Jalen Ramsey - most polarizing prospect among ravens fans.

[evass#ravensnation]

Ramsey's number one, he knows the secrets of desire

Rapapapapiliapupaliapuppa

Ramsey's number one, he put the people all on fire

Rapapapapiliapupaliapuppa

but seriously I really like this kid I hope we draft him !!!!! #6

[JoeyFlex5]

All valid responses lol. I really am mad at the ravens right now for not doing what we have been clamoring for and probably exactly what this secondary needs

[January J]

I wonder how we will use Ramsey. I've made a Tyrann Mathieu comparison and thats who Ransey reminds me of, a S/CB hybrid who can do it all on the field. I do worry but the other things, specifically his on-field mentality and how he can handle his aggression. Its the little things that can hurt you. With that said if we do pick Ramsey I'll be excited.

exactly...if the cincinatti Pittsburgh game taught us anything it's that the little things can absolutely cost you an entire season.

[PurpleCity5]

exactly...if the cincinatti Pittsburgh game taught us anything it's that the little things can absolutely cost you an entire season.

I do agree to that but that probably wouldn't stop me from drafting him. I think as a CB his technique is more refined than given credit for but I wonder about how he will transition to a zone-heavy scheme and how he will do in off-man, now CBs have the choice if they prefer to be press or off-man, but the QB-WR duos in this league are absolutely insane man you'll def. be asked to play some off-man and zone. I just wonder how he'll develop in that aspect. Still, I think he's very intelligent on the field so maybe we are all underrating him a bit here, I still like him. Those are my concerns as far as his abilities are concerned, but I do wonder just how overly aggressive he can get, that's a red flag but we'll see. I still like him. I think he's a better CB than given credit for and that's where I like him rather than FS. He could actually be our pick, I don't remember a lot of people liking Shane Ray a lot here and Oz went after him. I wouldn't be shocked if he was a Jalen Ramsey guy. 

[January J]

I do agree to that but that probably wouldn't stop me from drafting him. I think as a CB his technique is more refined than given credit for but I wonder about how he will transition to a zone-heavy scheme and how he will do in off-man, now CBs have the choice if they prefer to be press or off-man, but the QB-WR duos in this league are absolutely insane man you'll def. be asked to play some off-man and zone. I just wonder how he'll develop in that aspect. Still, I think he's very intelligent on the field so maybe we are all underrating him a bit here, I still like him. Those are my concerns as far as his abilities are concerned, but I do wonder just how overly aggressive he can get, that's a red flag but we'll see. I still like him. I think he's a better CB than given credit for and that's where I like him rather than FS. He could actually be our pick, I don't remember a lot of people liking Shane Ray a lot here and Oz went after him. I wouldn't be shocked if he was a Jalen Ramsey guy.

oh most definitely. I have said for awhile that I think Ramsey will be our pick. Hes not MY first choice...But I can almost guarentee at 6 if bosa and Tunsil are gone that oz won't even hesitate to go with ram.

[PurpleCity5]

oh most definitely. I have said for awhile that I think Ramsey will be our pick. Hes not MY first choice...But I can almost guarentee at 6 if bosa and Tunsil are gone that oz won't even hesitate to go with ram.

He's not my first choice but I absolutely love his ceiling. I can imagine him in a CB/S hybrid role similar to Tyrann Matheiu. That would be huge for us. My first option is Bosa, Tunsil, and Treadwell with Ramsey being 4th, I think he can be dynamic but I'm weary of the fit here. 

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

I was a big questioner of Ramsey early on and was adament he was a S only and would prefer several guys before him but I am starting to rethink my position on him.

 

My new thoughts are...for our scheme I actually think he is better suited to play CB, I think our D is at its best when our CBs can play zone and press. This year Jimmy Smith seemed to trail and get desperate on many deep balls--I think at this point in his career and style he is best in zone, give up some underneath and some inside stuff knowing the LBs are there to clean up and at a certain point receivers will wear and tire down. I think this scheme would also match Jalen Ramsey best.

