Suggs possibly considering retirement?

[rmcjacket23]

I think the Suggs saga is coming to a close, and believe these comments and speculations are coming from the fact that he is getting older and perhaps a injury as such is not as easy to recover from as he did in his youth.

 

Frustrating I'm sure, but basically I think he will definitely return for another season if not two.

 

Bottom line, no way he ends his career on IR. 

I still think he plays through 2017. I think he's still a decent contributor in 2016, maybe more-so as a run defender, and then 2017 gets interesting.

 

Only save about $1M against the cap by cutting him in 2017, but he'd be a prime candidate for a paycut request at that point most likely. He can accept, slash his salary by $1-2M, and play on more year, or they cut him and he likely retires.

[wizard1]

As I stated in my Annual 2015 Predictions thread , earlier last year, after 2 Achilles tears in 4 years Terrell Suggs will not be playing football in 2016.

[The Raven]

As I stated in my Annual 2015 Predictions thread , earlier last year, after 2 Achilles tears in 4 years Terrell Suggs will not be playing football in 2016.

 

There ya have it folks. Suggs is done.

[GrimCoconut]

There ya have it folks. Suggs is done.

Let's just start talking about whether he gets in the HoF and when he'll go into the Ring of Honor.

[GrimCoconut]

Possibility, not sure that's a route they'd want to go though.

He would only cost $2.95M against the cap in 2016, but would still cost $5.95M against the cap in 2017.

Not sure how the FO would feel about a $6M dead money cap hit for a player who wasn't even playing for you the year before.

Well, Brian McFarland was just on the radio and he's widely considered one of the best in terms of understanding our cap situation and he thinks if Suggs goes it'll be after June 1.

[K-Dog]

There ya have it folks. Suggs is done.

Make sure Suggs knows this as well.

[usmccharles]

I still think he plays through 2017. I think he's still a decent contributor in 2016, maybe more-so as a run defender, and then 2017 gets interesting.

 

Only save about $1M against the cap by cutting him in 2017, but he'd be a prime candidate for a paycut request at that point most likely. He can accept, slash his salary by $1-2M, and play on more year, or they cut him and he likely retires.

I think Suggs comes back and plays and announces his retirement in a Ray Lewis' esq way.  Suggs likes the spotlight as we all know, no way he just silently walks into the sunset. 

[harfordravenfan]

I still find it a little odd that we keep hearing all these great updates on SSS, Forsett, Flacco, and the rest of IR's injuries, but we aren't hearing much on Sugg's recovery

 

Suggs (like R Lewis & Reed) has always did things his way during the off season (I have a bad memory but don't remember many off season updates from him in the past) and also IMO he tends to enjoy his time off which may be easier if the boot stayed on. Plenty of time to rehab as long as there are no set backs. I am however worried that he waits longer than he should to start the rehab process but hoping I'm wrong about that.

[harfordravenfan]

As I stated in my Annual 2015 Predictions thread , earlier last year, after 2 Achilles tears in 4 years Terrell Suggs will not be playing football in 2016.

 

Guessing the FO should find his replacement and a Mod should close this thread now

[January J]

I think Suggs comes back and plays and announces his retirement in a Ray Lewis' esq way.  Suggs likesass abbextbsbccvwondering where the spotlight as we all know, no way he just silently walks into the sunset.

he used to like the spotlight- but he sure hasn't shown that lately.

Another question is if the team asks him to stay on IR before retiring or to retire post June 1st would he even honor that request? He has been acting a little shady lately and I'm convinced he's still upset about the ngata thing. I mean coming into the building and not even talking to your head coach or communicating with anybody for months at a time?

I kind of think the only reason he was at the steeler game was bc he kind of felt pressure to finally show his face, otherwise ppl would have started asking questions and wondering what the deal was and he just wanted to avoid that. Just speculation ofcourse. Even seeing him on the sideline he didn't seem like himself. Very well could be the divorce/custody thing though , I wasn't previously aware of that.

[January J]

As I stated in my Annual 2015 Predictions thread , earlier last year, after 2 Achilles tears in 4 years Terrell Suggs will not be playing football in 2016.

I'd like to see your "annual" 2014 thread and see how many of those predictions came to light. Edited January 5, 2016 by January J

[Winchester]

and where did you hear that suggs was lobbying for this guy in the draft? Usually players don't get involved in any of that stuff, so I find that hard to believe, but what is your source ?

Of course Suggs is not involved in the draft room!! But team leaders are sometimes consulted about a specific player or encouraged to speak up if he knows or sees something. And I would not post it if it did not come from a direct source or a couple of indirect sources that have no contact with each other. And it really looks like Suggs lobbied Grady!! However it definitely is not the sole reason for Suggs disgruntledness.

