Who should we take at #6?

[allblackraven]

Grim is sad

Maybe not - more chance we draft him next year, I reckon

[GrimCoconut]

Grim is sad

Not at all. I'm glad he's returning. We may have a better shot at him or maybe he proves he's not that good.

[nishadrahman13]

Just some food for thought:

 

Over the last two years, Ramsey has graded at +21.0 in coverage, +13.4 against the run, and +10.1 as a pass rusher.

[Cillmatic]

Jeremiah's mock 1.0. I must say, this one makes sense to me and I'd be content if it pans out like that:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/275602

1] Titans - Bosa

2] Browns - Goff

3] Chargers - Tunsil

4] Cowboys - Wentz

5] Jaguars - Buckner

6] Ravens - Ramsey

Interesting to me (and I fully agree) - Apple ranked ahead of both Alexander and Hargreaves.

No way the Cowboys waste a high pick on Wentz

[nishadrahman13]

And in comparison to Vernon Hargreaves:

 

His +22.3 coverage grade in 2014 is the best we’ve had in two years and while deep speed and size may come into question during the draft process, his upside as a natural cover man is too much to pass up.

[nishadrahman13]

No way the Cowboys waste a high pick on Wentz

You never know with Jerry Jones.

[nishadrahman13]

I love the hiring of Leslie Frazier, I really would be more confident taking Ramsey at 6 if I know he will be coached up well. Plus the thing is, I know I would be ecstatic to get him at say 10 or 12, and his ceiling is maybe the highest in the draft with Buckner, Tunsil, Bosa, and Ronnie Stanley. He obviously has more red flags, but he can ball. If the only Buckner Bosa Tunsil Stanley are all gone, I don't know if Treadwell is the next best player (based on potential). I mean if he is a bigger faster Tyrann Mathieu like he has shown to be in say the 2014 Miami game, how can you pass on that?

Edited January 18, 2016 by nishadrahman13

[allblackraven]

No way the Cowboys waste a high pick on Wentz

With Romo's age and health/injuries as of late, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[DomMcRaven]

Not at all. I'm glad he's returning. We may have a better shot at him or maybe he proves he's not that good.

Really depends on where we draft too for next season. 

[ravensnation5220]

-Added this post from another thread

I really think its just down to vh3, alexander, or ramsey. I think if Ramsey is there wed be hard pressed to pass on him.

http://espn.go.com/b...ens-cornerbacks

We really need some help at corner. It doesnt really matter if alexander has no pick. Hes a great cover corner and would help jimmy smith play better and make his job easier it would fix a whole for years to come and might be the most important. The nfl has 4 teams left and they all have great secondary and corners like peterson, josh norman, chris harris aqib talib, and Malcolm butler and yes butler is a damn good corner, and we all know ozzie loves his corners this has to be the answer this draft.

Edited January 19, 2016 by ravensnation5220

[PolishRifle]

Alexander comes out of nowhere and is a first round talent all of a sudden, even better a top 10 talent and everyone plays down the fact, that he didn't have any picks. Seems more like a gamble based on draft hype than a legit safe pick at #6.

Edited January 19, 2016 by PolishRifle

[PurpleCity5]

Alexander comes out of nowhere and is a first round talent all of a sudden, even better a top 10 talent and everyone plays down the fact, that he didn't have any picks. Seems more like a gamble based on draft hype than a legit safe pick at #6.

I see why you're concerned. I think Alexander is solid and definitely a safe prospect, but I don't know if he can develop into an elite talent at CB, only time will tell. I do think at the worst you get a quality player. I wouldn't consider him a blue chip. I'd say Bosa, Tunsil, and Buckner are on that list, Hargreaves recent struggles has me on the mend about him being there. 

[Valid1]

Ramsey, Bosa, and Treadwell are the guys I really like for the first round. If I had my pick we'd go home with Treadwell, as a true number 1 WR could do wonders for our offense and Treadwell is someone to pair with Joe for their entire careers. That said I'm sure we'll draft Stanely or something equally dumb and boring.

[PolishRifle]

Ramsey, Bosa, and Treadwell are the guys I really like for the first round. If I had my pick we'd go home with Treadwell, as a true number 1 WR could do wonders for our offense and Treadwell is someone to pair with Joe for their entire careers. That said I'm sure we'll draft Stanely or something equally dumb and boring.

 

I also like Treadwell alot. I still think he's the safest pick at #6, but we seem to be in minority here.

[usmccharles]

I also like Treadwell alot. I still think he's the safest pick at #6, but we seem to be in minority here.

I dont know about safest..but hes at the top of my list.  If we could have him and BP for the next couple years i think we will be ok...well, more than ok. 