 

I actually think James Winstons comment on him being "Richard Sherman like" is not too far off. He is similar in size, and from my estimates speed. They both are very good at using their lengthy arms off the LOS, not to beat up a guy but push them to the perimeter and use the sideline to their advantage. This may be my favourite thing as I watch him now. There are few corners who take away this kind of space from the receiver. It is one tough through for a QB when the guy is locked up against the sideline whether it is deep, on a comeback, or a back shoulder. I do think he is susceptible to inside and crossing routes (similar to Sherman if asked to follow in man). Like others his attitude scares the heck out of me but I think at this point after re-watching I think he is the best fit for our team at CB, and I would take him over VHIII and Alexander. 

 

I am glad you mentioned the bit about Richard Sherman. Ever since the Seahawks defense has kind of taken over the league defensively I have been wanting what I have been calling a "Seahawk" type corner to my friends and when I look at Ramsey thats what I think he could be.  I think Richard Sherman is a good comparison, am I saying that Ramsey is THAT good right now no but I certainly see potential to him to where I think he can develop into that type of player.  They have similar body types and are both super long.  Some have criticized Ramey for his lack of true back pedal but actually Sherman and Ramsey have similar styles and take similar steps with a hard jam at the line and then a hitch in their retreat to cover the man downfield. They also both have similar attitudes.  Both having an alpha dog type of attitude which is what we need on our defense.  I dont look at his versatility as a downside, he could make plays all over the field and be a weapon which we need back in Baltimore. He excites me the most of the defensive backs right now.  The other guys are going to be very solid corners and might be able to cover the quick twitch route runners better than Ramsey, but I think everyone agrees the he is going to be a tremendous play maker, the hold up is whether it is going to be at CB or S...Ill deal with that hold up because guess what....WE NEED BOTH, and I play making one at that.

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

You can't even bring up Ed's name when talking about Ramsey because he's shown ZERO range skills. You say we worrying to much on his position... Last time I checked most teams picking in the top 10 know what position they're drafting. You also barely touch on any of his negatives. Likening a college player to two hall of famers is over exaggerating.

 

 

WHERE did everyone get the idea that Jalen Ramsey has no range skills?...where does that come from really? lol Lets just look at the athlete that he is himself...tall, long, Rangey, fast, long striding- strong...Not having any football sense in his mind an athlete like Ramsey could serve to be a ranging safety in the league.  But the thing is..he has incredible football sense, and is at a level with the tops on the field, he knows where everyone should be. he is very instictual, he WANTS to make a big play and can take a risk bc of his athleticism...I don't see one professional scout that has listed Ramsey's range as a weakness...I all see them praise him for his range capability

 

You guys need to understand about these player comparisons arent the gospel, do I think that hes as good as a Hall of Famer right now no but he has tools and prototypes that reflect some of these great past players.  He is a foot BALLER.

[Cillmatic]

WHERE did everyone get the idea that Jalen Ramsey has no range skills?...where does that come from really? lol Lets just look at the athlete that he is himself...tall, long, Rangey, fast, long striding- strong...Not having any football sense in his mind an athlete like Ramsey could serve to be a ranging safety in the league. But the thing is..he has incredible football sense, and is at a level with the tops on the field, he knows where everyone should be. he is very instictual, he WANTS to make a big play and can take a risk bc of his athleticism...I don't see one professional scout that has listed Ramsey's range as a weakness...I all see them praise him for his range capability

You guys need to understand about these player comparisons arent the gospel, do I think that hes as good as a Hall of Famer right now no but he has tools and prototypes that reflect some of these great past players. He is a foot BALLER.

1. You can fit all his coverage safety snaps into a 30 second clip; he just never showed consistency. No one gives a damn how tall you are, if you can't don't you can't do it. Brooks is athletic as hell an he apparently can't do anything.

Having good measurements doesn't mean you have elite range.

