Who should we take at #6?

[RavensFanMania]

lol I could win a job over gabbert. And if that happens I'll have no excuse, I'll just say I was wrong. I'm not convinced they think kaep is the future and he looks like a horrible fit for chip, you don't have to agree and I really could care less if you agree since your opinion always seems to be actual fact in your world.

I could win a job over Gabbert as well.  lol and agree, some people have no problem admitting they were wrong and I'll be right with you, considering we are both in total agreement. 

[RavensFanMania]

I doubt it as well and many of JF5 comments maybe spot on or very close but I don't think the 49er's org has the same mindset and will do everything to investigate the possibilities Kap has to offer. The league may have caught up with Kap/Kelly but I don't see the 49er's investing in another QB (high in the draft) unless it's an insurance policy move. As usual I could be wrong.  I will say that initially the union may be a gimmick laden introduction to league as far as scheme's but it will be dissected. The unknowns are who (Players & coaches) would want to stay there with such an approach.

It's not like they drafted him a couple years ago, he was in the 2011 draft class.  I think they have had plenty of time to evaluate him. 

[RavensFanMania]

Trent dilfer, Mark rypien, Neil odonnell, earl morrall, Vince ferragamo, Stan Humphries, Chris Chandler, just a long list of reasons you should disregard that last statement

I'm not sure what this is in relation to, outside of them being SB winners and runner ups.  Maybe I  just haven't had enough caffeine this morning.

Edited January 17, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[thieverycorporation]

It's not like they drafted him a couple years ago, he was in the 2011 draft class.  I think they have had plenty of time to evaluate him. 

Which (your comment) suggest they have already made up there minds that Kap offers them a clear cut option to install a Chip based scheme around him. I've listened to and comprehend the comments of other's in disagreement with thee idea, but until the 49er's make comments/moves that suggest otherwise, consensus/logic would be, they stick with Kap. He's had no major injuries which is major plus, he runs extremely well, has touch sometimes which can be tweaked. Should be Cap friendly, knows the nuances of a spread style.

My reservations with the idea working successfully are the players on that roster don't really equate to a spread style meaning some major turnover. Boldin probably won't be back if finds a better fit for his services or retires. I think he wants another ring and one more payday with most money guaranteed via signing bonus.

Edited January 17, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[BmoreBird22]

1)Ramsey- Trade up for floyd- sterling sheppard- dahl- Jones

2)Trade back for treadwell- apple- yannick- bell- dahl- jones

3) Trade back for Alexander- Boyd- Yannick -Howard/Thompson- Dahl- Jones

*I'd pick up an ILB with one of our comp picks too.

Might not even be there at 6...

[GrimCoconut]

Might not even be there at 6...

I think he'll be there but Jacksonville and Dallas could very well take him.

[BmoreBird22]

I think he'll be there but Jacksonville and Dallas could very well take him.

Jacksonville is the team I worry about taking him. 

 

I think Dallas has more pressing needs at LB and DL, on the defense, to take a corner that high.

[RavensFanMania]

Might not even be there at 6...

I could be wrong, but I highly doubt Alexander is gone by our pick.

[BmoreBird22]

I could be wrong, but I highly doubt Alexander is gone by our pick.

The only team I worry about is Jacksonville because they'll need secondary help and he's the best cover corner in the draft to me. I'm sure you've seen me say that plenty, but I really do feel like Jacksonville is a threat to take him. If he is there at 6, I would not take a single chance on him as a trade back target. I personally would take him right then and there.

[thieverycorporation]

Might not even be there at 6...

I like the way you think and would be a dream come true. Would be an all star draft. 

[BmoreBird22]

I like the way you think and would be a dream come true. Would be an all star draft. 

My dream scenario for one, two would be Alexander, then Boyd

[thieverycorporation]

The only team I worry about is Jacksonville because they'll need secondary help and he's the best cover corner in the draft to me. I'm sure you've seen me say that plenty, but I really do feel like Jacksonville is a threat to take him. If he is there at 6, I would not take a single chance on him as a trade back target. I personally would take him right then and there.

