Webb moved to FS in 2016?

[The Mom Gene]

Let's just bring Ed Reed back and magically make him that young and illustrious player from about 2006 onward....  then everybody will be happy about our safety spot....  It's tough to replace a guy like that.... 

[ellicottraven]

Let's just bring Ed Reed back and magically make him that young and illustrious player from about 2006 onward....  then everybody will be happy about our safety spot....  It's tough to replace a guy like that.... 

Ed Reed and Ray Lewis are generational talents. We simply need to get the best possible player when we pick and hope they turn out to be franchise type players.

[baltimorefan328]

Correct, his cap hit is $9.5M, but that's not how much he personally is actually getting paid. He himself will get paid $5.5M, so a little over half of that. The remaining $4M in cap hit is from bonus money from prior years.

 

In actual cash being paid to the player, in 2016, Webb is the 26th highest paid corner, and he'd be tied for the 8th highest paid safety.

 

That's my point... while I agree it makes perfect sense for the Ravens to want to reduce his pay, if you're Webb, why would you agree to do so? You're not even being paid inside the top 25 of corners, and your ability to play both positions only enhances your value as a safety.

 

I mean the only real possibility I see of reducing his cap number significantly without cutting him is by giving him an extension, since he only has two years left on his deal. Add another year or two to his deal, and you may be able to shave maybe $2-3M off his cap hit for this year and give him a bit more stability as the FS of the future.

 

A bit risky though, as you'd pretty much be guaranteeing him a roster spot for the next two seasons, which I'm not sure you want to do for a player who is injured so frequently.

Ah alright well thanks to you and Grim for clearing that up, I certainly agree continually asking him to take a cut, even if he does do so, may not feel fully invested with the team anymore if they continually treat him in that way

[spitfire418]

Can I just have a hard hitting defense again? that's all I ask, not top 5 like before....but something

We don't have many hard hitters anymore. Only ones I can think of are Will Hill, Terrence Brooks, and C.J. Mosley. Maybe Jimmy Smith and Matt Elam have some hard hits in them too, but that's about it lol. I guess 3 maybe 4 big hitters on the defense isn't too bad.

Edited January 4, 2016 by spitfire418

[Willbacker]

I just want a "ball hawker" on the back end.  Haven't seen one of those since Ed Reed left....

Lets give him an offseason to truly play and learn the position since I believe he's the best interceptor we got and he's definitely shone he can't play the outside cb position no more.

 

Can I just have a hard hitting defense again? that's all I ask, not top 5 like before....but something

Don't get the Dean Pees apologists going. Who cares if we're feared or respected we got the 12th ranked bendy breaky defense going on. Who the heck wants turnovers?

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I like it because he still has cover skills and can still perform.

[K-Dog]

I just want a "ball hawker" on the back end.  Haven't seen one of those since Ed Reed left....

There was several weeks where Webb lead the team in interceptions ( and Ed was on the team at the same time )  and if I recall Webb even lead the league in interceptions briefly at that time.

I could be wrong on the second part, but I am pretty sure I am not on the first.

 

Point being, he has it in him.  I like this decision.  

[757RavensFan]

Welp that's that. 

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Lardarius-Webb-Im-A-Free-Safety-Now/a398d996-c4d1-4bab-8c08-9d95422620b5

[CorvusCorax]

Any money that Webb loses on his deal he can make up for it by adding more years playing football.

 

I hope we can get a positional restructure and add more time, maybe a year? 

 

Would I be incorrect in stating that safeties typically have longer careers than corners?

 

Average vs. Average.  

 

I'm no football expert/god/know-it-all

Edited January 6, 2016 by CorvusCorax

[GrimCoconut]

I am probably alone here but I'll be furious if we pass on a FS in the draft because of Webb at FS. I think Webb could do well there but this is the best safety draft in years. I wouldn't count on Webb to stay healthy. Brooks and Elam are still virtual unknowns.

[spitfire418]

I am probably alone here but I'll be furious if we pass on a FS in the draft because of Webb at FS. I think Webb could do well there but this is the best safety draft in years. I wouldn't count on Webb to stay healthy. Brooks and Elam are still virtual unknowns.

Our situation at safety is crazy honestly. As of now we have Will Hill, Lardarius Webb, Kendrick Lewis, Matt Elam, and Terrence Brooks. They are all guys (besides Lewis) who have shown potential to be good starting safeties in this league, excluding Will Hill, who can definitely be a starter as we've seen. So let's say we draft another safety, which I think we should because I love the safeties this year, although we shouldn't take one in the first round. That would leave 6 (5) guys at safety that have potential to be our starters next year, which is crazy. I doubt we go back to the rotating safety thing from 2014, which I agree we should stay away from doing, but that leaves 2 out of 6 (5) guys that all have potential to be great safeties in the NFL. It's great to be in that situation of having so many options and good depth, but it sure will suck to see the guys with potential not getting a shot. I think Webb and Hill will probably be the starters too. I don't see how we bench either of them. I just pray that we cut Lewis.