[52520Andrew]

I also like Treadwell alot. I still think he's the safest pick at #6, but we seem to be in minority here.

Uh you guys see the poll results right? Treadwell is running away with it.

[PolishRifle]

Uh you guys see the poll results right? Treadwell is running away with it.

 

Fair enough. I haven't looked up the poll results in a while now. To be fair the discussion about him doesn't seem very positive. Most of the time I just hear: "Well, maybe if we trade down, but not at #6." I do like him more than both CBs or Stanley, to be honest. Unless Bosa slides down to us (not very likely), I don't think there's someone better.

[Cillmatic]

I hope we don't take Alexander. He's such a liability at times. A 12 year old could tackle better than him.

[JoeyFlex5]

I hope we don't take Alexander. He's such a liability at times. A 12 year old could tackle better than him.

leave it to cillmatic to take a solid prospect and blow concerns over 1 weakness out of the water lol

[usmccharles]

leave it to cillmatic to take a solid prospect and blow concerns over 1 weakness out of the water lol

In all fairness....tackling is a tad bit important

[sflegend89]

Interested to see how highly Ozzie/Eric will value Stanley as a prospect. There are some that see Stanley as a high level prospect and because of the position he plays he brings superior value to us if he can play up to his physical potential. On the flip side I could see how Ozzie/Eric don't think he's anywhere close to Tunsil and their board instead indicates taking the BPA that falls to us like a Ramsey or Hargreaves.

 

Treadwell also seems like a high upside pick and I would have no problem with us going all in on landing a potential #1 WR even if it will cost us a very high pick. While Treadwell might not be a slam dunk like AJ Green or Calvin Johnson coming out he does still have the potential to a top WR. The hands and catch radius Treadwell possesses is high level, grab him at #6 and then him and Perriman can get a year learning behind Steve Smith. Sets us up going into the future and we will have 2 high end WR's on rookie contracts, opens up more money to spend elsewhere.

[GrimCoconut]

Alexander comes out of nowhere and is a first round talent all of a sudden, even better a top 10 talent and everyone plays down the fact, that he didn't have any picks. Seems more like a gamble based on draft hype than a legit safe pick at #6.

Legitimate concern & great point. One thing I will say is that while it is something to make you pause I would bring your attention to Ezekiel Ansah. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

A guy who he took off our practuce squad and didn't give any significant snaps to.

Oh I know, but he was brought in do to the familiarity with the offense and to help get the other guys up to speed more quickly. He knew and could run the entire playbook.

 

Kelly's playbook does include a lot of zone read/read option looks and a QB without mobility just cant sell those plays.That was part of the issue with Bradford especially... when those plays were called the defense knew the ball would be handed off. No way was he going to pull it and run with it with his recent injury history.

 

I'm not saying Chip needs a running QB or even prefers one. But a QB with mobility is preferable, who can at least show those looks and sell them effectively. It doesnt have to be a Kap like player, but an Alex Smith kind of guy is IMO ideal.

 

It's not a complicated offense either so I dont think intelligence is that crucial. Its built on horizontal spacing and getting the 1st read into space. Most times if the 1st read isnt open you hit the dump off man who's leaking out into space. 

 

I think Kaepernick is more than capable of running the offense and bringing in the wrinkle that Bradford was unable to sell. He only has a few plays, but each play can be pass, RB run, or QB run. Without a QB who can at least move, that takes 1/3 of the options away and simplifies the offense a ton. 

 

Kelly sought out the 49ers job - not the other way around. Ive got to believe part of the reason is Kap, because theyre pretty much devoid of talent elsewhere. And Gabbert was available to him when he was with the Eagles, so i dont buy that its him. Torrey can be his Desean but with the character he likes, and theyve got a decent running game.

[Jaybirds]

Interested to see how highly Ozzie/Eric will value Stanley as a prospect. There are some that see Stanley as a high level prospect and because of the position he plays he brings superior value to us if he can play up to his physical potential. On the flip side I could see how Ozzie/Eric don't think he's anywhere close to Tunsil and their board instead indicates taking the BPA that falls to us like a Ramsey or Hargreaves.

 

Treadwell also seems like a high upside pick and I would have no problem with us going all in on landing a potential #1 WR even if it will cost us a very high pick. While Treadwell might not be a slam dunk like AJ Green or Calvin Johnson coming out he does still have the potential to a top WR. The hands and catch radius Treadwell possesses is high level, grab him at #6 and then him and Perriman can get a year learning behind Steve Smith. Sets us up going into the future and we will have 2 high end WR's on rookie contracts, opens up more money to spend elsewhere.

