Who should we take at #6?

[thieverycorporation]

exactly lol, but you could also replace Vick with kaepernick in that sentence and it would be just as true. I'm saying that kaepernick is a horrible fit for Kellys system and goff appears to be ideal for it Although needing a bit of development to cut down on the errant throws. I don't think chip to SF means they're out of the qb race

Why is Kap a horrible fit? Expound please ?

[Sizzlebshu]

so just to clarify, your argument is "the media says X so X is true" ?

So when kap wins the job over gabbert and theybdont take a qb what will your excuse be then? Kap got better?

[JoeyFlex5]

So when kap wins the job over gabbert and theybdont take a qb what will your excuse be then? Kap got better?

lol I could win a job over gabbert. And if that happens I'll have no excuse, I'll just say I was wrong. I'm not convinced they think kaep is the future and he looks like a horrible fit for chip, you don't have to agree and I really could care less if you agree since your opinion always seems to be actual fact in your world. Edited January 16, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[JoeyFlex5]

Why is Kap a horrible fit? Expound please ?

no accuracy, no touch, no sense of timing, mechanics of a high schooler, slow to make reads, can't diagnose pre snap, treats every throw as if he has a wide open throwing lane, does everything slow except for run.

Read option offenses based on qb keepers don't work in the NFL outside of a few cases of short term success, and that is the only offense kaep is capable of running successfully. Chips offense needs someone who can operate a passing offense quickly, release quick, read quick, snap quick, sure chip coached a running machine in college but he's no longer in college and mariota is a different animal with the ability to function effectively as a passer.

[JoeyFlex5]

Also to reiterate... My argument isn't necessarily that the niners are absolutely targeting a qb. My argument is that kaepernick is a bad fit for chips offense.

[January J]

No my argument is what I stated. Chip wasn't brought in solely by chance. And it's quite obvious why. They have QB (KaP) that took them to a SB and nearly won it. Why would they re invest in an own un- Known QB when you want to utilize just about the same formula. I noticed your not convinced but the consensus says otherwise. Does it make it true. No.  What do have to offer that would refute the notion that the idea wouldn't be consistent with move to 49ers. The talking heads on the NFL.com/network do get inside information and report it daily.  I tend to believe what they report as opposed to leaning on my own understanding as what the terms and/or conditions maybe.

Does this clear it up for yah !

I actually agree..I think chip will try to reinvent kap..he probably thinks he can " fix" him and will want to take the credit for it. Kap did almost win a superbowl..so he probably thinks he can tweak a few things and bring back the old kap. I think he will fail miserably..But that doesn't mean he won't try...unless he aaabsolutely falls in love with wentz or something and him and kap don't seem to be on the same page..But I doubt it.

[thieverycorporation]

no accuracy, no touch, no sense of timing, mechanics of a high schooler, slow to make reads, can't diagnose pre snap, treats every throw as if he has a wide open throwing lane, does everything slow except for run.

Read option offenses based on qb keepers don't work in the NFL outside of a few cases of short term success, and that is the only offense kaep is capable of running successfully. Chips offense needs someone who can operate a passing offense quickly, release quick, read quick, snap quick, sure chip coached a running machine in college but he's no longer in college and mariota is a different animal with the ability to function effectively as a passer.

Translation;Superbowl runner up lol

We'll just have to see if your analysis is accurate in Chips System. Stay tuned. I'll be watching !

[RavensFanMania]

Why is Kap a horrible fit? Expound please ?

Kap is not an accurate QB, doesn't read the field well, pretty slow release as well.  Just look at his game tape, he's one of the worst starters in the league. 

 

If they keep Kap, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after RG3 as well as the backkup.  Atleast RG3 is more accurate.

[thieverycorporation]

I actually agree..I think chip will try to reinvent kap..he probably thinks he can " fix" him and will want to take the credit for it. Kap did almost win a superbowl..so he probably thinks he can tweak a few things and bring back the old kap. I think he will fail miserably..But that doesn't mean he won't try...unless he aaabsolutely falls in love with wentz or something and him and kap don't seem to be on the same page..But I doubt it.

I doubt it as well and many of JF5 comments maybe spot on or very close but I don't think the 49er's org has the same mindset and will do everything to investigate the possibilities Kap has to offer. The league may have caught up with Kap/Kelly but I don't see the 49er's investing in another QB (high in the draft) unless it's an insurance policy move. As usual I could be wrong.  I will say that initially the union may be a gimmick laden introduction to league as far as scheme's but it will be dissected. The unknowns are who (Players & coaches) would want to stay there with such an approach.

Edited January 16, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[thieverycorporation]

Kap is not an accurate QB, doesn't read the field well, pretty slow release as well.  Just look at his game tape, he's one of the worst starters in the league. 

 

If they keep Kap, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after RG3 as well as the backkup.  Atleast RG3 is more accurate.

Yeah, because he should be cheap as his career isn't looking to promising after the failed attempt to regain any semblance of what he offered coming out of college. I agree. Only thing is (to me) Chip can't really afford to have two damaged ego's vying for the same position. And RG3 doesn't run partially well as he looks a lot slower and tentative as to not get Ngata'ed again. lol 

[CalvinSmoke]

I put my vote in for mack

[JoeyFlex5]

Translation;Superbowl runner up lol

We'll just have to see if your analysis is accurate in Chips System. Stay tuned. I'll be watching !

