Who should we take at #6?

[DomMcRaven]

Remember people, let's not get too excited over someone. I don't want to see the heartbreak lol. 

[allblackraven]

on a different note though... i changed my vote to deforest buckner, im now convinced hes a big part of what we need up front, hes an absolutely dominant defender and very versatile, he makes light work of any OL he faces, he has a wicked first step and is a mountain of a man, eyes up the pass well to get good swats, diagnoses the backfield well, chases down plays, puts a hurting on ballcarriers, could bring incredible pass rush up the middle or on the edge, would never see less than 2 blockers and would make the play on the rare occasion that he does, i would be giddy to see what kind of monster clarence brooks could create with buckner. a pass rusher is not what this defense needs, it needs a 3 down dominant defender, i think buckner is the kind of guy to take the reins from suggs as the face of the defense.

You might be onto something here with Buckner and what we actually need on our D. However, after watching more of him lately, I'm starting to think he might be out of our reach at #6. Prospects slid down the list before but I just don't see any reason why would that happen to him. He's so dominant in all sorts of different ways that it just isn't funny. I don't think Bosa has anything on him.

[JoeyFlex5]

You might be onto something here with Buckner and what we actually need on our D. However, after watching more of him lately, I'm starting to think he might be out of our reach at #6. Prospects slid down the list before but I just don't see any reason why would that happen to him. He's so dominant in all sorts of different ways that it just isn't funny. I don't think Bosa has anything on him.

yeah he could be a top 5 guy and in my opinion he could make a case for top player, I think it's between him and tunsil.. However, high drafting teams tend to love speed which he doesn't have much of, so I think that plays in our favor

[Clmraven]

many also have him in the 2nd round, which is where he deserves to be, if not higher. 

 

on a different note though... i changed my vote to deforest buckner, im now convinced hes a big part of what we need up front, hes an absolutely dominant defender and very versatile, he makes light work of any OL he faces, he has a wicked first step and is a mountain of a man, eyes up the pass well to get good swats, diagnoses the backfield well, chases down plays, puts a hurting on ballcarriers, could bring incredible pass rush up the middle or on the edge, would never see less than 2 blockers and would make the play on the rare occasion that he does, i would be giddy to see what kind of monster clarence brooks could create with buckner. a pass rusher is not what this defense needs, it needs a 3 down dominant defender, i think buckner is the kind of guy to take the reins from suggs as the face of the defense.

Another thing I like a lot about him is he rarely takes snaps off, obviously Ravens like to use a rotation but I think Buckner(if we ever needed him to) could be like Watt in the way that he played 96% of the plays which is just unheard of for Dlineman.

[RavensFanMania]

Another thing I like a lot about him is he rarely takes snaps off, obviously Ravens like to use a rotation but I think Buckner(if we ever needed him to) could be like Watt in the way that he played 96% of the plays which is just unheard of for Dlineman.

I have to admit I haven't watched his tape yet.  Could you tell me if he fits in our two gap base?

[Gordo52]

Don't see the Treadwell hype...Don't want him at 6. Doesn't jump out as that special to me.

[Clmraven]

I have to admit I haven't watched his tape yet.  Could you tell me if he fits in our two gap base?

I think he's versatile enough to fit in any defense but he's a really good fit for our defense specifically. He can penetrate and get in the back field with ease, but that Oregon defense had him stack and shed at the line vs the run a lot which is probably what he'd be asked to do here, he's good at looking thru Olinemen and staying patient, and I think he's strong enough to take on double teams to keep our LBs clean.

[JoeyFlex5]

I have to admit I haven't watched his tape yet. Could you tell me if he fits in our two gap base?

he's a scheme diverse 3 down guy. He is a rare breed, he can anchor inside or out, hold down 2 gaps and maintain gap integrity and penetrate with ease once he diagnoses the play, Chase down the backside, and he can do this from DE and DT. against the pass he can beat a tackle on an island with a great combination of power and speed, he can use his great jump and long forceful body to force his way through interior gaps quickly and with authority.

