Who should we take at #6?

[Clmraven]

yeah i think Robinson may also be in play for dallas. Would be great for us. What if by some freak occurunce we have a shot at Tunsil, Buckner , bosa and ramsey. Who would be better for our team? And let's just say we have already resigned KO. Thoughts?

Man that'd be tough. I'd immediately rule out Ramsey, I think Ozzie would probably be between Bosa and Tunsil, but Buckner is just my favorite player and has been for too long to flip flop now lol.

It really scares me that Buckner is being projected in the top 3 in some drafts.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Clmraven

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not sure Buckner is better than Bosa. Buckner is extremely talented and has the best first step I've seen in this class but he tends to play tall and that's affected him. He's also better against the run atm than as a pass rusher, which is quite strange all things considered. He's a better prospect than all the other Oregon defensive players of late and may be the best since Ngata. I personally think he's good enough to play 5 tech or as the 4-3 weak side edge defender. I can't see him as an OLB but I wouldn't entirely rule out that possibility because he is athletic, but that seems like a stretch.

I honestly think he'll be gone before we're up and I think Bosa falls to us as long as Tennessee takes Tunsil, Cleveland takes a QB, and SD goes in another direction. SD, DAL, JAX are obviously our greatest threats, but I really got a feeling SD is the greatest threat. I think Dallas goes QB or secondary with their pick, and I think JAX is really likely to take one of Ramsey or Hargreaves with their pick, although maybe they do take Stanley I'm not bring it though).

[BSHU_Miami]

nah, i think buckners a much better player honestly. higher upside, higher floor, more versatile, more physically dominant, better motor, better first step even though he outsizes him by about 20 lbs, bullrush is equal, i think buckner knifes through interior gaps much better, and i think he can fill 2 roles one being the dominant edge man we desperately lack, and the other role being that 3-4DE that we are currently settling for with canty and guy rotating. 

 

the idea of clarence brooks coaching buckner has me more excited than the idea of any other prospect here.

do you like the idea of harbaugh "working him in" then playing limited snaps by week 14 then Clarence Brooks leaving next year while we retain Dean Pees?

Sorry.... I'm still upset

[PurpleCity5]

I'm not sure Buckner is better than Bosa. Buckner is extremely talented and has the best first step I've seen in this class but he tends to play tall and that's affected him. He's also better against the run atm than as a pass rusher, which is quite strange all things considered. He's a better prospect than all the other Oregon defensive players of late and may be the best since Ngata. I personally think he's good enough to play 5 tech or as the 4-3 weak side edge defender. I can't see him as an OLB but I wouldn't entirely rule out that possibility because he is athletic, but that seems like a stretch.

I honestly think he'll be gone before we're up and I think Bosa falls to us as long as Tennessee takes Tunsil, Cleveland takes a QB, and SD goes in another direction. SD, DAL, JAX are obviously our greatest threats, but I really got a feeling SD is the greatest threat. I think Dallas goes QB or secondary with their pick, and I think JAX is really likely to take one of Ramsey or Hargreaves with their pick, although maybe they do take Stanley I'm not bring it though).

I personally look at Dallas as the biggest threat for Bosa. Granted San Diego picks before them but Dallas looks like they are letting go of Greg Hardy so they could use another DE. Granted they could rely on DeMarcus Lawrence and Randy Gregory to fill in those spots but he seems like a Jerry Jones pick though they have been unpredictable as of late. 

[JoeyFlex5]

do you like the idea of harbaugh "working him in" then playing limited snaps by week 14 then Clarence Brooks leaving next year while we retain Dean Pees?

Sorry.... I'm still upset

buckner isnt a matt elam or terrence brooks, he wouldnt be worked in lol. also brooks has made it clear he is happy with his job as it stands right now and has little to no desire to move up, some folks just prefer to coach the game instead of call the game.

[January J]

Horrible horrible news for us. Chip Kelly has been hired by the 49ers. Kaepernick seems to be a perfect fit for the style of offense he wants to run. Not only will that mean they won't be interested in trading up, all other teams interested will just wait for their guy to fall or jump in front of another team. Even if they don't move on with kap- chip will be reluctant to make any crazy trades in the draft that will possibly backfire after what happened in philly. Not good. Maybe I'm overreacting but I think we can kiss our trade back option goodbye. Not the end of the world though - and May even be a blessing in disguise. I might have rather stayed at 6 anyway if we have a shot at a true playmaker. We will see what happens.

[GrimCoconut]

I personally look at Dallas as the biggest threat for Bosa. Granted San Diego picks before them but Dallas looks like they are letting go of Greg Hardy so they could use another DE. Granted they could rely on DeMarcus Lawrence and Randy Gregory to fill in those spots but he seems like a Jerry Jones pick though they have been unpredictable as of late.

I think Dallas is more likely to take Buckner if he's around or Hargreaves, Ramsey, or a QB but I can see them select Bosa without a doubt. They're definitely a threat. If I ranked them, it would go like this:

1. San Diego

2. Cowboys

3. Jaguars

4. Titans

5. Browns

That's as of this time, though.