[GrimCoconut]

Our situation at safety is crazy honestly. As of now we have Will Hill, Lardarius Webb, Kendrick Lewis, Matt Elam, and Terrence Brooks. They are all guys (besides Lewis) who have shown potential to be good starting safeties in this league, excluding Will Hill, who can definitely be a starter as we've seen. So let's say we draft another safety, which I think we should because I love the safeties this year, although we shouldn't take one in the first round. That would leave 6 (5) guys at safety that have potential to be our starters next year, which is crazy. I doubt we go back to the rotating safety thing from 2014, which I agree we should stay away from doing, but that leaves 2 out of 6 (5) guys that all have potential to be great safeties in the NFL. It's great to be in that situation of having so many options and good depth, but it sure will suck to see the guys with potential not getting a shot. I think Webb and Hill will probably be the starters too. I don't see how we bench either of them. I just pray that we cut Lewis.

Yeah I'm not talking round 1 but I'd look at the position after that. Hill isn't on a long-term deal, Lewis can easily be cut, Webb could also be cut and he's also currently not a long-term option, either. Elam's rookie deal expires this year. In actuality, none of these safeties we have are under contract beyond 2017.

[spitfire418]

Yeah I'm not talking round 1 but I'd look at the position after that. Hill isn't on a long-term deal, Lewis can easily be cut, Webb could also be cut and he's also currently not a long-term option, either. Elam's rookie deal expires this year. In actuality, none of these safeties we have are under contract beyond 2017.

Yeah who knows what we'll do with them once their contracts expire. Hill, Elam, and Brooks are all young players and could be re-signed. Webb on the other hand is probably gone once his deal is done if not sooner. Lewis needs to gooooo. There is a reason he's been on 3 or so teams already and he's only like 26. I hope we draft a safety in rounds 2-4 though. I haven't done much scouting yet because the draft is still pretty far away, but my favorite safety so far is Vonn Bell. The kid is a playmaker and very athletic, I've liked him since his high school days. I also like both safeties from Florida (if they both declare, one just did), but I may be biased on that one. Karl Joseph is another name I can think of and probably some more I'm forgetting. Hopefully we draft one of those guys.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah who knows what we'll do with them once their contracts expire. Hill, Elam, and Brooks are all young players and could be re-signed. Webb on the other hand is probably gone once his deal is done if not sooner. Lewis needs to gooooo. There is a reason he's been on 3 or so teams already and he's only like 26. I hope we draft a safety in rounds 2-4 though. I haven't done much scouting yet because the draft is still pretty far away, but my favorite safety so far is Vonn Bell. The kid is a playmaker and very athletic, I've liked him since his high school days. I also like both safeties from Florida (if they both declare, one just did), but I may be biased on that one. Karl Joseph is another name I can think of and probably some more I'm forgetting. Hopefully we draft one of those guys.

Bell, Byard and Thompson are three favorites of mine. Look them up.

I just think it'll be a mistake to rely on Webb as a FS next year. I don't mind being stacked at a position, personally. Others may but I don't especially in the secondary. I really like Brooks as a SS or a slot CB because he blitzes pretty well. He's also our youngest. Furthermore, Webb isn't even signed long-term. We may extend him and I actually think this could be a good move. I just don't want to go all-in on him and he gets hurt again.

[RavensFanOfLA]

Let's just bring Ed Reed back and magically make him that young and illustrious player from about 2006 onward....  then everybody will be happy about our safety spot....  It's tough to replace a guy like that.... 

honestly would rather have webb at FS than lewis

[The Mom Gene]

honestly would rather have webb at FS than lewis

Ok... guess you missed the point...I think most would, but OK

[spitfire418]

Bell, Byard and Thompson are three favorites of mine. Look them up.

I just think it'll be a mistake to rely on Webb as a FS next year. I don't mind being stacked at a position, personally. Others may but I don't especially in the secondary. I really like Brooks as a SS or a slot CB because he blitzes pretty well. He's also our youngest. Furthermore, Webb isn't even signed long-term. We may extend him and I actually think this could be a good move. I just don't want to go all-in on him and he gets hurt again.

Yeah we can't rely on him of course. We don't know if he'll actually be good back there and we all know Webb could get hurt lol. I think the coaches will go with Hill and Webb as the safeties to begin the season as long as Lewis is gone. I hope those two will work out and be better than what we had this season. I just wonder where guys like Brooks, Elam, and possibly a draft pick will fit in to the lineup. Maybe one of them can be a slot corner or something of that nature. I just like to see guys play at there position and a somewhere they can succeed. Elam and Brooks are safeties and that's what I want to see them play, but if they have veteran guys above them there isn't much they can do. Never really seen Elam play corner, but I'd love to see Brooks as a slot corner or like linebacker type position if he can't play at safety due to vets over him. The guy can tackle well, he blitzes well, and is a fearless/aggressive player. I think he could fit in well there and wouldn't have as much responsibility as if he were playing FS.