2. He DOES want to make the BIG player, and that aggressive play style has messed him up before.

3. Why are you looking past the fact that he got thrown out of practice for disobeying and that he looks like a flag magnet?

Don't fall in love with athletes, fall in live with football players.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Cillmatic

[thieverycorporation]

Does anybody know which draft site has prospects in draft and their comparison to current players.? 

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

1. You can fit all his coverage safety snaps into a 30 second clip; he just never showed consistency. No one gives a damn how tall you are, if you can't don't you can't do it. Brooks is athletic as hell an he apparently can't do anything.

Having good measurements doesn't mean you have elite range.

2. He DOES want to make the BIG player, and that aggressive play style has messed him up before.

3. Why are you looking past the fact that he got thrown out of practice for disobeying and that he looks like a flag magnet?

Don't fall in love with athletes, fall in live with football players.

 

 

One of the main things he shows on tape is his RANGE so I am just not understanding how you do not see it on tape.  He doesn't need to just show it in the middle of the field at safety, you can see it during many different other game type scenarios as well like when he is rushing off the edge, he covers so much space so fast because of his length and rannngeeee.  That same aggressive play style is what made Ed Reed.  We must not forget that YES Ed Reed made a ton of amazing plays for this franchise, but he also took risks every game and they did not ALWAYS work out.  I think sometimes we forget bc of how great Ed was but there were times where we would hold our breath bc of him taking risks as well.  I am not falling in love with this guy, I am not in love with any prospect right now, but he is one of the best FOOTBALLERS in this draft.

[GrimCoconut]

One of the main things he shows on tape is his RANGE so I am just not understanding how you do not see it on tape.  He doesn't need to just show it in the middle of the field at safety, you can see it during many different other game type scenarios as well like when he is rushing off the edge, he covers so much space so fast because of his length and rannngeeee.  That same aggressive play style is what made Ed Reed.  We must not forget that YES Ed Reed made a ton of amazing plays for this franchise, but he also took risks every game and they did not ALWAYS work out.  I think sometimes we forget bc of how great Ed was but there were times where we would hold our breath bc of him taking risks as well.  I am not falling in love with this guy, I am not in love with any prospect right now, but he is one of the best FOOTBALLERS in this draft.

He definitely is a football player. The difference between him & Ed Reed is Ed's work ethic & ability to study film. He honestly doesn't look like he studies film as much. He may not be capable of doing it, but I can't say that one way or another. I have no evidence of this & go strictly off of what I've seen & these mistakes I see him make that make me think he may not study film.

 

When I compare him to Alexander, of whom I know studies film, you can see Alexander does it. Alexander not only studies film, however, but applies what he sees in the games. This is such a critical aspect of his game that goes unnoticed. A player can study film all day, but if they can't apply what they see to games, then it is worthless. Ramsey doesn't jump routes & doesn't seem to diagnose these type of situations, which he should if he 1) studies film & 2) applies what he sees to the games. Perhaps he doesn't know how. I don't know.

 

That said, unlike others, I'd have no problem drafting Ramsey at #6 overall.

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

He definitely is a football player. The difference between him & Ed Reed is Ed's work ethic & ability to study film. He honestly doesn't look like he studies film as much. He may not be capable of doing it, but I can't say that one way or another. I have no evidence of this & go strictly off of what I've seen & these mistakes I see him make that make me think he may not study film.

 

When I compare him to Alexander, of whom I know studies film, you can see Alexander does it. Alexander not only studies film, however, but applies what he sees in the games. This is such a critical aspect of his game that goes unnoticed. A player can study film all day, but if they can't apply what they see to games, then it is worthless. Ramsey doesn't jump routes & doesn't seem to diagnose these type of situations, which he should if he 1) studies film & 2) applies what he sees to the games. Perhaps he doesn't know how. I don't know.

 

That said, unlike others, I'd have no problem drafting Ramsey at #6 overall.