[GrimCoconut]

Horrible horrible news for us. Chip Kelly has been hired by the 49ers. Kaepernick seems to be a perfect fit for the style of offense he wants to run. Not only will that mean they won't be interested in trading up, all other teams interested will just wait for their guy to fall or jump in front of another team. Even if they don't move on with kap- chip will be reluctant to make any crazy trades in the draft that will possibly backfire after what happened in philly. Not good. Maybe I'm overreacting but I think we can kiss our trade back option goodbye. Not the end of the world though - and May even be a blessing in disguise. I might have rather stayed at 6 anyway if we have a shot at a true playmaker. We will see what happens.

I think it's neither here nor there. He's not going to have control like he did in PHI. The GM may still want a QB so they can dump the Kap contract to save cap.

Hey! Look at that rhyme!

Edited January 14, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[January J]

I think it's neither here nor there. He's not going to have control like he did in PHI. The GM may still want a QB so they can dump the Kap contract to save cap.

Hey! Look at that rhyme!

dang, internal rhymes and everything. All you need is some metas and multis and you'd be doin somethin!

[Deflated Football]

I'd rather have Treadwell over a defensive guy at 6. Look at what Trestman did with Alshon and Marshall in Chicago. Tread could be a special player here paired with Breshad. I don't trust Pees at all to make the most of his shiny new toy.

[PurpleCity5]

I think Dallas is more likely to take Buckner if he's around or Hargreaves, Ramsey, or a QB but I can see them select Bosa without a doubt. They're definitely a threat. If I ranked them, it would go like this:

1. San Diego

2. Cowboys

3. Jaguars

4. Titans

5. Browns

That's as of this time, though.

I personally think they need help on the inside of their DL, specifically at DT since Nick Hayden is pretty awful I hear. I could absolutely see Buckner going there, they could use someone of his caliber. Kipler mocked him to Dallas, not that it means something but it shows you are not alone. If I had to put money on it I'd say there is a good chance he goes into the top 5. They could also go for a QB. They could even trade down. There is almost always a surprise pick in the top 5. 

 

It wouldn't shock me if it went...

 

Titans: Tunsil

Browns: Goff

Chargers: Stanley

Cowboys: Buckner--Rams: Lynch

Jags: Ramsey 

Edited January 14, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Sizzlebshu]

Horrible horrible news for us. Sizzle was right!!!.

Couldnt resist

[JoeyFlex5]

Horrible horrible news for us. Chip Kelly has been hired by the 49ers. Kaepernick seems to be a perfect fit for the style of offense he wants to run. Not only will that mean they won't be interested in trading up, all other teams interested will just wait for their guy to fall or jump in front of another team. Even if they don't move on with kap- chip will be reluctant to make any crazy trades in the draft that will possibly backfire after what happened in philly. Not good. Maybe I'm overreacting but I think we can kiss our trade back option goodbye. Not the end of the world though - and May even be a blessing in disguise. I might have rather stayed at 6 anyway if we have a shot at a true playmaker. We will see what happens.

what makes you say kaep is perfect for his offense? kelly doesnt run a "rollout and take off downfield" offense, he knows this isnt college, his system is based on quick progressions and quick releases and not overthinking it, kaepernick may be the worst fit possible lol. i mean sure he could revert to his mariota oregon playbook but he wouldnt last long running that

[Clmraven]

I'd rather have Treadwell over a defensive guy at 6. Look at what Trestman did with Alshon and Marshall in Chicago. Tread could be a special player here paired with Breshad. I don't trust Pees at all to make the most of his shiny new toy.

For all that offense did, trestman still only won 13 games in 2 seasons cause the defense was so awful. We could draft 5 Treadwell's but I don't think it would help much if we're giving up 30 points a game.

[Clmraven]

what makes you say kaep is perfect for his offense? kelly doesnt run a "rollout and take off downfield" offense, he knows this isnt college, his system is based on quick progressions and quick releases and not overthinking it, kaepernick may be the worst fit possible lol. i mean sure he could revert to his mariota oregon playbook but he wouldnt last long running that

Yea I agree I don't think Kaep is that great a fit, I could see him making a move for Goff if he really wanted to move on from Kaep.

Also with Kelly being hired it probably kills my idea that Torrey could be one and done in SF, he seems like a really good fit scheme and personality wise.

[allblackraven]

For all that offense did, trestman still only won 13 games in 2 seasons cause the defense was so awful. We could draft 5 Treadwell's but I don't think it would help much if we're giving up 30 points a game.

It could help if each of the 5 Treadwells scores a TD per game and Tucker adds at least one conversion!

 

I'll sit in the corner now....

[Clmraven]

It could help if each of the 5 Treadwells scores a TD per game and Tucker adds at least one conversion!

 

I'll sit in the corner now....

True but Flacco would still have to throw 5 TDs a game and I think he's only done that once lol.

[Wildabeast88]

Just a thought I think CHip Kelly could go with Wentz he ran a lot at ND ST is underrated as an athlete plus he Is big with a big arm just a thought

[allblackraven]

True but Flacco would still have to throw 5 TDs a game and I think he's only done that once lol.

That was before, when Joe didn't have any weapons.