Edited January 6, 2016 by spitfire418

[757RavensFan]

Our situation at safety is crazy honestly. As of now we have Will Hill, Lardarius Webb, Kendrick Lewis, Matt Elam, and Terrence Brooks. They are all guys (besides Lewis) who have shown potential to be good starting safeties in this league, excluding Will Hill, who can definitely be a starter as we've seen. So let's say we draft another safety, which I think we should because I love the safeties this year, although we shouldn't take one in the first round. That would leave 6 (5) guys at safety that have potential to be our starters next year, which is crazy. I doubt we go back to the rotating safety thing from 2014, which I agree we should stay away from doing, but that leaves 2 out of 6 (5) guys that all have potential to be great safeties in the NFL. It's great to be in that situation of having so many options and good depth, but it sure will suck to see the guys with potential not getting a shot. I think Webb and Hill will probably be the starters too. I don't see how we bench either of them. I just pray that we cut Lewis.

 

Don't forget they just signed Nick Perry to the reserve/future list. 

[spitfire418]

Don't forget they just signed Nick Perry to the reserve/future list. 

I really don't know how a guy like that would get a chance to be our safety, but I love to see guys get a chance to show what they can do instead of being wasted talent. If there is a way to see him get playing time then that would be cool.

[DomMcRaven]

I am probably alone here but I'll be furious if we pass on a FS in the draft because of Webb at FS. I think Webb could do well there but this is the best safety draft in years. I wouldn't count on Webb to stay healthy. Brooks and Elam are still virtual unknowns.

You're not. That's all I got to say. 

[rmcjacket23]

I am probably alone here but I'll be furious if we pass on a FS in the draft because of Webb at FS. I think Webb could do well there but this is the best safety draft in years. I wouldn't count on Webb to stay healthy. Brooks and Elam are still virtual unknowns.

I don't think it would prevent us from drafting a FS, but I think it would certainly keep us out of the conversation of taking one at #6 overall.

 

Depending on who you ask, guys like Ramsey/Hargreaves are versatile, so they can probably play corner, safety, linebacker, etc. I just can't imagine us moving Webb to FS and than drafting a guy like Ramsey with the specific intent of him playing FS. But I still think we would draft him if he's on the top of our board.

 

Its an interesting approach, because it creates a good amount of versatility in the secondary. You add a guy like Ramsey, and you've got him and people like Webb and even to a certain extent Elam who has shown at least a little bit of skill playing multiple positions (corner, safety, etc.).

 

Helps with depth and scheme. Probably could be used similar to a Tyrann Matheiu... might have a FS label on the depth chart, but some games he might be in center field, some games he might be in the box, and some games he's down in the slot covering WRs.

 

That's a very valuable asset.

[acranfor]

Why not do something similar to Arizona? Play Webb as FS/Nickel, Hill as a SS/LB, Brooks as FS when Webb drops to Nickel.

[Deflated Football]

Why not do something similar to Arizona? Play Webb as FS/Nickel, Hill as a SS/LB, Brooks as FS when Webb drops to Nickel.

Because we lack a creative DC

[polynesian15]

In his post game interview he acknowledged that he was moving to free safety but didn't seem too happy about it...

My thoughts exactly, the vibe was very weird. The bad season could also have been on his mind a bit... who knows, I hope he starts picking people off left and right and by doing so gets stoked about his position switch. 

[jimmypowder]

My thoughts exactly, the vibe was very weird. The bad season could also have been on his mind a bit... who knows, I hope he starts picking people off left and right and by doing so gets stoked about his position switch. 

Well Webb oughta be thankful we are considering him at Safety because otherwise as a corner he 

is bye bye, in other words cut along with Arrington and Lewis 

[jimmypowder]

Because we lack a creative DC

Sadly Pagano was retained at Indy. I do think we would have made a play to sign him as DC. 

[polynesian15]

Well Webb oughta be thankful we are considering him at Safety because otherwise as a corner he 

is bye bye, in other words cut along with Arrington and Lewis 

Totally agree.

I remember being excited/optimistic about Kendrick and Kyle last offseason   --->     --->   , moving on!

[PurpleCity5]

Glover Quinn said something very interesting on what it's like to be a safety in the NFL. Here's pretty much what he said, you can see more in the link here ------> http://www.theplayerstribune.com/glover-quin-lions-nfl-safety/

 

Now getting more specific, this is the process I go through before every play as the offense comes to the line.

1. I’m looking at the personnel — who’s on the field and what does that person do best?
2. I’m looking at down and distance — percentage-wise, what’s the mostly likely play we’re looking at based on this team’s tendencies in this situation? (This one’s all about preparation.)
3. What’s the call from the coordinator?
4. What are the various checks within that call?
5. What is this formation showing us?
6. I need to communicate what I’m seeing with my corner, and then with my other safety so he can communicate it to his corner.
7. Now let’s make sure the linebackers know the right coverage so we don’t have any blind spots.

HUT!

This is why Communication is so important, if you don't communicate with your DBs and Linebackers, then you're going to put yourself and your teammates in a tough position, and communication has been a big problem with this team honestly. 

[RavensFanOfLA]

Ok... guess you missed the point...I think most would, but OK

i know we cant replace an Ed reed but Webb at FS doesn't sound too bad compared to what we have now

Edited January 6, 2016 by RavensFanOfLA

[PurpleCity5]

I don't want to rely heavily on Webb either but this CB group looks awful, I'd rather invest in that than FS.