He's a next gen lineman, I don't know if we've seen a guy like him yet, he favors watt much more than bosa but if he has 3/4 of that work ethic than he has a Reggie white type of ceiling... Sorry if I'm raving but I think very very highly of buckner after looking extensively into his film. Kid looks special

[Clmraven]

he's a scheme diverse 3 down guy. He is a rare breed, he can anchor inside or out, hold down 2 gaps and maintain gap integrity and penetrate with ease once he diagnoses the play, Chase down the backside, and he can do this from DE and DT. against the pass he can beat a tackle on an island with a great combination of power and speed, he can use his great jump and long forceful body to force his way through interior gaps quickly and with authority.

He's a next gen lineman, I don't know if we've seen a guy like him yet, he favors watt much more than bosa but if he has 3/4 of that work ethic than he has a Reggie white type of ceiling... Sorry if I'm raving but I think very very highly of buckner after looking extensively into his film. Kid looks special

Man I'd rave about him right there with you, glad I'm not one of the only people freaking out about him now.

[ravensnation5220]

this. I would absolutely soil myself if we got say a buckner at 6th and traded up for a Floyd in the late 20s.

If we took a guy like hargreaves or Ramsey at 6th and a guy like ngakoue at 37th overall if he happy as well, but I would hope pees knows how to use Ramsey

Hey remember how you said walter football has a knack fro predicting our picks....well they just put up another and had us pick treadwell furst and mackensie alexander in the second. Boy oh boy if and only if that could happen.....it would be the best thing to ever happen lol i would be jumping off the walls as ig we won the superbowl haha

[January J]

You might be onto something here with Buckner and what we actually need on our D. However, after watching more of him lately, I'm starting to think he might be out of our reach at #6. Prospects slid down the list before but I just don't see any reason why would that happen to him. He's so dominant in all sorts of different ways that it just isn't funny. I don't think Bosa has anything on him.

  

yeah he could be a top 5 guy and in my opinion he could make a case for top player, I think it's between him and tunsil.. However, high drafting teams tend to love speed which he doesn't have much of, so I think that plays in our favor

well one of these guys is going to fall to us- they can't all be top 5 picks..esp not if the browns take a qb.

Tunsil , bosa, Stanley, buckner, Ramsey...take your pick.

[JoeyFlex5]

Hey remember how you said walter football has a knack fro predicting our picks....well they just put up another and had us pick treadwell furst and mackensie alexander in the second. Boy oh boy if and only if that could happen.....it would be the best thing to ever happen lol i would be jumping off the walls as ig we won the superbowl haha

I doubt Alexander falls like that. Dude was a legit top 20 guy and had a Hell of a championship game

[JoeyFlex5]

well one of these guys is going to fall to us- they can't all be top 5 picks..esp not if the browns take a qb.

Tunsil , bosa, Stanley, buckner, Ramsey...take your pick.

from those 5 it's between tunsil and buckner 100%

[Sizzlebshu]

Jack is #1 on norris's big board with coleman as #3. Interesting

Noah spence at 13 due to character concerns.

Calling it now. Jack at 6

Edited January 14, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[Sizzlebshu]

Link for everyone

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/59648/325/nfl-draft-rankings-big-board

[RavensFanMania]

Jack is #1 on norris's big board with coleman as #3. Interesting

Noah spence at 13 due to character concerns.

Calling it now. Jack at 6

Don't think we will draft Jack, but he is a hell of a player. 

[GrimCoconut]

Jack is a Hell of a player. I know we don't need an ILB but we could certainly use a LB with his coverage skills.

[Sizzlebshu]

Jack is a Hell of a player. I know we don't need an ILB but we could certainly use a LB with his coverage skills.

We actually do need an ilb unless you expect smith to play forever.