Yep because the greedy may become the needy. If you like that player you'd better take him. Gambling there may not payoff. Now to trade back with another option in mind is a totally different proposition. Everything is fluid to date so we'll just have to see how free agency plays out. i'm hoping the options for all 32 teams will have a causal effect and put a glaring spotlight as to what teams have addressed before the draft. Lessens the speculation of what the teams may want to acquire in the draft. Not saying they won't double deep but it will help clarify how they may want to spend their draft capital and possible salary cap implications this year and going into training camps. Smoothing out the rough edges from the current rosters lets opponent analysis spy possible and most likely moves.

[thieverycorporation]

My dream scenario for one, two would be Alexander, then Boyd

My dream is to trade back and take Cravens in the late teen's/early twenties pick up 2/2's and a third. Calculations be dammed. Take Boyd/Doctson in the second of the bat. I'm using my 2nd acquired pick for Shepard and wide receiver selection s are done in the selection process. In the 3rd I have 2 as well and I'm just getting started in evaluating whom I'd selected according to todays projections.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm not sure what this is in relation to, outside of them being SB winners and runner ups. Maybe I just haven't had enough caffeine this morning.

lol it was just regarding the sentiments that kaepernick should be a future starter because of past achievements is all

[BmoreBird22]

My dream is to trade back and take Cravens in the late teen's/early twenties pick up 2/2's and a third. Calculations be dammed. Take Boyd/Doctson in the second of the bat. I'm using my 2nd acquired pick for Shepard and wide receiver selection s are done in the selection process. In the 3rd I have 2 as well and I'm just getting started in evaluating whom I'd selected according to todays projections.

Su'a Cravens to me feels more like a trade up from the second then a trade back guy. 

I am personally very against trading back from six because the Ravens haven't had this chance since, well, Peter Boulware, right? Why risk missing out on a generational talent to acquire extra two's? I'd need compensation that involved first round picks for that.

[Gordo52]

I'm expecting Ramsey to light up the combine & wouldn't be surprised to see him go anywhere in the top 5

I'm convinced he'll be a superstar in this league.

[RavensFanMania]

lol it was just regarding the sentiments that kaepernick should be a future starter because of past achievements is all

got it and that makes sense. 

[thieverycorporation]

Su'a Cravens to me feels more like a trade up from the second then a trade back guy. 

I am personally very against trading back from six because the Ravens haven't had this chance since, well, Peter Boulware, right? Why risk missing out on a generational talent to acquire extra two's? I'd need compensation that involved first round picks for that.

I understand but Cravens is projected in the first not second. It may change but i wouldn't bank on it. I also understand your compensation issue but i'm looking for my guys and not so concerned with it. A lot of noise is made of the compensation for this for that. I'm grabbing players and not a player that may or may not be healthy year one. I'll take my chances in other area's and moving back for a best player available that fits a need while acquiring other choices has been a hallmark for Ozzie. 2/2's and 2/3's is plenty and I'm bolstering my squad this year. Not a possible maybe next year. That method could also go a long way to possibly getting a Jaylon Smith off a major injury. It's costing much more then a few draft spots. I'll hang my hat on the ability to get the perceived cream of the crop and not have to wait while I see certain positions being decimated by rival teams. One teams unorthodox draft selection often upsets the apple cart. I don't like bruised fruit ! So I'll put monkey wrench in the works myself. Un predictable has to be MO.

[thieverycorporation]

Su'a Cravens to me feels more like a trade up from the second then a trade back guy. 

I am personally very against trading back from six because the Ravens haven't had this chance since, well, Peter Boulware, right? Why risk missing out on a generational talent to acquire extra two's? I'd need compensation that involved first round picks for that.

And to your point about a trade up from 2nd, How do propose to get a Boyd if we did that ? 

[Inqui]

I'm expecting Ramsey to light up the combine & wouldn't be surprised to see him go anywhere in the top 5

I'm convinced he'll be a superstar in this league.

