Who should we take at #6?

[Sizzlebshu]

I looked at it today and thought the same thing. I think it's possible. I recall someone posting a rumor about teams not seeing Bosa as a top pick or something not long ago. It could happen. Star Lotulelei was considered a terrific prospect and he fell hard. He was widely viewed as the top prospect all year and then dropped hard on draft day.

Think star had a heart condition show up at the combine.

Guessing the mock had the browns taking lynch at 2?

[Sizzlebshu]

He had some heart problem or whatever come out which I think played a large part in his fall. Still, Leonard Williams

Eh idt williams was too much of a fall. Sure you can argue fowler, but the jags needed esge over interior

[GrimCoconut]

Think star had a heart condition show up at the combine.

Guessing the mock had the browns taking lynch at 2?

Yeah he did. And yes, pretty sure it was Lynch.

[usmccharles]

It's going to be funny to watch how much things change after the combine

Edited January 11, 2016 by usmccharles

[Sizzlebshu]

Yeah he did. And yes, pretty sure it was Lynch.

This is why i cant buy a qb in the top 5

Scouts agree lynch is the better prospect but someone will take goff higher. Contridiction much?

[GrimCoconut]

This is why i cant buy a qb in the top 5

Scouts agree lynch is the better prospect but someone will take goff higher. Contridiction much?

Huh? That scenario has Lynch going second overall to the Browns and ahead of Goff.

[Sizzlebshu]

Huh? That scenario has Lynch going second overall to the Browns and ahead of Goff.

Most scouts don't think Lynch is worth at top 5 pick as he is now because he may have to sit before he can play. Lynch as a prospect isn't good enough to go that high imo as well. Too many flaws in his game (altho I like his body of work). 

 

It's basically a paradox. Scouts think Lynch is the better prospect. However, Scouts believe Goff will go before Lynch (likely because he is a better QB in terms of skill not talent). 

Edited January 11, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[ravefan52]

I really hope Drafttek's latest mock is how things shake out and we get Bosa at 6, but I'd be staggered if Dallas took Goff at 4 and the Chargers took VH3 at 3.

I could possibly see Bosa available at 6. I don't know if the Jaguars would pass him up though. Even with Fowler and Odrick on the edges, he would be a perfect fit in that Michael Bennett role in Bradley's defense.

[Inqui]

I could possibly see Bosa available at 6. I don't know if the Jaguars would pass him up though. Even with Fowler and Odrick on the edges, he would be a perfect fit in that Michael Bennett role in Bradley's defense.

Yeah, I could probably do 10-20 mocks where he lands at 6 and none of the top five picks would be wildly unreasonable. But I agree that the Jags are definitely a dark horse side to take him before us. As much as they need secondary help, I could easily see them taking him as the BPA. Hopefully he tanks the combine while the likes of Buckner and Ramsey light it up.

[52520Andrew]

Eh idt williams was too much of a fall. Sure you can argue fowler, but the jags needed esge over interior

 

I don't think most people saw him going to 6, was a pretty can't miss prospect to me. Washington took your favorite lineman in Scherff over him

[Sizzlebshu]

I don't think most people saw him going to 6, was a pretty can't miss prospect to me. Washington took your favorite lineman in Scherff over him

meh. Collins got screwed. Otherwise he woulda been picked over Scherff

 

I mean iirc

 

Bucs - QB

Titans - QB

Jags - Fowler

Raiders - Cooper (they signed d line in FA and needed offense desperately)

Washington - Signed Knighton, Hatcher etc... same deal as the raiders. 

Edited January 11, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[52520Andrew]

meh. Collins got screwed. Otherwise he woulda been picked over Scherff

 

I mean iirc

 

Bucs - QB

Titans - QB

Jags - Fowler

Raiders - Cooper (they signed d line in FA and needed offense desperately)

Washington - Signed Knighton, Hatcher etc... same deal as the raiders. 

 

I had Collins as a more early teens guy and even if he didn't have that situation I am taking Leonard Williams over him as well. The Raiders took Mario Edwards in the early second although Cooper was a good pick for them. 

[Sizzlebshu]

I had Collins as a more early teens guy and even if he didn't have that situation I am taking Leonard Williams over him as well. The Raiders took Mario Edwards in the early second although Cooper was a good pick for them. 

They had him play DE/OLB so theres a bit more versatility there than a guy who is basically solely a 5T in that scheme. 

[JoeyFlex5]

With Alabama winning the ship, and Ozzie being a fan of drafting champs... What are the odds of us taking Robinson? As good of a player as he is, I just don't want another DT

[usmccharles]

With Alabama winning the ship, and Ozzie being a fan of drafting champs... What are the odds of us taking Robinson? As good of a player as he is, I just don't want another DT

I dont know much about him, care to give your opinions?

[FastEddie]

Updated my vote to Laquon Treadwell.

[RavensFanMania]

meh. Collins got screwed. Otherwise he woulda been picked over Scherff

 

I mean iirc

 

Bucs - QB

Titans - QB

Jags - Fowler

Raiders - Cooper (they signed d line in FA and needed offense desperately)

Washington - Signed Knighton, Hatcher etc... same deal as the raiders. 

nope, skins were going Scherff all the way if they were to take him at 5.  They had a ton of interest in them and I knew there was a good chance they take him over Williams and that's what happened.  I still didn't think they would draft Scherff at that point.   That being said, I think Collins is a very good player and the Cowboys got a good one.

 

BTW, the skins signed Hatcher in the 2014 offseason, not 2015.  They did sign other DL players in the 2015 offseason besides Knighton though, so I get your point. 

Edited January 12, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[JoeyFlex5]

I dont know much about him, care to give your opinions?

Jernigan meets wilfork. Hell of a dt, high characyer, athletic, but we already have a logjam of players like him and to many holes elsewhere to spend a 6th overall on him.