This seems like a typical ozzie bpa pick to me, bit i want to see what he shows up to the combine with in terms of ht/wt

[nishadrahman13]

many also have him in the 2nd round, which is where he deserves to be, if not higher. 

 

he has possibly the best first step in this draft class,  and is very refined as a pass rusher, he wins in so many ways, has great athleticism but will probably show a lack of top end speed at the combine, and he is a soft tackler in the run game, those are literally his only weaknesses and he is an absolute stud everywhere else. i have never seen one prospect get so undervalued. 

 

my personal favorite thing about ngakoue, is that you see his numbers, and then he has the tape to back it up, and in the midst of evaluation you realize the situation in which he is doing all of this... playing against big 10 offenses with NFL caliber LT's and pro systems featuring workhorse running backs, on a garbage team always playing from behind... and the dude is 2nd in the nation in sacks. thats like paul kruger leading the nfl in sacks in cleveland playing against playoff teams for 12 weeks of the season. its unheard of. 

 

on a different note though... i changed my vote to deforest buckner, im now convinced hes a big part of what we need up front, hes an absolutely dominant defender and very versatile, he makes light work of any OL he faces, he has a wicked first step and is a mountain of a man, eyes up the pass well to get good swats, diagnoses the backfield well, chases down plays, puts a hurting on ballcarriers, could bring incredible pass rush up the middle or on the edge, would never see less than 2 blockers and would make the play on the rare occasion that he does, i would be giddy to see what kind of monster clarence brooks could create with buckner. a pass rusher is not what this defense needs, it needs a 3 down dominant defender, i think buckner is the kind of guy to take the reins from suggs as the face of the defense.

many also have him in the 2nd round, which is where he deserves to be, if not higher. 

 

he has possibly the best first step in this draft class,  and is very refined as a pass rusher, he wins in so many ways, has great athleticism but will probably show a lack of top end speed at the combine, and he is a soft tackler in the run game, those are literally his only weaknesses and he is an absolute stud everywhere else. i have never seen one prospect get so undervalued. 

 

my personal favorite thing about ngakoue, is that you see his numbers, and then he has the tape to back it up, and in the midst of evaluation you realize the situation in which he is doing all of this... playing against big 10 offenses with NFL caliber LT's and pro systems featuring workhorse running backs, on a garbage team always playing from behind... and the dude is 2nd in the nation in sacks. thats like paul kruger leading the nfl in sacks in cleveland playing against playoff teams for 12 weeks of the season. its unheard of. 

 

on a different note though... i changed my vote to deforest buckner, im now convinced hes a big part of what we need up front, hes an absolutely dominant defender and very versatile, he makes light work of any OL he faces, he has a wicked first step and is a mountain of a man, eyes up the pass well to get good swats, diagnoses the backfield well, chases down plays, puts a hurting on ballcarriers, could bring incredible pass rush up the middle or on the edge, would never see less than 2 blockers and would make the play on the rare occasion that he does, i would be giddy to see what kind of monster clarence brooks could create with buckner. a pass rusher is not what this defense needs, it needs a 3 down dominant defender, i think buckner is the kind of guy to take the reins from suggs as the face of the defense.

My dream draft has now become Buckner in the first and Yannick in the second. Although as awareness grows, I think Buckner will jump way out of our range. He is as good or better as a prospect than Bosa and has far less red flags. He is my No. 1 prospect, with Tunsil at 2 and Bosa at 3.

[January J]

from those 5 it's between tunsil and buckner 100%

so you've got Buckner over bosa now? or is that just bc he's more likely to fall to us?

[January J]

Remember people, let's not get too excited over someone. I don't want to see the heartbreak lol.

this is the first time in a long time I think it will be impossible to be heartbroken. We're at pick 6..we're coming away with a game changer regardless.

[JoeyFlex5]

so you've got Buckner over bosa now? or is that just bc he's more likely to fall to us?

nah, i think buckners a much better player honestly. higher upside, higher floor, more versatile, more physically dominant, better motor, better first step even though he outsizes him by about 20 lbs, bullrush is equal, i think buckner knifes through interior gaps much better, and i think he can fill 2 roles one being the dominant edge man we desperately lack, and the other role being that 3-4DE that we are currently settling for with canty and guy rotating. 

