Who should we take at #6?

[RavensFanMania]

Horrible horrible news for us. Chip Kelly has been hired by the 49ers. Kaepernick seems to be a perfect fit for the style of offense he wants to run. Not only will that mean they won't be interested in trading up, all other teams interested will just wait for their guy to fall or jump in front of another team. Even if they don't move on with kap- chip will be reluctant to make any crazy trades in the draft that will possibly backfire after what happened in philly. Not good. Maybe I'm overreacting but I think we can kiss our trade back option goodbye. Not the end of the world though - and May even be a blessing in disguise. I might have rather stayed at 6 anyway if we have a shot at a true playmaker. We will see what happens.

Yes, it can be a blessing in disguise, but don't take the media hype.  I'm not so sure Kelly will want Kap for his long term QB, besides he's not the GM anymore. 

[Clmraven]

He HAS to score 5 TDs? Just because we draft a go-to WR, we suddenly don't try to run it in at all?

Read the post i was quoting.

[RavensFanMania]

what makes you say kaep is perfect for his offense? kelly doesnt run a "rollout and take off downfield" offense, he knows this isnt college, his system is based on quick progressions and quick releases and not overthinking it, kaepernick may be the worst fit possible lol. i mean sure he could revert to his mariota oregon playbook but he wouldnt last long running that

Exactly right.  Media just thinks he would have been going after him if he was with the Eagles and they think all Chip Kelly wants is a QB that is mobile and can run.   A quick release, Kap does not have and I also think they are still in play at QB.

[JoeyFlex5]

Exactly right.  Media just thinks he would have been going after him if he was with the Eagles and they think all Chip Kelly wants is a QB that is mobile and can run.   A quick release, Kap does not have and I also think they are still in play at QB.

i think theyre 100% still in play, kapernick has made it more than clear that he is hot garbage and is useless in every situation besides the rare opportunity he gets to streak down the sideline. 

[usmccharles]

i think theyre 100% still in play, kapernick has made it more than clear that he is hot garbage and is useless in every situation besides the rare opportunity he gets to streak down the sideline.

also, taking a his own qb kind of gives him a bit of lead way to let the guy develope. We have seen kapernick have a great year or two, so that would be expected for chip to get that out of him again. A rookie needs time to develope obviously, just a smarter move to take his own guy

[Sizzlebshu]

i really have to figure this out.... when did chip kellys system suddenly become about running qb's? hes not in oregon anymore nor does he call a RG3 offense, he may be bad when trying to play GM but the dude is no dummy when it comes to calling a game, he knows that he cant use his oregon playbook in the NFL.

it has always been that way. He just didnt have access to a decent one Edited January 15, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[January J]

what makes you say kaep is perfect for his offense? kelly doesnt run a "rollout and take off downfield" offense, he knows this isnt college, his system is based on quick progressions and quick releases and not overthinking it, kaepernick may be the worst fit possible lol. i mean sure he could revert to his mariota oregon playbook but he wouldnt last long running that

well the narrative always was that the only thing chip was lacking in Philly was a mobile qb...I'm not an expert on the style of offense he runs by any means - but all of the analysts have been saying that his hire is the absolute best thing that could've happened for kap , and that he may have a second coming with chip at the helm. Edited January 15, 2016 by January J

[January J]

also, taking a his own qb kind of gives him a bit of lead way to let the guy develope. We have seen kapernick have a great year or two, so that would be expected for chip to get that out of him again. A rookie needs time to develope obviously, just a smarter move to take his own guy

there's two sides to that though.. he might be reluctant to take a qb that high bc of the stigma he received in philly. He may just want to fly under the radar instead of taking a lot of chances and making big splashes. If he goes in and starts shaking things up then once again he will have a lot of pressure on him to immediately show results. If anything it will have to be the decision of the Gm bc no way do I see them letting chip make personell decisions. Hopefully their brass is ready to move on from kap.

[Gordo52]

So Ramsey & Bosa are my favorite prospects, by far... A lot will change in the next 3 months but I don't expect either making it to #6. If one does, we better pounce on em. Both look like future studs wherever they'll end up. As of now, I wouldn't mind trading up for either one.

Need to watch a lot more of Mackenzie Alexanders game tapes but he looks legit to me as well & the potential is there. Treadwell isn't worth the 6th pick, IMO. I don't think he can do anything to change my mind from here to the draft. I would love us adding another quality, youthful receiver for Joe, but I've never wanted us to go BPA more than this year and I don't see Treadwell being it.

Hopefully we resign K.O. & wont look at OT @ 6.Would love to see Jack & Mosley grow together. His athleticism & playmaking speaks for itself.

[GrimCoconut]

So Ramsey & Bosa are my favorite prospects, by far... A lot will change in the next 3 months but I don't expect either making it to #6. If one does, we better pounce on em. Both look like future studs wherever they'll end up. As of now, I wouldn't mind trading up for either one.