Trent dilfer, Mark rypien, Neil odonnell, earl morrall, Vince ferragamo, Stan Humphries, Chris Chandler, just a long list of reasons you should disregard that last statement

[thieverycorporation]

Trent dilfer, Mark rypien, Neil odonnell, earl morrall, Vince ferragamo, Stan Humphries, Chris Chandler, just a long list of reasons you should disregard that last statement

Scared money can't win !

[JoeyFlex5]

Scared money can't win !

putting your money on chip Kelly reinventing colin freaking kaepernick isn't what I'd call scared money lol, id call that Pretty ballsy... So ballsy as a matter of fact that it's flat out dumb lol

[thieverycorporation]

putting your money on chip Kelly reinventing colin freaking kaepernick isn't what I'd call scared money lol, id call that Pretty ballsy... So ballsy as a matter of fact that it's flat out dumb lol

Never said it was smart. Said is was intent. I don't see it as a good or sound move for the 49er's. I also think its a blatant attempt by Baalke to slam JH as the failure and to solidify his position as the true brain trust and architect of the team that lost to us by a narrow margin.

[JoeyFlex5]

Never said it was smart. Said is was intent. I don't see it as a good or sound move for the 49er's. I also think its a blatant attempt by Baalke to slam JH as the failure and to solidify his position as the true brain trust and architect of the team that lost to us by a narrow margin.

that sounds pretty spot on to me. theyre either doing this, or theyre serious about winning lol, not both.

[RavensFanMania]

Yeah, because he should be cheap as his career isn't looking to promising after the failed attempt to regain any semblance of what he offered coming out of college. I agree. Only thing is (to me) Chip can't really afford to have two damaged ego's vying for the same position. And RG3 doesn't run partially well as he looks a lot slower and tentative as to not get Ngata'ed again. lol 

I agree that Chip Kelly doesn't need to damaged egos on he same team.  That being said, if you watch the game that RG3 broke sprained his ankle and he was running absolutely fine.  I don't think he's damaged goods in that regard.  He just can't read a field and can't play well from the pocket.  His indecision also got him killed in the pocket and it won't help in Kelly's offense either.

[Cillmatic]

Our biggest needs are WR and CB. Just take the best available player between those positions.

[GrimCoconut]

Our biggest needs are WR and CB. Just take the best available player between those positions.

I dunno. I think pass rusher is pretty important.

[rmw10]

I dunno. I think pass rusher is pretty important.

 

And you can't discount LT (if KO leaves) or S, either.

[GrimCoconut]

And you can't discount LT (if KO leaves) or S, either.

Yeah, I just feel confident we'll bring back KO but you're right.

[Sizzlebshu]

Yeah, I just feel confident we'll bring back KO but you're right.

I don't think we can justify it even if we think he is a good LT ( I doubt it and why would you want to move him from where he is a pro bowler anyway). He isn't the poster boy for health either. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think we can justify it even if we think he is a good LT ( I doubt it and why would you want to move him from where he is a pro bowler anyway). He isn't the poster boy for health either.

So what's your thought then? Take Stanley if he's there and Bosa and Tunsil are gone?

[January J]

So what's your thought then? Take Stanley if he's there and Bosa and Tunsil are gone?

that's a strong possibility if we let KO walk. I think Stanley and Ramsey will be ozzies two main candidates if we stay at 6.

[GrimCoconut]

that's a strong possibility if we let KO walk. I think Stanley and Ramsey will be ozzies two main candidates if we stay at 6.

Maybe. I just think Castillo will love Dahl and convince Ozzie he's just a good with work. I'm a really big fan of Dahl, though. I think he fits the mold of a Castillo LT.

[January J]

1)Ramsey- Trade up for floyd- sterling sheppard- dahl- Jones

2)Trade back for treadwell- apple- yannick- bell- dahl- jones

3) Trade back for Alexander- Boyd- Yannick -Howard/Thompson- Dahl- Jones

*I'd pick up an ILB with one of our comp picks too.

Edited January 17, 2016 by January J

[Sizzlebshu]

So what's your thought then? Take Stanley if he's there and Bosa and Tunsil are gone?

I mean paying KO would be pretty offensive to Yanda for one thing (Yanda played both RT and RG for us). KO played LT when the games didn't really matter and you can argue how well he did then to a degree. 

 

My suggestion is let him walk and retain Monroe. If Stanley ends up being good and we take him. We can release Monroe and whoever will slide in a guard. We have a replacement level guard. He may not be the pro bowl run blocker osemele is, but we won't take a significant hit losing osemele as compared to if we don't have a viable LT

Edited January 17, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[GrimCoconut]

I mean paying KO would be pretty offensive to Yanda for one thing (Yanda played both RT and RG for us). KO played LT when the games didn't really matter and you can argue how well he did then to a degree. 

 

My suggestion is let him walk and retain Monroe. If Stanley ends up being good and we take him. We can release Monroe and whoever will slide in a guard. We have a replacement level guard. He may not be the pro bowl run blocker osemele is, but we won't take a significant hit losing osemele as compared to if we don't have a viable LT

I don't think Yanda would care, honestly. 

 

With that said, I think we could just roll with Monroe & draft a LT as a back-up, such as Dahl, a little later. I wouldn't be the biggest fan of it, but I get it and would understand it. I think we'll have to see. I personally think the team brings back KO but I do agree it's no foregone conclusion he returns or goes elsewhere regardless. 

[52520Andrew]

Not signing K.O. because of what Yanda might think? Maybe if Yanda were T.O. but he isn't

[usmccharles]

Not signing K.O. because of what Yanda might think? Maybe if Yanda were T.O. but he isn't

but that's my guard...