[Clmraven]

That was before, when Joe didn't have any weapons.

if we're really getting technical it was 2014, our best offense in team history with more than a few good weapons, and even then Joe only had 2 games with 3 or more Td Passes, Even if we drafted Treadwell Joe still has to get him the ball and well frankly Joe has never been a great red zone QB.

[JoeyFlex5]

True but Flacco would still have to throw 5 TDs a game and I think he's only done that once lol.

hes never had 5 treadwells either bro

[Clmraven]

hes never had 5 treadwells either bro

Well to be honest i dont think anyone has ever had 5 Treadwell's and some of the QBs do just fine.

[gooftroop]

All of this is assuming the Titans don't trade the #1 pick. Is there somebody out there willing to trade up to get ahead of Cleveland at #2 to take Goff or Lynch?

[PolishRifle]

True but Flacco would still have to throw 5 TDs a game and I think he's only done that once lol.

 

He HAS to score 5 TDs? Just because we draft a go-to WR, we suddenly don't try to run it in at all?

[usmccharles]

For all that offense did, trestman still only won 13 games in 2 seasons cause the defense was so awful. We could draft 5 Treadwell's but I don't think it would help much if we're giving up 30 points a game.

the Bears are also a lot of that worse than we are/were

[BSHU_Miami]

I'd rather have Treadwell over a defensive guy at 6. Look at what Trestman did with Alshon and Marshall in Chicago. Tread could be a special player here paired with Breshad. I don't trust Pees at all to make the most of his shiny new toy.

i agree with this. If Treadwell is there you take him.

[52520Andrew]

Couldnt resist

Yeah looking like you are right on this one. I think we are stuck at 6 now but oh well. Just gotta hope we don't miss.

[Winchester]

For all that offense did, trestman still only won 13 games in 2 seasons cause the defense was so awful. We could draft 5 Treadwell's but I don't think it would help much if we're giving up 30 points a game.

If your offense can not score 30 or more in any given game then there is no chance of a championship. With the rule changes even the best defenses are scored on routinely. Arizone,Seattle,cinci,broncos have all been in games that required around 30 points or so to win. It is the modern NFL and it is the way the league and its biggest sponsors want it!! Besides ravens are closer to an elite offense than defense. With an overpowering OLine and could be the best in the league, and talented receivers returning,young TEs including Maxx who is working to get in in shape and will return far stronger and more explosive,ravens are a #one go to receiver from a very prolific offense with real potential to be the best in the league. Not to mention with such a violent bruising OLine, once the ravens front weapons to spread out the defense, the OLine and running game could really hit some big plays consistently.

Edited January 15, 2016 by Winchester

[Italian Raven]

If your offense can not score 30 or more in any given game then there is no chance of a championship. With the rule changes even the best defenses are scored on routinely. Arizone,Seattle,cinci,broncos have all been in games that required around 30 points or so to win. It is the modern NFL and it is the way the league and its biggest sponsors want it!! Besides ravens are closer to an elite offense than defense. With an overpowering OLine and could be the best in the league, and talented receivers returning,young TEs including Maxx who is working to get in in shape and will return far stronger and more explosive,ravens are a #one go to receiver from a very prolific offense with real potential to be the best in the league. Not to mention with such a violent bruising OLine, once the ravens front weapons to spread out the defense, the OLine and running game could really hit some big plays consistently.

I don't agree on this one.

I don't like to talk about stats because they only tend to give a partial picture of a situation, but in this case they're necessary.

-There's a strict correlation between teams who entered the playoffs and their run-D ranking (8 of 12 teams rank in the top10):

#1 SEA, #3 DEN, #4 CAR, #5 PIT, #6 ARI, #7 CIN, #8 KC, #10 HOU. The only one ranking in the 'bottom 10' is WAS at 27#

These teams also rank (similarly) in the top ten for PPG allowed..:

#1SEA, #2 CIN, #3 KC, #4 DEN, #5 MIN, #6 CAR, #7 ARI, #8 HOU (8/12 in the top10 again, with WAS being the lowest at #17, which says a lot)

and for Takeaways:

#1 CAR, #2 ARI, #3 PIT, #5KC, #6 CIN, #7 DEN, #9 WAS (7/12 in the top 10 and only NE in the 'bottom 10)

-If we want to look at it offensively results are quite different:

It's TRUE that these teams score a lot:

PPG

#1 CAR, 2 #ARI, 3 #NE, #4 PIT, #5 SEA , #7 CIN, #9 KC, #10 WAS (8/12) 

BUT the YPG tells a different story

#1 ARI, #3 PIT, #4 SEA, #6 NE (4/12 against 3/12; #29 MIN, #27KC, #23 GB)

 

This shows, at least partially, how important the D is when turning the ball over or giving their O a good field position to start the next drive.

Without a dominant defensive performance a team has to gain more yards and is more likely to score FG rather than TD, hence less PPG.

[JoeyFlex5]

i really have to figure this out.... when did chip kellys system suddenly become about running qb's? hes not in oregon anymore nor does he call a RG3 offense, he may be bad when trying to play GM but the dude is no dummy when it comes to calling a game, he knows that he cant use his oregon playbook in the NFL.