I think he'd be fantastic in Jacksonville. He's a great fit for Gus Bradley's scheme and can be a genuine playmaker and secondary cornerstone for a side that needs them. Gotta love his freakish athleticism (guy could win a string of Olympic golds had he gone down that road)

[GrimCoconut]

Jacksonville is the team I worry about taking him.

I think Dallas has more pressing needs at LB and DL, on the defense, to take a corner that high.

Dallas traded up for Claiborne, who could be a cap casualty with Carr. Sean Lee and Hitchens played very well last year. They may need a LB to replace McClain if he leaves but that's debatable. They could use a DL like Buckner but we'll see. They are certainly a threat.

I think Jacksonville wants Ramsey more. I think they'll take Ramsey if he's there.

[BmoreBird22]

And to your point about a trade up from 2nd, How do propose to get a Boyd if we did that ? 

They wouldn't be able to.

[Gordo52]

I think he'd be fantastic in Jacksonville. He's a great fit for Gus Bradley's scheme and can be a genuine playmaker and secondary cornerstone for a side that needs them. Gotta love his freakish athleticism (guy could win a string of Olympic golds had he gone down that road)

Agreed.

& If Fowler comes back strong and lives up to his promise, Jax will have a legit young core that should be playing for the division....I hate them because I know there's no way they let Ramsey fall to us.

[January J]

The only team I worry about is Jacksonville because they'll need secondary help and he's the best cover corner in the draft to me. I'm sure you've seen me say that plenty, but I really do feel like Jacksonville is a threat to take him. If he is there at 6, I would not take a single chance on him as a trade back target. I personally would take him right then and there.

I see the jaguars going after ramsey or vh3. But the combine will tell alot.

[BmoreBird22]

I see the jaguars going after ramsey or vh3. But the combine will tell alot.

Let me guess- because they played at a Florida school? Do not buy that as a good reason, at all.

[January J]

Let me guess- because they played at a Florida school? Do not buy that as a good reason, at all.

absolutely not, didn't even think about that. I just know they need secondary help and I think they will value his versatility and play making ability. Alexander had kind of flown under the radar and I think they are dumb and will just buy into the hype around the other two.

[BmoreBird22]

absolutely not, didn't even think about that. I just know they need secondary help and I think they will value his versatility and play making ability. Alexander had kind of flown under the radar and I think they are dumb and will just buy into the hype around the other two.

Okay, then you're not one of many who think that... I apologize.

 

However, the Jaguars have been drafting better as of late, much like the Raiders.

Being a descendent of the Seattle coaching scheme, Gus Bradley could value the zone coverage skills of VH3, but at this point, I'd be looking for the best corner available and I think that's Alexander. Just my thinking.

[Gordo52]

As of now, assuming we resign KO:

1. Jalen Ramsey

2. Joey Bosa

3. DeForest Buckner

4. Myles Jack

5. Mackenzie Alexander

6. Robert Nkemdiche

7. Vernon Hargreaves

I'm predicting 1, maybe 2 QB's get taken in the top 5. I'll be happy with anyone here. These are just my favorite fits for us. I will be thrilled with any from the top 4.

[JoeyFlex5]

As of now, assuming we resign KO:

1. Jalen Ramsey

2. Joey Bosa

3. DeForest Buckner

4. Myles Jack

5. Mackenzie Alexander

6. Robert Nkemdiche

7. Vernon Hargreaves

I'm predicting 1, maybe 2 QB's get taken in the top 5. I'll be happy with anyone here. These are just my favorite fits for us. I will be thrilled with any from the top 4.

I can promise with 100% certainty that our FO is not gonna value Ramsey over bosa lol. Unless youre just giving your personal board

[Cillmatic]

With Hue Jackson basically announcing that the Browns are drafting a QB at #2 Joey Bosa had a good chance of falling to us; a scenario I'd be ok with if it weren't for a few issues.

•Commitment- I recall after a bad game this season in which he had 3 false starts Bosa was asked if he'd review the game tape and he replied with a no, if Ed or Ray were there they'd punch him in the face for that

•stiffness

•suspension-currently unknown what happened

•inexperience in 3-4

•GAPING hole at #CB

Edited January 17, 2016 by Cillmatic