[wizard1]

I'd like to see your "annual" 2014 thread and see how many of those predictions came to light.

 Unfortunately I was only about 25% right in 2014 but bumped that up to almost 87% in 2015. I plan on 91% in 2016  That is of course unless I get a job as a weatherman in which case I will be 100% wrong all the time. :-)

[atomicfront]

Full excerpt:

hen wide receiver Steve Smith Sr.took a question Monday about fellow leader Terrell Suggs (both are rehabbing from Achilles injuries), his answer raised ESPN’s Jamison Hensley’s eyebrows.

Smith was asked if he’s spoken with Suggs about the rehab, and he gave this “cryptic” response:

"Suggs is a little vulnerable right now," Smith said. "So, I'm not going to talk to Suggs about it. He's not a ray of sunshine like he usually is."

One can only guess what Smith meant by that comment, but Hensley pointed out that Smith is already out of his walking boot while Suggs was still wearing his a week ago. Suggs injured his Achilles almost two months before Smith.

When reporters asked Elvis Dumervilabout Suggs’ future, Dumervil simply said, "You can ask Terrell Suggs that question."

“Suggs was among the few injured players who didn't come into the locker room after attending the Ravens' season-ending team meeting,” wrote Hensley. “He hasn't spoken to reporters since he suffered the season-ending injury in the opener in Denver.”

Sounds like he's in the verge of retiring.

 

I don't see that is the case.  If Suggs is going through a lot of pain rehabbing that would explain Steve Smith's statement.  Why would Elvis answer about Suggs future.  That would be like Suggs answering whether Elvis would be back next year.   People read to much into everything.  If Suggs had decided to retire why would he not be a ray of sunshine.

 

I am sure Suggs wants to come back.  Whether he can come back at the Hall of Fame quality player he was before the injury is the real question.

Edited January 6, 2016 by atomicfront

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The return of the Sizzle is eminent.

[January J]

Of course Suggs is not involved in the draft room!! But team leaders are sometimes consulted about a specific player or encouraged to speak up if he knows or sees something. And I would not post it if it did not come from a direct source or a couple of indirect sources that have no contact with each other. And it really looks like Suggs lobbied Grady!! However it definitely is not the sole reason for Suggs disgruntledness.

lol never said he was in the draft room...but usually they don't even put in their 2 cents. Maybe the quarter back might talk to the coach about a couple guys he likes on offense..but that's only bc he will be the one throwing or handing the ball off to them..or getting protected by one of them.

And You still didn't state your source..you can say you have one all day long, doesnt mean much if you dont list it.

Edited January 6, 2016 by January J

[Wildabeast88]

I still find it a little odd that we keep hearing all these great updates on SSS, Forsett, Flacco, and the rest of IR's injuries, but we aren't hearing much on Sugg's recovery

I was reading today that Steve was out of his walking boot and Suggs was still in his and Suggs had the surgery about 7 weeks prior to Steve that could be what the deal is just a super slow recovery

[Winchester]

lol never said he was in the draft room...but usually they don't even put in their 2 cents. Maybe the quarter back might talk to the coach about a couple guys he likes on offense..but that's only bc he will be the one throwing or handing the ball off to them..or getting protected by one of them.

And You still didn't state your source..you can say you have one all day long, doesnt mean much if you dont list it.

Several sources. But I can't necessarily start a good friend of Suggs mistress Stacy, or a coach's neighbor said this or that. Or a practice squad player I know said this. I actually thought Suggs admiration for Grady was a widespread everybody has heard it somewhere by now kinda thing.

[Radinho84]

Of course Suggs is not involved in the draft room!! But team leaders are sometimes consulted about a specific player or encouraged to speak up if he knows or sees something. And I would not post it if it did not come from a direct source or a couple of indirect sources that have no contact with each other. And it really looks like Suggs lobbied Grady!! However it definitely is not the sole reason for Suggs disgruntledness.

I am not sure about that. Do you remember the handpicked guys from flacco? e.g. doss...

 

Players of course can share their opinion but there is a reason why organizations have personnel to evaluate talent...

[Radinho84]

I was reading today that Steve was out of his walking boot and Suggs was still in his and Suggs had the surgery about 7 weeks prior to Steve that could be what the deal is just a super slow recovery

depends on the location of the torn, the body weight, etc. Smith hash´t to carry a lot of weight so he can stress the foot much quicker...

 

I wouldn´t read too much into this...

[rafahash]

He will be back, but I strongly believe it will be his final season.

[GrimCoconut]

Several sources. But I can't necessarily start a good friend of Suggs mistress Stacy, or a coach's neighbor said this or that. Or a practice squad player I know said this. I actually thought Suggs admiration for Grady was a widespread everybody has heard it somewhere by now kinda thing.

