Jalen Ramsey - most polarizing prospect among ravens fans.

[Cillmatic]

Because I don't think it's a conversion for him, at all. He has some things to learn of course, but he has shown numerous times on his tape that he has the range and instincts to play the deep part of the field. Again, just because he wasn't used that way a ton doesn't mean he's not that type of guy.

I still think you're overlooking that he's not locked in as a FS either. He has the ability to play a lot of different roles in the secondary, many of which we could really use.

He's not a good CB abd if we tried to force him there he'd be a project player(waste of the sixth), what other position is there?

I'll close with this, do you think Ramsey has the best chance of being a pro-bowl player and eventually elite? And if you don't, taking him over someone who has a better chance is dumb.

Edited January 21, 2016 by Cillmatic

[rmw10]

He's not a good CB abd if we tried to force him there he'd be a project player(waste of the sixth), what other position is there?

I'll close with this, do you think Ramsey has the best chance of being a pro-bowl player and eventually elite? And if you don't, taking him over someone who has a better chance is dumb.

 

No sense in arguing any further if you think Ramsey isn't a quality CB as well.

 

Yes, I do.  Unless we're talking about Tunsil being available, I think Ramsey has just as good of a chance of being an elite player as everyone else in that range.

[52520Andrew]

I think the issue is he is a very boom-or-bust prospect that will require serious NFL coaching to refine his technique to maximize his potential. He also has that on-the-field attitude that makes you wonder if he will be able to take coaching, but it doesn't seem to be an actual problem based off of everything I read. So, essentially, he's got Marcus Peters-like intensity (I'm not saying he's about to punch a coach) & will need more refinement in the NFL to actually win against NFL talent, where he can't win solely off athleticism. I expect him to rely on his athleticism initially, which will eventually cause him to get beat & lose. This is where I will expect him to boom or bust. He'll either rise to the occasion, clean up his technique, or think he can survive off of his athleticism, which will eventually fade away & he'll be a mediocre player that "could've been." 

 

That said, this guy looks like a real competitor. He also has very good work ethic based off of everything I've read. So, basically, he's got the work ethic & the athleticism to become probably the best at his position in the NFL. His hips are a bit tight, but that doesn't mean he can't compensate for that. I've seen this same knock on CBs before & I have seen some compensate & overcome while others haven't. 

 

Here are some articles on his work ethic:

http://fanbuzz.rare.us/story/jalen-ramsey-wants-to-do-workouts-past-midnight-because-hes-bored/

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2014/08/24/jalen-ramsey-fsu-star/14536469/

 

He's a leader & a motivator, which is what a lot of people here said they wanted, a problem evident when we lost Suggs 

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2014/08/24/jalen-ramsey-fsu-star/14536469/

 

Although I suppose it's fair to wonder just how much he loves football since he wants to do the Olympics one day:

http://www.seminoles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=210438106

 

I think this idea that he's a Mathieu clone is completely wrong. I think he's far better than Mathieu, who wasn't at all a bad prospect coming out of LSU. People think that just because he was a 3rd round pick he was a scrub. He only fell to the 3rd because of his little thing with marijuana that caused him serious problems. He would've been a first round pick, likely a very high one, if not a top-10 pick. Furthermore, Ramsey is more athletic & has better size than The Honey Badger. I think the comparison is very unfair to Ramsey. 

 

Very well put. The thing that really makes me more confident that Ramsey can make that leap to the NFL is that work ethic and competitiveness. I do think he has to go to the right place though as well like a lot of prospects in the draft. I think our locker room could do him very well and I think guys like Suggs could be huge for him to kinda steer him along that right path in the NFL. Harbs could be a great influence as well obviously. Don't know if we will be able to get Ramsey as he may end up going before us but he could be a lot of fun to have. 

[Inqui]

Very well put. The thing that really makes me more confident that Ramsey can make that leap to the NFL is that work ethic and competitiveness. I do think he has to go to the right place though as well like a lot of prospects in the draft. I think our locker room could do him very well and I think guys like Suggs could be huge for him to kinda steer him along that right path in the NFL. Harbs could be a great influence as well obviously. Don't know if we will be able to get Ramsey as he may end up going before us but he could be a lot of fun to have. 

The more I think about it the more I think he isn't getting past Jacksonville at 5. Tremendous upside, fills a huge need, looks like a great scheme fit and is a local boy to top it off.

 

In fact, I'm getting to the point where I think Bosa's more likely to be on the board for our pick than Ramsey (SD and Dallas are both in the market for DBs, and the Titans could always trade back and take him).

[rmw10]

The more I think about it the more I think he isn't getting past Jacksonville at 5. Tremendous upside, fills a huge need, looks like a great scheme fit and is a local boy to top it off.

 

In fact, I'm getting to the point where I think Bosa's more likely to be on the board for our pick than Ramsey (SD and Dallas are both in the market for DBs, and the Titans could always trade back and take him).

 

Jacksonville definitely seems like a logical landing spot for Ramsey right now.  Big need there.