 

I will give you this...I have no inside knowledge of the situation but I could see a situation to where Ramsey relies more on his football IQ and ability than he does film.  Having said that...just because he maybe didn't use the film well in college, does not mean that he won't work on that skill to apply the film knowledge to his already great awareness and IQ and improve on that as a Pro...he has things he needs to work on and this is one of them.

 

I think Alexander is a great cover corner. He does not get me excited however and what I mean is I don't know how much of a playmaker he is.  He is more of a preventer.  I think he sticks to receivers like glue he seems to almost always be in their hip which is great and it takes a certain athletic ability to do that which he obviously has...but I don't see the athletic ability to transcend above that and do something special.  I think he might recognize that as well too...which could lead to him watching more film and studying that way, trying to find an edge there.  He might look at it and say ok great I can stick my guy man to man all over the field, but I need a boost that can help put me in a position to get a turnover...so he studies more and more film..which you see by blowing up WR screens, he is always disrupting those WR screens basically standing next the WR before he even gets the ball.  When he knows what play is coming he is very decisive and quick to diffuse it and is a much more sure tackler, when he is just reacting he seems a bit more uncomfortable and is definitely not as willing to come up and make a tackle, that's when I see him struggle the most.

[Cillmatic]

Can he play zone?...

[ravensnation5220]

Can he play zone?...

eh not really lol, desmond king can though. Having said that i do think he can play cover 2. Kinda like the seahawks defense. And Leslie Fraziers type of defense lol, so if thats the case i think he can excell in that roll

[ravensnation5220]

I will give you this...I have no inside knowledge of the situation but I could see a situation to where Ramsey relies more on his football IQ and ability than he does film. Having said that...just because he maybe didn't use the film well in college, does not mean that he won't work on that skill to apply the film knowledge to his already great awareness and IQ and improve on that as a Pro...he has things he needs to work on and this is one of them.

I think Alexander is a great cover corner. He does not get me excited however and what I mean is I don't know how much of a playmaker he is. He is more of a preventer. I think he sticks to receivers like glue he seems to almost always be in their hip which is great and it takes a certain athletic ability to do that which he obviously has...but I don't see the athletic ability to transcend above that and do something special. I think he might recognize that as well too...which could lead to him watching more film and studying that way, trying to find an edge there. He might look at it and say ok great I can stick my guy man to man all over the field, but I need a boost that can help put me in a position to get a turnover...so he studies more and more film..which you see by blowing up WR screens, he is always disrupting those WR screens basically standing next the WR before he even gets the ball. When he knows what play is coming he is very decisive and quick to diffuse it and is a much more sure tackler, when he is just reacting he seems a bit more uncomfortable and is definitely not as willing to come up and make a tackle, that's when I see him struggle the most.

You pretty much showed how they both approach the game a different way. Just what do you like better for us. Personaly id prefer the guy who works and studies film, he seems more professional and refined than ramsey. The kid has notes on Clemsons receivers lol. Hes ready for the pros in my eyes

[Cillmatic]

eh not really lol, desmond king can though. Having said that i do think he can play cover 2. Kinda like the seahawks defense. And Leslie Fraziers type of defense lol, so if thats the case i think he can excell in that roll

We play zone, if he can't play zone I don't want him.

[nishadrahman13]

He wasn't asked to, so we don't know. Also, he isn't a traditional corner. At best he is a bigger and faster Tyrann Mathieu. At worst he is a bigger and faster Matt Elam. Thus the dilemma. One of the biggest boom or bust prospects in recent memory.