I don't think it would be good to name your source since that source would likely no longer be a source. That said, Suggs wasn't really any different to start the year, so I'm not sure how much credence I can really put into this. It doesn't add up with the facts I have and have seen.

[usmccharles]

Havent we done this convo about suggs retiring for the last 3 years or so.  every year when he comes to camp a little out of shape, or hasnt been seen much, or saying much, people start speculating.  Suggs isnt a workout warrior but he does have passion for the game, hes not going out like that. 

[Tenacious Faulker]

Sizzle's definately mellowed this year, but I'm wondering if it had less to do with Haloti and a lot more to do with his getting divorced and having to fight for joint custody of his kids, who he adores.

It's been a hard year for Suggs in a lot of ways, but I didn't think the "mellowing" was necessarily such a bad thing - that woman leaving just took a  whole lot of craziness out of his life.

I think we'll see a much more mature version of Sizzle next year, with a determination and resolve that only comes from facing adversity.

That's the same chick that got him in trouble with CPS for the bleach allegations.  She accused him of domestic assault saying that he tried to cover her and their child with a gallon of bleach over some domestic dispute.  I had a friend from the CPS office that new the case well and managed the case worker who visited their house that night.  The bleach thing was an accident after they scuffled over their daughter.  Suggs' GF was not hurt but the bleach was determined to be accidental.  His GF was reportedly yelling and screaming at him about how much she was going to get paid in child support every month throwing out crazy sums of $15k/mo.  All Terrell apparently did was plead with the caseworker to leave their daughter with them.  CPS and the cops left the house without any determination of abuse or wrongdoing.  Then he ended up marrying her a few years back.  Crazy, but maybe he channeled that anger on the field.

 

As to his play lately, he had that first Achillies that he recovered from in record time but still slowed him for the last 8 games of  2012 (we still won the SB).  In 2013 he was still techincally recovering but notched 10 sacks despite Dume on the other side and taking on doubles.  In 2014 had 12 sacks with the same dynamic.  Losing Ngata makes no sense, since Jernigan and Williams have proven to be as good a Ngata was at the end.  He didn't play enough in 2015 make any determination on his "diminishing skills". 

 

Injuries aside, he should be fairly ready to go in 2016, but I'd expect a little drop off being nearly 34 and a year removed from surgery.  He's likewise too costly to cut in 2016, but like Ray Lewis I don't think that the he and Ravens plan to see him retire a Raven.

[January J]

Havent we done this convo about suggs retiring for the last 3 years or so.  every year when he comes to camp a little out of shape, or hasnt been seen much, or saying much, people start speculating.  Suggs isnt a workout warrior but he does have passion for the game, hes not going out like that.

true but this years a little different. Plus he's just one year older- and coming back from his second acl injury at his age will be no easy feat. Combine that with him being disgruntled with the way the fo has handled some things and the problems in his personal life and you just never know. Me personally thinks he will be back as well. But I'm definitely not as sure as I was before.

[Winchester]

Like I been saying, even if he returns how effective is he going to be at 34 coming off anchilles injury. He is not going to be a difference maker. Same goes for SS who is going to be 37 coming off an Achilles injury. His production this year was the result of a year of chemistry together with Joe Flacco. Which should teach the ravens to forget about targeting older receivers and find some receivers in the draft or trade or even young free agents to build years of chemistry with Joe Cool. As opposed to receivers losing their talent. Dumervil will need to take his work ethic more serious than usual if he is going to be a difference maker next year. He should hire a nutritionist\trainer to maximize his muscle to fat ratio and use some new tricks. As for Suggs he will probably return to make some $$ before retiring. But returning to achieve the defense idea needs to be reconsidered.

[ALPHA]

He'll be back, it's in his nature to compete

[terrynjulia03]

The divorce and custody battle along with the injury, yeah I can bet hes not a happy guy, who would be???? Someone needs to get him a dog.

I thought it was a lock he comes back. But what about if Ted goes to the Colts, maybe we move on from Doom or Webb? Rays gone, Haloti gone, than losing his fav coach? He might just say Im done and work on seeing his kids more. While I wouldve said 95/5 he comes back before if any of those happens or a combo I think its gonna get closer to 50/50.

[usmccharles]

Well this can be locked now...

[Bengal Billy]

As a fan of a division rival, even I hope he doesn't retire just yet (especially going out after a season-ending injury).

Suggs has been one of the true elite players at his position. And, the NFL is a much better league with guys like him playing in it.

Suggs' influence on games is terrific, especially in heated rivalry games with Pitt. I love watching every time the Ravens play at Heinz Field and Suggs starts terrorizing them. Great stuff.

Hope he comes back for you guys.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Bengal Billy