[GrimCoconut]

Very well put. The thing that really makes me more confident that Ramsey can make that leap to the NFL is that work ethic and competitiveness. I do think he has to go to the right place though as well like a lot of prospects in the draft. I think our locker room could do him very well and I think guys like Suggs could be huge for him to kinda steer him along that right path in the NFL. Harbs could be a great influence as well obviously. Don't know if we will be able to get Ramsey as he may end up going before us but he could be a lot of fun to have. 

The more I think about it the more I think he isn't getting past Jacksonville at 5. Tremendous upside, fills a huge need, looks like a great scheme fit and is a local boy to top it off.

 

In fact, I'm getting to the point where I think Bosa's more likely to be on the board for our pick than Ramsey (SD and Dallas are both in the market for DBs, and the Titans could always trade back and take him).

Jacksonville definitely seems like a logical landing spot for Ramsey right now.  Big need there.

I think Dallas or Jacksonville take him. I'd love for him to drop to us, though. I think Ozzie will take him unless there's someone he likes better, and there's not much better imo. He's one of the top players in this draft as far as I can see. 

[FastEddie]

No way he makes it past Jacksonville in my opinion. We will end up with Stanley on the board when we pick.

 

Can see us trading back for a pass rusher.

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

I think we would be extremely lucky to get this guy at #6, I think his play making potential is what this defense needs and more importantly the overall TEAM as well.  We need a play making defensive back on this team, and Ramsey can make impact plays all over the field in more ways than 1.  I will admit I do fall in love with prospects during pre draft time and I get stuck on us wanting one guy and more times than not we take my guy.  I wanted Jimmy badly and was pumped when we got him..it worked out.  On the flip side, I loved Elam...it was tough to get really excited bc we picked so late that year but I really wanted Elam and I was pumped that we took him...that one didn't look like it worked out too well...Having said that it seems like even though there is some negativity surrounding Ramsey atleast within this fan base, he appears to be maybe even moving up ranks within high profile scouts.  Bucky Brooks just came out with a top 32 prospect list last night...which Jalen Ramsey leads the list at #1...if you don't like Bucky then turn your head to Mr. Daniel Jeremiah who has Ramsey listed as his #2 prospect...fellas this isn't at his position either, its overall prospect.

[January J]

The more I think about it the more I think he isn't getting past Jacksonville at 5. Tremendous upside, fills a huge need, looks like a great scheme fit and is a local boy to top it off.

 

In fact, I'm getting to the point where I think Bosa's more likely to be on the board for our pick than Ramsey (SD and Dallas are both in the market for DBs, and the Titans could always trade back and take him).

  

Jacksonville definitely seems like a logical landing spot for Ramsey right now.  Big need there.

  

No way he makes it past Jacksonville in my opinion. We will end up with Stanley on the board when we pick.

 

Can see us trading back for a pass rusher.

you could say the same thing about vh3 though. He fills a need and is also a local boy...It's all in who they think would be a better fit. They might think vh3 is more coachable and go with him..which I think they will.

[Clmraven]

I wouldn't really care if we drafted Ramsey, he's not my favorite but he'd help us I guess. But I'm still not sure he's a Ravens type pick, it seems we usually go for the more technically sound guys rather than the high ceiling Athletes.

And with Webb moving to safety I question what position Ramsey would play this year.

[JoeyFlex5]

I wouldn't really care if we drafted Ramsey, he's not my favorite but he'd help us I guess. But I'm still not sure he's a Ravens type pick, it seems we usually go for the more technically sound guys rather than the high ceiling Athletes.

And with Webb moving to safety I question what position Ramsey would play this year.

he would take them inconsistent will hills place as the SS and in nickel and dime sets I assume hill would step in at SS and Ramsey would be assigned to press cover as a cb. He would likely be a 3 down starter but would have a split role

[PurpleCity5]

Ramsey and Hargreaves are starting to become seriously underrated. I've caught myself being down in the dumps on Ramsey lately but I still believe he could be our guy at #6. I think Oz would value his versatility as a CB/S, though I prefer him at CB but it depends on what Oz thinks. I can see him going to Jacksonville. 

Edited January 21, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

I wouldn't really care if we drafted Ramsey, he's not my favorite but he'd help us I guess. But I'm still not sure he's a Ravens type pick, it seems we usually go for the more technically sound guys rather than the high ceiling Athletes.

And with Webb moving to safety I question what position Ramsey would play this year.

I think with Ramsey you have an insurance policy in case Webb fails as a FS because lets be honest you can't fully rely on him being a game changer there.

[Cillmatic]

Rather have a potential Joe Haden clone in Hargreaves right now.

[GrimCoconut]

Rather have a potential Joe Haden clone in Hargreaves right now.

What if Ramsey is another Woodson?

[Cillmatic]

What if Ramsey is another Woodson?

He hasn't showed it so I'm more willing to go with the one who has showed some. Woodson was a TECHNICIAN, just like Haden and Hargreaves; I don't see the same trait in Ramsey. Edited January 21, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Clmraven]

What if Ramsey is another Woodson?

College career wise they seem to be very different players IMO.

