Jalen Ramsey - most polarizing prospect among ravens fans.

[January J]

^ he's a Swiss army knife.

[52liveforever]

So, I was just  thinking about this. If we do pick up Ramsey I was thinking of different ways of using him. I think if we use him like Pees tried using Elam that might actually work. Have him line up at corner in pass rushing or running situations and SS in coverage. In turn, sliding Hill down to ILB to get better coverage skills down in the box.

[January J]

4 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

So, I was just  thinking about this. If we do pick up Ramsey I was thinking of different ways of using him. I think if we use him like Pees tried using Elam that might actually work. Have him line up at corner in pass rushing or running situations and SS in coverage. In turn, sliding Hill down to ILB to get better coverage skills down in the box.

Interesting thought.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

So, I was just  thinking about this. If we do pick up Ramsey I was thinking of different ways of using him. I think if we use him like Pees tried using Elam that might actually work. Have him line up at corner in pass rushing or running situations and SS in coverage. In turn, sliding Hill down to ILB to get better coverage skills down in the box.

i think what would happen is this...

base formation we would see webb/lewis at FS, with ramsey at SS, playing a hybrid/rover role 

 

nickel and dime sets hill would step in at SS while ramsey slides up to CB and likely we ask him to press pretty consistently in these situations. 

 

inside the 5 i think he is always in press coverage 

 

preferably he would have disguised intentions on most 3rd downs, he is a guy who could create a lot of confusion and panic for offenses, the looming threat of him blitzing, sniffing out a screen, or jamming a wr into the bleachers will throw a wrench into the offenses plans pretty often, and thanks to his verticals and wingspan and top end speed, qb's likely wont throw deep on him unless they see him clearly beat, in which case hopefully our FS can do their job. 

 

i think in situations where ramsey would play corner for us, jimmy could be trusted 1v1 on one side of the field, if he recovers from his injury he is absolutely that type of corner, this would allow for a lot of risk taking on the opposite side of the field, if we have ramsey and webb at FS making plays on the ball often then i like our odds to force some turnovers, webb may not be able to shadow guys anymore but i still love his ability to anticipate and play the ball.

 

 

[52liveforever]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i think what would happen is this...

base formation we would see webb/lewis at FS, with ramsey at SS, playing a hybrid/rover role 

 

nickel and dime sets hill would step in at SS while ramsey slides up to CB and likely we ask him to press pretty consistently in these situations. 

 

inside the 5 i think he is always in press coverage 

 

preferably he would have disguised intentions on most 3rd downs, he is a guy who could create a lot of confusion and panic for offenses, the looming threat of him blitzing, sniffing out a screen, or jamming a wr into the bleachers will throw a wrench into the offenses plans pretty often, and thanks to his verticals and wingspan and top end speed, qb's likely wont throw deep on him unless they see him clearly beat, in which case hopefully our FS can do their job. 

 

i think in situations where ramsey would play corner for us, jimmy could be trusted 1v1 on one side of the field, if he recovers from his injury he is absolutely that type of corner, this would allow for a lot of risk taking on the opposite side of the field, if we have ramsey and webb at FS making plays on the ball often then i like our odds to force some turnovers, webb may not be able to shadow guys anymore but i still love his ability to anticipate and play the ball.

 

 

In the safety/rover role do you have him in as a third saftey? If so is that in place of an ILB. If not, do we keep hill on the bench in base packages? Seems like a waste of one of our best players.

[JoeyFlex5]

26 minutes ago, 52liveforever said:

In the safety/rover role do you have him in as a third saftey? If so is that in place of an ILB. If not, do we keep hill on the bench in base packages? Seems like a waste of one of our best players.

Or we hope hill plays FS well enough. Hill also could very well be on his way out, if we are able to comfortably phase him out and about having to pay an incosnsistent player like him a fat deal, then I say more power to us. 

Ramsey and hill both could very well be able to handle either spot just fine of we have a pass rush that doesn't leave them exposed, being able to have both of them play any role on any snap would be very nice. 

 

And no  I wouldn't use Ramsey as a 3rd linebacker but as our feature defender who we ask to do a lot of things

 

[RaineV1]

The Ravens moving to a Cardinals' style defense and replacing Daryl Smith with Ramsey would be interesting.

[ngatainmyhouse]

I wish Jabrill Peppers was in this draft....

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

23 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i think what would happen is this...

base formation we would see webb/lewis at FS, with ramsey at SS, playing a hybrid/rover role 

 

nickel and dime sets hill would step in at SS while ramsey slides up to CB and likely we ask him to press pretty consistently in these situations. 