Need to watch a lot more of Mackenzie Alexanders game tapes but he looks legit to me as well & the potential is there. Treadwell isn't worth the 6th pick, IMO. I don't think he can do anything to change my mind from here to the draft. I would love us adding another quality, youthful receiver for Joe, but I've never wanted us to go BPA more than this year and I don't see Treadwell being it.

Hopefully we resign K.O. & wont look at OT @ 6.Would love to see Jack & Mosley grow together. His athleticism & playmaking speaks for itself.

Ramsey, Alexander, and even Hargreaves are all high on my list. Bosa is at the top though. I think we will re-sign KO and take a guy in the 3-4th.

[52520Andrew]

Tunsil is my number 1 player but Bosa is #2. Gets a lot closer after that for me

[January J]

So Ramsey & Bosa are my favorite prospects, by far... A lot will change in the next 3 months but I don't expect either making it to #6. If one does, we better pounce on em. Both look like future studs wherever they'll end up. As of now, I wouldn't mind trading up for either one.

Need to watch a lot more of Mackenzie Alexanders game tapes but he looks legit to me as well & the potential is there. Treadwell isn't worth the 6th pick, IMO. I don't think he can do anything to change my mind from here to the draft. I would love us adding another quality, youthful receiver for Joe, but I've never wanted us to go BPA more than this year and I don't see Treadwell being it.

Hopefully we resign K.O. & wont look at OT @ 6.Would love to see Jack & Mosley grow together. His athleticism & playmaking speaks for itself.

very possible bosa falls to us and even more likely that Ramsey does. No need to trade up...and would be ill-advised to do so considering the holes we need to fill and our minimal cap space to move in FA. Ozzie values them picks and he will want to stock up..esp considering the talent around the second and third.

[JoeyFlex5]

it has always been that way. He just didnt have access to a decent one

Kelly wants a qb-running system in the NFL so he clamored for Sam Bradford.. Makes sense.

Nick foles didn't do so well in Philly because hes a runner, he did well because he's accurate with a good sense of timing and he ran that offense very well while looking like garbage in a more traditional regular paced run first system.

Edited January 15, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[ellicottraven]

These pre-combine rankings will change after the combine and all I'm hoping for is that Tunsil and Bosa have sub-par combine performances so we are assured to get one of them.

[Sizzlebshu]

Kelly wants a qb-running system in the NFL so he clamored for Sam Bradford.. Makes sense.

Nick foles didn't do so well in Philly because hes a runner, he did well because he's accurate with a good sense of timing and he ran that offense very well while looking like garbage in a more traditional regular paced run first system.

Who did kelly pick for the job before Foles? Vick

Vick obv wasnt a better passer than Foles yet he won the job, more likely than not, becaise he was accurate enough and could run.

Kelly explained Bradford as well. The only two ways to get a good qb are to draft them or trade/sign them. They werent drafting high enough and couldnt trade up for mariota so they did the next best thing rather than go for another yr of foles and sanchez. It is not ideal, but it is an upgrade and im sure pat shumur had something to do with that upgrade

[JoeyFlex5]

Who did kelly pick for the job before Foles? Vick

Vick obv wasnt a better passer than Foles yet he won the job, more likely than not, becaise he was accurate enough and could run.

Kelly explained Bradford as well. The only two ways to get a good qb are to draft them or trade/sign them. They werent drafting high enough and couldnt trade up for mariota so they did the next best thing rather than go for another yr of foles and sanchez. It is not ideal, but it is an upgrade and im sure pat shumur had something to do with that upgrade

and Vick never came back as Kelly began to opt for one pocket passer after another. Foles, sanchez, bradford, barkley, while not even attempting to pursue a running qb.

[Cillmatic]

I see them sticking with Kap

[Drew P]

I see them sticking with Kap

 

No doubt, the key word being them and not Kelly.

 

They hired him to coach not as a GM.

[Sizzlebshu]

and Vick never came back as Kelly began to opt for one pocket passer after another. Foles, sanchez, bradford, barkley, while not even attempting to pursue a running qb.

A running QB was never made accessible to him. Seriously who did he have access to? Tyrod Taylor is probably the only one and even then he had no tape to really show that he could be anything more than a backup. 

 

Chip didn't have power in the 2013 draft so barkely was a Roseman pick. 

 

Vick had to screw up the job in glorious fashion to lose it. Multiple turnovers, drive stalling inaccuracy, and injury made him a liability as a pocket passer. 

Edited January 15, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[JoeyFlex5]

A running QB was never made accessible to him. Seriously who did he have access to? Tyrod Taylor is probably the only one and even then he had no tape to really show that he could be anything more than a backup.

Chip didn't have power in the 2013 draft so barkely was a Roseman pick.