[RavensFanMania]

Jernigan meets wilfork. Hell of a dt, high characyer, athletic, but we already have a logjam of players like him and to many holes elsewhere to spend a 6th overall on him.

agree, would much rather draft Bosa, VH3, Treadwell, Tunsil or Stanley, in no particular, order over him.

Edited January 12, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[GrimCoconut]

I love Robinson but I think Ozzie passes due to need at other positions. While he doesn't draft for the fans, I'm sure he realizes just like Steve does that drafting another DL high means you're likely pushing down CB, WR, pass rusher, and OL. The contract of a top 6 pick will then cause us to have a lot of money invested in their DL soon with Williams.

Edited January 12, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[January J]

With Alabama winning the ship, and Ozzie being a fan of drafting champs... What are the odds of us taking Robinson? As good of a player as he is, I just don't want another DT

I don't either ...but dude does look like a wilderbeast.

[RavensDieHard21]

I voted Alexander because I've watched Clemson all year and have seen how good he is. He's a physical corner with great blanketing abilities and the scary thing is that he is only scratching the surface of his potential. Pair him up with Jimmy and we will be looking pretty good.

A second option at #6 is certainly Treadwell, simply because he is the clear cut best receiver and his play making ability would make our offense dynamic immediately. I'd be happy with either pick.

[RavensDieHard21]

I think the question of who falls to us in the second is an exciting mystery. Post combine we never know who will slide. I think we need to nail a game changer with our first whether it be Treadwell, Alexander, Bosa, or Lawson and follow up with taking a first rd talent in the second. I see Leonard Floyd, due to his size, sliding to the second and that would be a dream. His explosiveness and pure pass rush abilities are phenomenal. If he realistically added 10lbs, he could be a dominant edge rusher used in an Elvis dumervil like role in the future.

[Clmraven]

The more i think about it, the less I want Treadwell at 6, it's not him as a prospect I just still don't think he's great value this high. I think there is some decent receivers in round 2 and 3. Hargreaves still seems to be my guy everyone is freaking out about his last few games but to me he's still the most technically sound corner to come out in years, when you compare VH3 and Treadwell, Hargreaves is still the best corner prospect in years whereas Treadwell would be behind Cooper Watkins Evans OBJ Julio Aj Green and even Justin Blackmon IMO. Really the only argument I've ever heard for Hargreaves is his size and these last few games where he wasn't great but still only gave up 1 touchdown all year.

[Boddiebroadus]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2605368-br-cfb-250-top-250-overall-players-in-college-football

Pretty interesting to see where some players rank. Ranks all college players not just draft prospects.

[Raven'evermore]

 What are the chances of trading up to take Robinson after taking the 6th pick.  As I understand it, the reason we went from 22nd in passing D to 6th was because we pulled the Lbs back more often to help against the pass.  The problem was that this hurt the run defense.  Putting Robinson in the mix with Jernnigan and Williams might give us a top 5 defense if we continue this way (imo).  The question is what would we have to give up for it and would he even still be available?  I've seen him mocked at 6th to 15th pick. 

[January J]

What are the chances of trading up to take Robinson after taking the 6th pick.  As I understand it, the reason we went from 22nd in passing D to 6th was because we pulled the Lbs back more often to help against the pass.  The problem was that this hurt the run defense.  Putting Robinson in the mix with Jernnigan and Williams might give us a top 5 defense if we continue this way (imo).  The question is what would we have to give up for it and would he even still be available?  I've seen him mocked at 6th to 15th pick.

no thanks. Would rather trade back up for a Leonard Floyd or yannick.

[JoeyFlex5]

no thanks. Would rather trade back up for a Leonard Floyd or yannick.

this. I would absolutely soil myself if we got say a buckner at 6th and traded up for a Floyd in the late 20s.

If we took a guy like hargreaves or Ramsey at 6th and a guy like ngakoue at 37th overall if he happy as well, but I would hope pees knows how to use Ramsey

[KDUBB44]

Some of you guys are high on Yannick, I don't know much about him but from rankings I've seen him in the 5th-6th round range.

[JoeyFlex5]

Some of you guys are high on Yannick, I don't know much about him but from rankings I've seen him in the 5th-6th round range.

many also have him in the 2nd round, which is where he deserves to be, if not higher. 

 

he has possibly the best first step in this draft class,  and is very refined as a pass rusher, he wins in so many ways, has great athleticism but will probably show a lack of top end speed at the combine, and he is a soft tackler in the run game, those are literally his only weaknesses and he is an absolute stud everywhere else. i have never seen one prospect get so undervalued. 

 

my personal favorite thing about ngakoue, is that you see his numbers, and then he has the tape to back it up, and in the midst of evaluation you realize the situation in which he is doing all of this... playing against big 10 offenses with NFL caliber LT's and pro systems featuring workhorse running backs, on a garbage team always playing from behind... and the dude is 2nd in the nation in sacks. thats like paul kruger leading the nfl in sacks in cleveland playing against playoff teams for 12 weeks of the season. its unheard of. 

 

on a different note though... i changed my vote to deforest buckner, im now convinced hes a big part of what we need up front, hes an absolutely dominant defender and very versatile, he makes light work of any OL he faces, he has a wicked first step and is a mountain of a man, eyes up the pass well to get good swats, diagnoses the backfield well, chases down plays, puts a hurting on ballcarriers, could bring incredible pass rush up the middle or on the edge, would never see less than 2 blockers and would make the play on the rare occasion that he does, i would be giddy to see what kind of monster clarence brooks could create with buckner. a pass rusher is not what this defense needs, it needs a 3 down dominant defender, i think buckner is the kind of guy to take the reins from suggs as the face of the defense.