 

inside the 5 i think he is always in press coverage 

 

preferably he would have disguised intentions on most 3rd downs, he is a guy who could create a lot of confusion and panic for offenses, the looming threat of him blitzing, sniffing out a screen, or jamming a wr into the bleachers will throw a wrench into the offenses plans pretty often, and thanks to his verticals and wingspan and top end speed, qb's likely wont throw deep on him unless they see him clearly beat, in which case hopefully our FS can do their job. 

 

i think in situations where ramsey would play corner for us, jimmy could be trusted 1v1 on one side of the field, if he recovers from his injury he is absolutely that type of corner, this would allow for a lot of risk taking on the opposite side of the field, if we have ramsey and webb at FS making plays on the ball often then i like our odds to force some turnovers, webb may not be able to shadow guys anymore but i still love his ability to anticipate and play the ball.

 

 

OK so what you are saying is you want to have Ramsey up as a press cover corner in passing situations and all the time in a nickel or dime D? Lol I have been saying from the beginning that if we took Ramsey we could seemingly do all types of fun stuff with him.  But my question is...why is everyone so afraid to draft him to be a press corner? Everyone wants to move him to SS so fast.  Which is another thing I don't understand, why do we assume SS when all the gurus are saying he has the best range of any corner safety lately and could be a great FS in the league. To me yeah he could play either FS or SS but we have strong safeties and I think he could be more impactful at FS.  But for me...I want this guy to be that Seahawk type big press corner.  I think he can be that guy and that is a huge need for this team.

[GrimCoconut]

28 minutes ago, Club Sec. 217 Seat 2 said:

OK so what you are saying is you want to have Ramsey up as a press cover corner in passing situations and all the time in a nickel or dime D? Lol I have been saying from the beginning that if we took Ramsey we could seemingly do all types of fun stuff with him.  But my question is...why is everyone so afraid to draft him to be a press corner? Everyone wants to move him to SS so fast.  Which is another thing I don't understand, why do we assume SS when all the gurus are saying he has the best range of any corner safety lately and could be a great FS in the league. To me yeah he could play either FS or SS but we have strong safeties and I think he could be more impactful at FS.  But for me...I want this guy to be that Seahawk type big press corner.  I think he can be that guy and that is a huge need for this team.

Yeah, I agree. Seattle would go crazy if they had him. He's a perfect fit for their cover 3 zone. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Club Sec. 217 Seat 2 said:

OK so what you are saying is you want to have Ramsey up as a press cover corner in passing situations and all the time in a nickel or dime D? Lol I have been saying from the beginning that if we took Ramsey we could seemingly do all types of fun stuff with him.  But my question is...why is everyone so afraid to draft him to be a press corner? Everyone wants to move him to SS so fast.  Which is another thing I don't understand, why do we assume SS when all the gurus are saying he has the best range of any corner safety lately and could be a great FS in the league. To me yeah he could play either FS or SS but we have strong safeties and I think he could be more impactful at FS.  But for me...I want this guy to be that Seahawk type big press corner.  I think he can be that guy and that is a huge need for this team.

nobody HAS to play him as a SS, i think he is versatile enough to line up just about anywhere, and he certainly does have the top end speed and burst to be a FS but it also has been noted that he gets stiff hips when quickly changing directions and gets heavy feet on his take off, things that i think can easily be worked on, but as of now he has very little film as a true FS and most of his game tape comes as a SS or CB, so as a rookie i think the safest move would be to play him primarily in one of those spots and ease him into a FS role, which im sure he is capable of, you just cant expect a kid who spend his whole career playing close to the line, to suddenly step on an NFL field and play chess games with qb's as a rookie and win.

[JoeyFlex5]

recently from the rumor mill of walter football, which i will definitely take with a grain of salt... the jags are focused on the front seven rather than the secondary for their first round, with bosa and buckner being the names in play. 

 

i dont see it, not even a little bit. their secondary is so god awful and they are pretty darn close up front, buckner would be a beautiful fit to be the 3tech inside of fowler in their 46-esque front seven, but they also have sen'derrick marks(im not familiar with his contract situation) and jared odrick who can both fill that 3-tech role effectively, meanwhile they dont have a single DB on their roster worthy of stepping on an NFL field, i just dont see them passing on ramsey and continuing to beef up the front seven, but if that rumor is true at all then it is a nice break for us, i still think ramsey could possibly be the best case scenario for us

[ALI624]

20 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

recently from the rumor mill of walter football, which i will definitely take with a grain of salt... the jags are focused on the front seven rather than the secondary for their first round, with bosa and buckner being the names in play. 