Edited January 19, 2016 by nishadrahman13

[ravensnation5220]

We play zone, if he can't play zone I don't want him.

i dont think hed be that bad. If we do draft him hes not going to play outside much. Hes going to be our hybrid safety and nickle corner which elam was supposed to be lol. He has the athletic ability to make up a ton of ground, and would look great with webb at fs, hill a ss, and ramsey roaming all over the feild. Its his best fit in our scheme and since we are thin at corner hes versitile enough to do it. Its his best ceiling i believe is if we use him in that roll like he was used his sophmore season at fsu, it was his best production in college. even though hes classified as a corner and plays there more often he projects better at the berry mathieu roll for a team that needs that kind of player on defense. We need that. If a team doesnt need that type of player they would take him as a corner but then his value drops

If hes there at 6 which is hard to say he will becuase its tough for me to see dallas and jax pass on him becuase they need the same thing in their secondary. So if he is we wont pass on him. Im beginning to truly believe that, unless bosa or tunsil are there it wouldnt matter ramsey would be the pick.

Edited January 19, 2016 by ravensnation5220

[Cillmatic]

i dont think hed be that bad. If we do draft him hes not going to play outside much. Hes going to be our hybrid safety and nickle corner which elam was supposed to be lol. He has the athletic ability to make up a ton of ground, and would look great with webb at fs, hill a ss, and ramsey roaming all over the feild. Its his best fit in our scheme and since we are thin at corner hes versitile enough to do it. Its his best ceiling i believe is if we use him in that roll like he was used his sophmore season at fsu, it was his best production in college. even though hes classified as a corner and plays there more often he projects better at the berry mathieu roll for a team that needs that kind of player on defense. We need that. If a team doesnt need that type of player they would take him as a corner but then his value drops

If hes there at 6 which is hard to say he will becuase its tough for me to see dallas and jax pass on him becuase they need the same thing in their secondary. So if he is we wont pass on him. Im beginning to truly believe that, unless bosa or tunsil are there it wouldnt matter ramsey would be the pick.

Webb at FS, Hill at SS and Ramsey Rooming and occasionally buckle... Who's playing corner?

[ravensnation5220]

He definitely is a football player. The difference between him & Ed Reed is Ed's work ethic & ability to study film. He honestly doesn't look like he studies film as much. He may not be capable of doing it, but I can't say that one way or another. I have no evidence of this & go strictly off of what I've seen & these mistakes I see him make that make me think he may not study film.

When I compare him to Alexander, of whom I know studies film, you can see Alexander does it. Alexander not only studies film, however, but applies what he sees in the games. This is such a critical aspect of his game that goes unnoticed. A player can study film all day, but if they can't apply what they see to games, then it is worthless. Ramsey doesn't jump routes & doesn't seem to diagnose these type of situations, which he should if he 1) studies film & 2) applies what he sees to the games. Perhaps he doesn't know how. I don't know.

That said, unlike others, I'd have no problem drafting Ramsey at #6 overall.

that is one of my favorite assets of alexander. He truly is a pro and an nfl ready prospect. I really admire his work ethic for such a talent like him. Not many people know he was a top 5 prospect commimg out of highschool either and he only strives to get better, im not sure theres a more dedicated player out there than alexander. Ramsey doesnt always show it, i see lack of hustle from him very often but he always seems to be full go in big time games. Stanley is another guy i feel iffy about. I feel he has a lack of motivation and is extremely inconsistent. He doesnt show that drive or passion i like to see, at least ramsey has passion and he shows plenty of it

[ravensnation5220]

Webb at FS, Hill at SS and Ramsey Rooming and occasionally buckle... Who's playing corner?

jimmy and odds are a rotation lol including ramsey and stay with the hot hand unless we draft someone else which could be likely like cyrus jones or even double dip and take ramsey then kendall fuller in the second if hes there. I mean no matter what we do we will have some holes in this team next year. Ramsey would just be able to help out a little bit everywhere

[January J]

I will give you this...I have no inside knowledge of the situation but I could see a situation to where Ramsey relies more on his football IQ and ability than he does film. Having said that...just because he maybe didn't use the film well in college, does not mean that he won't work on that skill to apply the film knowledge to his already great awareness and IQ and improve on that as a Pro...he has things he needs to work on and this is one of them.