Sorry, but I'm going to beat this particular dead horse.  This year, our entire Wide Receiver corps cost a bit over $8.7 million combined.  Based on Kevin White's 7th pick salary last year, our #6 would cost us about $4.1 or $4.5 million annually. 

Drafting this early is not going to save us money at any position, but especially not a wide receiver.     At that money, we have to be looking for a slam dunk. 

Edited January 19, 2016 by Jaybirds

[ravensnation5220]

I hope we don't take Alexander. He's such a liability at times. A 12 year old could tackle better than him.

hes a better tackler then vh3. At least he has a willingness to tackle, i dont expect him to take down dalvin cook or calvin Ridley every time in the open feild but he did do a good job for the most part vs ridley

[Sizzlebshu]

Myles jack should be healthy for the combine

[January J]

Sorry, but I'm going to beat this particular dead horse.  This year, our entire Wide Receiver corps cost a bit over $8.7 million combined.  Based on Kevin White's 7th pick salary last year, our #6 would cost us about $4.1 or $4.5 million annually. 

Drafting this early is not going to save us money at any position, but especially not a wide receiver.     At that money, we have to be looking for a slam dunk.

Treadwell may be the closest thing to a slam dunk that will still be available at 6. We'll see how it pans out..but all of the blue chip slam dunks will most likely be gone. I think after the combine anybody who had concerns about taking tread at 6 will no longer be worried about it.

[Jaybirds]

Treadwell may be the closest thing to a slam dunk that will still be available at 6. We'll see how it pans out..but all of the blue chip slam dunks will most likely be gone. I think after the combine anybody who had concerns about taking tread at 6 will no longer be worried about it.

I'll still be concerned after the combine.  It's not about his talent, but what we do with him next year.  With this much money we're in a weird spot where the guy should be contributing this year as well as in the future.  But with Steve Smith and Perriman coming back, and Maxx Williams as another returning receiver threat, I just don't think there's going to be the snaps every will need to develop.  Admittedly, I don't think SSS is going to play 16 games next year.  But I really think other positions are a better fit for us.  (corner and nickel, possibly OL, pass rusher but I'm confused about where they'd line up for us.)

 

[52520Andrew]

Oh I know, but he was brought in do to the familiarity with the offense and to help get the other guys up to speed more quickly. He knew and could run the entire playbook.

Kelly's playbook does include a lot of zone read/read option looks and a QB without mobility just cant sell those plays.That was part of the issue with Bradford especially... when those plays were called the defense knew the ball would be handed off. No way was he going to pull it and run with it with his recent injury history.

I'm not saying Chip needs a running QB or even prefers one. But a QB with mobility is preferable, who can at least show those looks and sell them effectively. It doesnt have to be a Kap like player, but an Alex Smith kind of guy is IMO ideal.

It's not a complicated offense either so I dont think intelligence is that crucial. Its built on horizontal spacing and getting the 1st read into space. Most times if the 1st read isnt open you hit the dump off man who's leaking out into space.

I think Kaepernick is more than capable of running the offense and bringing in the wrinkle that Bradford was unable to sell. He only has a few plays, but each play can be pass, RB run, or QB run. Without a QB who can at least move, that takes 1/3 of the options away and simplifies the offense a ton.

Kelly sought out the 49ers job - not the other way around. Ive got to believe part of the reason is Kap, because theyre pretty much devoid of talent elsewhere. And Gabbert was available to him when he was with the Eagles, so i dont buy that its him. Torrey can be his Desean but with the character he likes, and theyve got a decent running game.

Thats great and all but my point is that him going after one of our PS guys is not the same as drafting Barkley, signing Sanchez, and trading his starting QB for Bradford. It just isn't

[January J]

I'll still be concerned after the combine. It's not about his talent, but what we do with him next year. With this much money we're in a weird spot where the guy should be contributing this year as well as in the future. But with Steve Smith and Perriman coming back, and Maxx Williams as another returning receiver threat, I just don't think there's going to be the snaps every will need to develop. Admittedly, I don't think SSS is going to play 16 games next year. But I really think other positions are a better fit for us. (corner and nickel, possibly OL, pass rusher but I'm confused about where they'd line up for us.)

a year to learn behind sss some would say is a good thing. And say Perriman tweaks his knee in week 2 and were back in the same position as last year not having a contingency plan and needing a 38 year old sss to shoulder the load. Hes our chance at finally getting a true number 1 without having to pay 10 million dollars for him. And when we pass and he turns into the next Dez Bryant were gonna be kickin ourselves for the next 10 years. Edited January 19, 2016 by January J