 

i dont see it, not even a little bit. their secondary is so god awful and they are pretty darn close up front, buckner would be a beautiful fit to be the 3tech inside of fowler in their 46-esque front seven, but they also have sen'derrick marks(im not familiar with his contract situation) and jared odrick who can both fill that 3-tech role effectively, meanwhile they dont have a single DB on their roster worthy of stepping on an NFL field, i just dont see them passing on ramsey and continuing to beef up the front seven, but if that rumor is true at all then it is a nice break for us, i still think ramsey could possibly be the best case scenario for us

Yea saw that too can't deny it made me hopeful.

[allblackraven]

30 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

recently from the rumor mill of walter football, which i will definitely take with a grain of salt... the jags are focused on the front seven rather than the secondary for their first round, with bosa and buckner being the names in play. 

 

i dont see it, not even a little bit. their secondary is so god awful and they are pretty darn close up front, buckner would be a beautiful fit to be the 3tech inside of fowler in their 46-esque front seven, but they also have sen'derrick marks(im not familiar with his contract situation) and jared odrick who can both fill that 3-tech role effectively, meanwhile they dont have a single DB on their roster worthy of stepping on an NFL field, i just dont see them passing on ramsey and continuing to beef up the front seven, but if that rumor is true at all then it is a nice break for us, i still think ramsey could possibly be the best case scenario for us

There are few quality free agent DBs and Jaguars are not exactly struggling with cap space. They can easily sign top FA safety and corner and have plenty left for other stuff. Then draft BPA

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

recently from the rumor mill of walter football, which i will definitely take with a grain of salt... the jags are focused on the front seven rather than the secondary for their first round, with bosa and buckner being the names in play. 

 

i dont see it, not even a little bit. their secondary is so god awful and they are pretty darn close up front, buckner would be a beautiful fit to be the 3tech inside of fowler in their 46-esque front seven, but they also have sen'derrick marks(im not familiar with his contract situation) and jared odrick who can both fill that 3-tech role effectively, meanwhile they dont have a single DB on their roster worthy of stepping on an NFL field, i just dont see them passing on ramsey and continuing to beef up the front seven, but if that rumor is true at all then it is a nice break for us, i still think ramsey could possibly be the best case scenario for us

I believe it. You win in the trenches. It makes sense as well if you look at their division. Apply interior pressure and they should be able to collapse the weak interior OLs of their competition. 

[JoeyFlex5]

42 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

There are few quality free agent DBs and Jaguars are not exactly struggling with cap space. They can easily sign top FA safety and corner and have plenty left for other stuff. Then draft BPA

I did not consider FA and this is completely true. Let's hope we don't get disappointed here lol because Ramsey has grown on me

[RavensDieHard21]

On ‎1‎/‎22‎/‎2016 at 9:38 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

On ‎1‎/‎22‎/‎2016 at 9:02 PM, allblackraven said:

You never know - Elam will be healthy again. He played FS almost his entire rookie season. Didn't do anything special but he didn't do anything really terrible in 2013, considering he was a rookie playing out of his normal place.

but then 2014... Lol

Those missed tackles in the Patriots game haunt me in my sleep

[RavensDieHard21]

So Ravens are on the clock at #6 and Bosa, Tunsil, Buckner, Goff, and Stanley come off the board, hypothetically speaking, with no trading back, do we feel more comfortable with Ramsey or HG3? I would probably flip a coin and then pass out. Ramsey is a leader and well-rounded with great "potential", while HG3 has great ball skills and is a technician, but is under-sized. We need a franchise changing player, I think that the combine will show whether or not the dark horse, Alexander will slide enough for us to grab him later in the first or not.

[allblackraven]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I did not consider FA and this is completely true. Let's hope we don't get disappointed here lol because Ramsey has grown on me

I like Ramsey a lot but I am still convinced that he's not the guy. Too much of a tweener to go at #6.

[JoeyFlex5]

26 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I like Ramsey a lot but I am still convinced that he's not the guy. Too much of a tweener to go at #6.

i said this for the longest time but just because his current tape doesnt show him playing on the deep end, it still shows him playing as an absolute lights out press corner, very strong capabilities as that "renegade" DB, and with game reps i think he has all the range in the world and can be lights out as a FS 

 

46 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

So Ravens are on the clock at #6 and Bosa, Tunsil, Buckner, Goff, and Stanley come off the board, hypothetically speaking, with no trading back, do we feel more comfortable with Ramsey or HG3? I would probably flip a coin and then pass out. Ramsey is a leader and well-rounded with great "potential", while HG3 has great ball skills and is a technician, but is under-sized. We need a franchise changing player, I think that the combine will show whether or not the dark horse, Alexander will slide enough for us to grab him later in the first or not.