[Cillmatic]

Starting to ease up on my Ramsey hate, only got a few questions.

1. What would he play in his first few years with Webb at FS?

2. Who would play Safety when Ramsey is not?

[GrimCoconut]

Starting to ease up on my Ramsey hate, only got a few questions.

1. What would he play in his first few years with Webb at FS?

2. Who would play Safety when Ramsey is not?

I think Ramsey would be eased into a safety job. For instance, I expect him to start immediately and have a varied role. I see him playing nearly every down as an outside CB, nickel CB, strong safety, and sitting back in the cover 2. That's as a rookie.

In year 2, if we truly keep Webb then I see Ramsey playing SS when he replaces Will Hill, who's a free agent in 2017. Then in year 3, I expect him to take over as the FS when Webb leaves. He could move up sooner, though, since we could always cut Webb and put him at FS in year 2 with Brooks at SS, where I think he's better.

Then again, I can see Ramsey playing outside CB across from Jimmy with the right coaching. I also see him playing some ILB as a WILL LB from time to time.

Edited January 22, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[ravensnation5220]

Starting to ease up on my Ramsey hate, only got a few questions.

1. What would he play in his first few years with Webb at FS?

2. Who would play Safety when Ramsey is not?

Im pretty sure he would be a corner. Like you said webbs the free safety and we have will hill and a ton of unproven talents. I really think ramsey will play corner his first few years, either outside or slot and maybe use him as a linebacker in a dime package but i dont think we would trust him at saftey, i think thats why we moved webb there

[JoeyFlex5]

Starting to ease up on my Ramsey hate, only got a few questions.

1. What would he play in his first few years with Webb at FS?

2. Who would play Safety when Ramsey is not?

Ramsey is likely SS regardless of who we have, it fits him best. I think he would be our starting ss and then in dime and nickel packages will hill would play SS while Ramsey gets up on the line and press covers. He will have a starters snap count and be splitting roles because he's a diverse db

[JoeyFlex5]

Im pretty sure he would be a corner. Like you said webbs the free safety and we have will hill and a ton of unproven talents. I really think ramsey will play corner his first few years, either outside or slot and maybe use him as a linebacker in a dime package but i dont think we would trust him at saftey, i think thats why we moved webb there

you think we moved Webb to FS because we don't trust a college prospect that we haven't drafted?

[ravensnation5220]

you think we moved Webb to FS because we don't trust a college prospect that we haven't drafted?

no i was referring to webb as the guy they trusted the most out of the guys we already have

[JoeyFlex5]

no i was referring to webb as the guy they trusted the most out of the guys we already have

lol I know I was just fooling. I don't think they see Webb as an ideal FS. He has lost a ton of explosion and speed and I personally don't think they trust anyone on the team outside of hill who they prefer at SS

[allblackraven]

lol I know I was just fooling. I don't think they see Webb as an ideal FS. He has lost a ton of explosion and speed and I personally don't think they trust anyone on the team outside of hill who they prefer at SS

 

You never know - Elam will be healthy again. He played FS almost his entire rookie season. Didn't do anything special but he didn't do anything really terrible in 2013, considering he was a rookie playing out of his normal place.

[ravensnation5220]

lol I know I was just fooling. I don't think they see Webb as an ideal FS. He has lost a ton of explosion and speed and I personally don't think they trust anyone on the team outside of hill who they prefer at SS

ya its a real problem, i just dont see ramsey as a guy that would fix it, maybe in the future but not now. But hey who knows maybe webb will work out well only time will tell but i feel were gonna let this group of safeties play it out, we have a lot invested in all of them and i feel thats the position ozzie will let be like wide receiver was last year. It may end up being our undoing unless elam or brooks play like their talent

[JoeyFlex5]

You never know - Elam will be healthy again. He played FS almost his entire rookie season. Didn't do anything special but he didn't do anything really terrible in 2013, considering he was a rookie playing out of his normal place.

but then 2014... Lol

[January J]

I think with Ramsey you have an insurance policy in case Webb fails as a FS because lets be honest you can't fully rely on him being a game changer there.

not to mention if will hill got injured and went down we'd have a viable backup. I mean we have other guys but none that would be as enticing as Ramsey in his natural spot.

[52520Andrew]

Ramsey is likely SS regardless of who we have, it fits him best. I think he would be our starting ss and then in dime and nickel packages will hill would play SS while Ramsey gets up on the line and press covers. He will have a starters snap count and be splitting roles because he's a diverse db

 

I agree, I think you can really take advantage of his aggressive nature there, I think Ramsey could be absolutely deadly off the edge on blitzes as well like a certain SS who gave us nightmares there

[PurpleCity5]

not to mention if will hill got injured and went down we'd have a viable backup. I mean we have other guys but none that would be as enticing as Ramsey in his natural spot.

As a CB I don't know if Ramsey is the best fit but if he can maxamize his potential he could be a really good player, I think he's more refined as a CB technique wise than some give him credit for. I actually like him as a CB.

Edited January 22, 2016 by PurpleCity5