I think Alexander is a great cover corner. He does not get me excited however and what I mean is I don't know how much of a playmaker he is. He is more of a preventer. I think he sticks to receivers like glue he seems to almost always be in their hip which is great and it takes a certain athletic ability to do that which he obviously has...but I don't see the athletic ability to transcend above that and do something special. I think he might recognize that as well too...which could lead to him watching more film and studying that way, trying to find an edge there. He might look at it and say ok great I can stick my guy man to man all over the field, but I need a boost that can help put me in a position to get a turnover...so he studies more and more film..which you see by blowing up WR screens, he is always disrupting those WR screens basically standing next the WR before he even gets the ball. When he knows what play is coming he is very decisive and quick to diffuse it and is a much more sure tackler, when he is just reacting he seems a bit more uncomfortable and is definitely not as willing to come up and make a tackle, that's when I see him struggle the most.

in a weird way i would almost rather have a "preventer" . As opposed to somebody who makes big plays but takes chances and misses often. I'd rather have discipline and consistency considering how our defense has performed the past few years.but then again we desperately need turnovers too so.... Edited January 19, 2016 by January J

[ravensnation5220]

in a weird way i would almost rather have a "preventer" . As opposed to somebody who makes big plays but takes chances and misses often. I'd rather have discipline and consistency considering how our defense has performed the past few years.but then again we desperately need turnovers too so....

thats the debate.....in ozzie we trust

[ravensnation5220]

I really think its just down to vh3, alexander, or ramsey. I think if Ramsey is there wed be hard pressed to pass on him.

http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/25294/leslies-fraziers-top-challenge-is-getting-more-interceptions-out-of-ravens-cornerbacks

We really need some help at corner. It doesnt really matter if alexander has no pick. Hes a great cover corner and would help jimmy smith play better and make his job easier it would fix a whole for years to come and might be the most important. The nfl has 4 teams left and they all have great secondary and corners like peterson, josh norman, chris harris aqib talib, and Malcolm butler and yes butler is a damn good corner, and we all know ozzie loves his corners this has to be the answer this draft.

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

Can he play zone?...

 

I am not saying that he CAN'T play zone.  But I know the majority of the time he was up in the WRs face getting a little jam on him and sticking on him and running with them.  Like I was saying I think he sometimes gets into no man's land when he is playing off man and reacting instead of more dictating the outcome...I am not saying he can't play zone because he is a talented defensive back with a good understand of the game and I am sure he would be able to pick it up but right now looking at his film he is much more comfortable playing up on the man, and gets lost sometimes when he is off.

[Cillmatic]

I am not saying that he CAN'T play zone. But I know the majority of the time he was up in the WRs face getting a little jam on him and sticking on him and running with them. Like I was saying I think he sometimes gets into no man's land when he is playing off man and reacting instead of more dictating the outcome...I am not saying he can't play zone because he is a talented defensive back with a good understand of the game and I am sure he would be able to pick it up but right now looking at his film he is much more comfortable playing up on the man, and gets lost sometimes when he is off.

If he can't play zone like a pro he's not worth taking, especially at #6 overall; safeties NEED to be able to play zone at a high level to succeed.

[JoeyFlex5]

If he can't play zone like a pro he's not worth taking, especially at #6 overall; safeties NEED to be able to play zone at a high level to succeed.

revis is pretty average in zone coverage.

[BmoreBird22]

revis is pretty average in zone coverage.

I'd disagree, but he's definitely more of a dominant press man corner than anything else.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd disagree, but he's definitely more of a dominant press man corner than anything else.

hes great in press but i wouldnt call him a press corner, hes just a shutdown corner in general, any kind of man coverage and hes nearly impossible to beat (unless ur steve smith apparently). but in tampa when he was asked to play a lot of zone he really was average, granted they had nothing to offer anywhere on defense and they were still asking him to play out of character, but he was average nonetheless, and the whole league knew it which is why he went to more scheme friendly teams under fat contracts lol