I think it's why they keep talking about how Flacco can develop these guys. I think it's why we go after not-quite-prime guys like SSS and Aiken last year. I think it's why the FO and the coaches keep saying this is a run-first team even after they hired Trestman. I think it's why Pitta, a tight end, was our primary target for a few years there. I think it's why Bisciotti didn't mention taking a WR in the first, and why Ozzie said we were looking for one or two guys there for "depth".

So yeah, I'm sure we wouldn't mind Dez Bryant on a rookie contract. But A) he'd have to be Dez Bryant day 1. and B ) like Torrey, he wouldn't be here much past that rookie contract. Maybe it's our own version of a Moneyball thing. We look at teams like Seattle and New England with good-not-great WRs and big tight ends. And then we go get Perriman (we had him at 17th, and saved a few million when he dropped to us) and Maxx to replace Pitta. I think it's a matter of team philosophy.

If there' a left tackle, pass rusher, or help in the secondary, we're skipping Treadwell. Bisciotti said as much in the State of the Ravens press conference this year. And I think there will be. Treadwell is probably in our top 10, sure. But I really don't think he's in our top 6.

I know this sounds insane. And I'm not just playing devil's advocate. But our front office isn't dumb. This is the only explanation I've found that seems to explain everything. We're just not interested in big time wide receivers.

But if someone can tell me who we would bench to start Treadwell, and where we'd get the money, then I'll stop tilting at this windmill. And I'll admit I'm wrong if we do take him. I just don't see it based on everything up to this point.

at 6th overall we wouldn't be paying a pass rusher or cb or OT less money, we're not talking about a RB or MLB here, someones getting a fat deal.

And who would we bench for treadwell? Well, let Steve Smith play on a snap count God willing if perriman pans out, keep aiken in the wings because in the following season after SSS retires well be needing another wr and aiken is proven and will come cheap. We are farrrrr from having a sure thing at any wr slot, and the future outlook is even muddier. We have made this mistake for 2 out of the last 3 years and can't afford to do it again.

[JoeyFlex5]

I would have actually said that Jake Matthews was one of the more refined offensive tackles coming out of college and his pass blocking efficiency, according to PFF, is 95.7 and he only allowed one sack, fewest of any tackle (left or right) in a full 16 games.

He was also PFF's most improved Falcons player, moving from 84 out of 84 to being inside the top 20 of tackles. Where he took a real hit was not being a good run blocker, but his pass blocking was night and day.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

it was a long list lol.

And while he was "one of the more refined" tackles in recent memory that's not saying much, Matthews was also pretty soft coming out if I remember correctly. Greg Robinson and ereck flowers are the only tackles I thought went in their range at the time they were drafted(i'll admit I was wrong on robinson) but I hadn't liked any of these guys at the time the way I like these 2, this is the best top end OT class I may have ever seen

[Jaybirds]

at 6th overall we wouldn't be paying a pass rusher or cb or OT less money, we're not talking about a RB or MLB here, someones getting a fat deal.

And who would we bench for treadwell? Well, let Steve Smith play on a snap count God willing if perriman pans out, keep aiken in the wings because in the following season after SSS retires well be needing another wr and aiken is proven and will come cheap. We are farrrrr from having a sure thing at any wr slot, and the future outlook is even muddier. We have made this mistake for 2 out of the last 3 years and can't afford to do it again.

Not less money for CB or OT, but comparable money.  Less-than-great-examples:  if KO walks or we cut Monroe, then Stanley at $4.5 million isn't a stretch for our budget.  Cutting some combination of Kendrick Lewis, Kyle Arrington, and/or Elam would mean Ramsey/VHIII/Alexander wouldn't change our budget much.  We don't have those kinds of options at WR (and maybe not DL either). 

So we'd play SSS less and sometimes line Treadwell up in the slot for this year?  Or just not bring Aiken back and give Treadwell first crack at slot receiver.  Okay, yeah, I guess I could see that working for a year.  And like I said, I think SSS gets injured next year anyway.   If Smith had stayed retired we're not even having this conversation:  it's Treadwell all day.  But I think we'd get more impact next year out of a DB.  And Harbaugh already said we're looking for players, not projects. 

But thank you, this does make more sense to me than it did yesterday.  I'm not sold yet, but it's more palpable than it was. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Reiff is plays at LT. You can't argue with that. Flowers shown promise? He was the lowest graded tackle by PFF this season. He have up 5 sacks, 17 hits(second most) and 47 hurries(the most). Lewan has given up 8 sacks second most in the league. Greg Robinson has given up 3 sacks and 19 hits the most in the league. It's every year people say (insert left tackle name here) is a can't miss player and he's going to dominate and every year it proves to be wrong. The Saints seem like geniuses stealing Terron Armstead in the 3rd round. Benching him his rookie year and now he's a top 5 LT and maybe even better

like sizzle said, flowers played with a pretty significant injury. And reiff playing at lt doesn't mean he is an LT. He had always been projected as a RT and is playing out of position because they have no other options. Robinson is certainly a disappointment but he was another raw potential guy, just like the majority of the people you named. Like I said, the top OTs OF this class are not the same raw upside guys, they're already playing with NFL level savvy and technique, those guys never showed anything close to what these guys show.