Vick had to screw up the job in glorious fashion to lose it. Multiple turnovers, drive stalling inaccuracy, and injury made him a liability as a pocket passer.

and you just said it yourself, he was a liability as a passer. Mobility doesn't hurt in any system, but there is a difference between mobility and just running qbs. Obviously chips system benefits from a qb who can occasionally get up field when the defense gets caught up in the pace of it all, but his system gets confused for a read option-keeper offense far too often. His system is sort of like a blend of Seattle and new England but it too often gets confused for the rg3/kaepernick style read option offense where the qb throws second and runs from the read option first.

All I'm saying is that while mobility is always a plus, kaepernick isn't a fit, because if a qb can't function as a quick and efficient pocket passer then he won't function in that system, that is the top priority to effectively run it and then added mobility pushes it into the next level.

[Sizzlebshu]

and you just said it yourself, he was a liability as a passer. Mobility doesn't hurt in any system, but there is a difference between mobility and just running qbs. Obviously chips system benefits from a qb who can occasionally get up field when the defense gets caught up in the pace of it all, but his system gets confused for a read option-keeper offense far too often. His system is sort of like a blend of Seattle and new England but it too often gets confused for the rg3/kaepernick style read option offense where the qb throws second and runs from the read option first.

All I'm saying is that while mobility is always a plus, kaepernick isn't a fit, because if a qb can't function as a quick and efficient pocket passer then he won't function in that system, that is the top priority to effectively run it and then added mobility pushes it into the next level.

There is a middle ground between Russell Wilson (an ideal pocket passer with mobility) and Mike Vick (a complete liability). 

[Raven'evermore]

 Regarding Alexander, how might it effect his stock now that he's suffered 2 hamstring injuries?

[Sizzlebshu]

 Regarding Alexander, how might it effect his stock now that he's suffered 2 hamstring injuries?

Assuming there are no tears, it won't. 

[Raven'evermore]

Assuming there are no tears, it won't. 

 

 Thanks.

[JoeyFlex5]

There is a middle ground between Russell Wilson (an ideal pocket passer with mobility) and Mike Vick (a complete liability).

exactly lol, but you could also replace Vick with kaepernick in that sentence and it would be just as true. I'm saying that kaepernick is a horrible fit for Kellys system and goff appears to be ideal for it Although needing a bit of development to cut down on the errant throws. I don't think chip to SF means they're out of the qb race

[Wildabeast88]

exactly lol, but you could also replace Vick with kaepernick in that sentence and it would be just as true. I'm saying that kaepernick is a horrible fit for Kellys system and goff appears to be ideal for it Although needing a bit of development to cut down on the errant throws. I don't think chip to SF means they're out of the qb race

my thoughts I think Chip goes after Wentz he is kind of the best of both worlds athletic enough to run and ran quite a bit at ND St big arm can make the throws just my thought

[thieverycorporation]

Chips going with Kap and they not going to invest in another QB period. Chip is an experiment at best and if he doesn't pan out record wise then he maybe one and done. 24mil or not. The fans in San Fran are just as harsh as the NY fan.  He better come out smoking white hot and have little era's. It doesn't mean another team won't want first crack @ Wentz or Goff but I'm willing to wagger that Kap is his man. Reports surfaced that Cip actually wanted to coach him when entered the NFL scene. So the text candidate maybe the eagles because Bradford isn't the answer and never was. Unless they undo Chips recent purchases  they will need an up grade.

Edited January 16, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[thieverycorporation]

exactly lol, but you could also replace Vick with kaepernick in that sentence and it would be just as true. I'm saying that kaepernick is a horrible fit for Kellys system and goff appears to be ideal for it Although needing a bit of development to cut down on the errant throws. I don't think chip to SF means they're out of the qb race

I do Jf5. it's written on the wall. Check out the talking heads and what they project and why. I concur. I don't see any other reason to have brought him in. They believe Kap is unique and the future of the QB position. And he may well be. Haubaugh wasn't as imaginative so they want give it another go.

Edited January 16, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[JoeyFlex5]

I do Jf5. it's written on the wall. Check out the talking heads and what they project and why. I concur. I don't see any other reason to have brought him in. They believe Kap is unique and the future of the QB position. And he may well be. Haubaugh wasn't as imaginative so they want give it another go.

so just to clarify, your argument is "the media says X so X is true" ?

[thieverycorporation]

No my argument is what I stated. Chip wasn't brought in solely by chance. And it's quite obvious why. They have QB (KaP) that took them to a SB and nearly won it. Why would they re invest in an own un- Known QB when you want to utilize just about the same formula. I noticed your not convinced but the consensus says otherwise. Does it make it true. No.  What do have to offer that would refute the notion that the idea wouldn't be consistent with move to 49ers. The talking heads on the NFL.com/network do get inside information and report it daily.  I tend to believe what they report as opposed to leaning on my own understanding as what the terms and/or conditions maybe.

Does this clear it up for yah ! 

Edited January 16, 2016 by thieverycorporation