 

the idea of clarence brooks coaching buckner has me more excited than the idea of any other prospect here. 

[gooftroop]

I think Tunsil being around at #6 is a pipe dream. I like Jack a lot maybe he's around if we trade down. I know it's not a popular opinion but I like Lawson, too. Not at #6, of course, but later.

[Italian Raven]

In all honesty, in this moment I rank Buckner higher than any other player.
He's dominant either squeezing in A/B or using his arms to push the opponent and controlling two gaps.
His very long arms which paired with such quickness and strenght will give you a 100% effective player both in run support and rushing the passer.

I can't wait for the FA to unfold, so that we can have a better picture of what teams ahead of us are planning to do with their early picks.

[January J]

nah, i think buckners a much better player honestly. higher upside, higher floor, more versatile, more physically dominant, better motor, better first step even though he outsizes him by about 20 lbs, bullrush is equal, i think buckner knifes through interior gaps much better, and i think he can fill 2 roles one being the dominant edge man we desperately lack, and the other role being that 3-4DE that we are currently settling for with canty and guy rotating. 

 

the idea of clarence brooks coaching buckner has me more excited than the idea of any other prospect here.

I actually liked Buckner more than bosa too but I thought I was crazy. Good to know I'm not the only one. What are the odds of him falling to us do you think? Better or worse than bosa? I think it could go either way. Right now I'm think in

1) Tunsil

2) Goff

3) Stanley

4) Bosa

5)Ramsey

In this case we either take Buckner and run with it or attempt to trade back and take Treadwell or Alexander.

[Clmraven]

Im kinda hoping Robinson declares and lights up the combine, so he goes top 5 and leaves us Buckner. Deforest has been my favorite player in the draft for months now, but my only concern with him is would Pees make the most of him? Im afraid Pees would just use him to eat up blocks to clear our LBs for Blitzes and 1 on 1s on the outside.

[JoeyFlex5]

I actually liked Buckner more than bosa too but I thought I was crazy. Good to know I'm not the only one. What are the odds of him falling to us do you think? Better or worse than bosa? I think it could go either way. Right now I'm think in

1) Tunsil

2) Goff

3) Stanley

4) Bosa

5)Ramsey

In this case we either take Buckner and run with it or attempt to trade back and take Treadwell or Alexander.

i think bosa goes before buckner simply because hes probably a more ideal pass rusher while a 5 tech doesnt typically hold the same value. however if buckner can destroy the combine i think he goes top 3. 

[January J]

Im kinda hoping Robinson declares and lights up the combine, so he goes top 5 and leaves us Buckner. Deforest has been my favorite player in the draft for months now, but my only concern with him is would Pees make the most of him? Im afraid Pees would just use him to eat up blocks to clear our LBs for Blitzes and 1 on 1s on the outside.

yeah i think Robinson may also be in play for dallas. Would be great for us. What if by some freak occurunce we have a shot at Tunsil, Buckner , bosa and ramsey. Who would be better for our team? And let's just say we have already resigned KO. Thoughts?

[JoeyFlex5]

yeah i think Robinson may also be in play for dallas. Would be great for us. What if by some freak occurunce we have a shot at Tunsil, Buckner , bosa and ramsey. Who would be better for our team? And let's just say we have already resigned KO. Thoughts?

i actually just posted a full first round mock where dallas takes robinson lol. they desperately need some nastiness on the interior and robinson is the ideal DT for both marinelli and dallas's needs.

[dpatrickguy]

A fun thing to do is go back and search for mocks from last year in January and see what the top 10 was looking like. A lot of sure things, i.e. Winston #1, but there were also a number of things that no one saw coming. Worth checking out.

Edited January 14, 2016 by dpatrickguy