i gotta take ramsey, VH3 is still a bigger risk i think, he very well could measure in at 5'9" and idc how big he plays, you cant cover AJ green, martavis bryant, or josh gordon like that, and with the concerns over his top end speed and his tendency to bite on doubles, which has been exposed more than a few times in college, i certainly worry about his ability to cover guys like antonio brown who have exceptional route running and great top speed. its strange because i think hargreaves is the prototype corner for our defense specifically, but i think he could get toasted quite easily in the AFC north. ramsey gives you a versatile weapon who has risks himself, but in terms of size, tackling, aggression, ability to turn his head to play the ball, reading the qb, instincts, bla bla, literally everything is a positive, except for the simple fact that he was used in a diverse role and typically played close to the line so we dont have any tape on him as a real FS, i wouldnt say thats a real concern.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I believe it. You win in the trenches. It makes sense as well if you look at their division. Apply interior pressure and they should be able to collapse the weak interior OLs of their competition. 

exhibit A: ravens vs patriots 2015 divisional round. 

 

lol seriously though, ive always thought that the trenches win games, and i still do, but you could have the best front seven in the league and it wouldnt matter if your secondary is completely incompetent, which is basically what we would be seeing here. 

 

hey id be happy as a clam to see them pass on ramsey, i hope it happens, but i just cant see them doing it with their secondary

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

exhibit A: ravens vs patriots 2015 divisional round. 

 

lol seriously though, ive always thought that the trenches win games, and i still do, but you could have the best front seven in the league and it wouldnt matter if your secondary is completely incompetent, which is basically what we would be seeing here. 

 

hey id be happy as a clam to see them pass on ramsey, i hope it happens, but i just cant see them doing it with their secondary

I figured you'd make this argument because it's a predictable and legitimate one. You make a great point and one I considered as well, and while I'd normally agree, I'd tell you to look at the whole and not the part. 

Bradley comes from Seattle, and while much is made of their CB style with drafting, it does make sense if they risk it. It's also not like they don't have talent there. I like Colvin quite a bit. They could also go with a DL and target Weddle in free agency and another CB. 

I think solid arguments exist on both ends here, but that's not the discussion. The discussion seemed to be the plausibility of the Jaguars taking a DL ahead of Ramsey, and the argument is certainly compelling. 

FwiW, I agree with you. Lol, just playing devil's advocate. 

[RavensFanMania]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I did not consider FA and this is completely true. Let's hope we don't get disappointed here lol because Ramsey has grown on me

You and me both buddy.  However you and I have been on the Ramsey train since early in the season.  Love Buckner and Bosa as well.  I actually think this class is better than many on this board say it is. 

[allblackraven]

@RavensFanMania Fat finger?

[RavensFanMania]

30 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

@RavensFanMania Fat finger?

what?   lol

 

Sorry about the triple post.  My internet connection is very slow right now and it didn't look like it was going through, so I hit the submit button a couple extra times. 

Edited February 4, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[allblackraven]

50 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

what?   lol

Sorry about the triple post.  My internet connection is very slow right now and it didn't look like it was going through, so I hit the submit button a couple extra times. 

You can now delete them yourself - click options next to edit.

[RavensFanMania]

32 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

You can now delete them yourself - click options next to edit.

thanks

[FastEddie]

13 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

You and me both buddy.  However you and I have been on the Ramsey train since early in the season.  Love Buckner and Bosa as well.  I actually think this class is better than many on this board say it is. 

I like your guys points, and actually never considered it from a FA/cap perspective. Granted...I would be shocked and thrilled to see Ramsey fall in our laps, and would imagine Oz not thinking twice on our selection. It would make sense though...Jag's could use their cap to fill in spots while drafting a franchise tackle.

I also like Buckner and Bosa. Defender in my eyes is a priority. Treadwell is a stretch at 6 for me.

[Maryland]

I've read on walter football that our organization is very interested in Ramsey, but I haven't read that anywhere else. 

I would take him only if they want him to play safety. He could start out as more of a box safety as Berry and Reed did and develop coverage (center-fielding) skills later on. ...Or he could never develop these skills and still be a good safety inside of 15 yards. You don't have to generate a ton of INTs to be a playmaker. Simply racking up TFLs and fumbles changes the game. If he does that despite never developing center-fielding skills, it would still be a decent pick in my eyes. 

I like the Tyrann comparison, despite the size difference. 

[Edgar]

What film should I watch to see this guy make a play? I'm serious.

i question his instincts in run support,his tackling. He gets beat in coverage. Vacates a zone he's responsible for,telegraphs blitzes and the brings it tentatively. Doesn't seem all that interested generally.

 

i get that the league needs safeties but I don't get him. Clearly I'm missing something because I've seen him routinely mocked top five. He feels like a project from the games I've seen.