Jalen Ramsey - most polarizing prospect among ravens fans.

[JoeyFlex5]

Lol, man, Ramsey is like an ex you once loved and thought they were everything and now something happened and you don't like them anymore because they're with someone else.

lol right? I still like the kid and his ceiling is multi DPOY. But I also think buckners ceiling is just as high and he has much less red flags and may fill just as much of a need if not more. Ramsey just scares me because I worry that he will be asked to play a role in which he thinks he can do more than He is capable of, if he is pushed to play FS and he has a do it all mentality then I can envision him being a big liability

[beanfigger]

I want him. I'd take the "risk".

[rmw10]

I want him. I'd take the "risk".

 

Yeah, I'm with you.  "Risk"

[allblackraven]

I want him. I'd take the "risk".

Yeah, I'm with you.  "Risk"

Definitely not the worst that could happen to us at #6.

[January J]

A lot of people are startin to act like they would be disappointed if we got ramsey. Obviously there's some risk but also potential reward...and In reality we really should be excited about any of the top guys.. for once we are guarenteed that somebody we really covet will fall to us inevitably. 6 is a good spot to be..esp one spot before San fran..we are in prime position guys..and we are going to come away with pretty much two first round picks and multiple studs..I'm stoked and will really be satisfied with any of the top 5 or 6 prospects.

[Dubs]

I was a big questioner of Ramsey early on and was adament he was a S only and would prefer several guys before him but I am starting to rethink my position on him.

 

My new thoughts are...for our scheme I actually think he is better suited to play CB, I think our D is at its best when our CBs can play zone and press. This year Jimmy Smith seemed to trail and get desperate on many deep balls--I think at this point in his career and style he is best in zone, give up some underneath and some inside stuff knowing the LBs are there to clean up and at a certain point receivers will wear and tire down. I think this scheme would also match Jalen Ramsey best.

 

I actually think James Winstons comment on him being "Richard Sherman like" is not too far off. He is similar in size, and from my estimates speed. They both are very good at using their lengthy arms off the LOS, not to beat up a guy but push them to the perimeter and use the sideline to their advantage. This may be my favourite thing as I watch him now. There are few corners who take away this kind of space from the receiver. It is one tough through for a QB when the guy is locked up against the sideline whether it is deep, on a comeback, or a back shoulder. I do think he is susceptible to inside and crossing routes (similar to Sherman if asked to follow in man). Like others his attitude scares the heck out of me but I think at this point after re-watching I think he is the best fit for our team at CB, and I would take him over VHIII and Alexander. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I do agree that he is a stud when it comes to cutting out space. That was and still is my favorite skill of his in coverage, but it worries me that he won't be able to fluidly recover when he gets beat on occasion because he has no backpedal

[ravenz2752]

I do not understand why everyone hates him. He is the biggest playmaker available 

[thieverycorporation]

I read an interesting article (ESPN) today which addressed the notion that Ozzie may not want to reinvest in the safety position on the premise that he's already over payed to do so. I tend to agree. Not @ 6. We currently have Elam, Brooks, Webb, K. lewis, and Will Hill. That's a lot of players for 2/3 positions. If they went that route would it make sense to draft one that high? I don't think so. And if they did so wouldn't it be advantageous to select one that almost matches the top prospects upside.

[rmw10]

I read an interesting article (ESPN) today which addressed the notion that Ozzie may not want to reinvest in the safety position on the premise that he's already over payed to do so. I tend to agree. Not @ 6. We currently have Elam, Brooks, Webb, K. lewis, and Will Hill. That's a lot of players for 2/3 positions. If they went that route would it make sense to draft one that high? I don't think so. And if they did so wouldn't it be advantageous to select one that almost matches the top prospects upside.

 

Doesn't matter what you have if none of them have really stood out.  If you get a chance at an elite S, I see no harm in taking him if that's the BPA.  An elite S can be the biggest help to a defense.

[Sizzlebshu]

I really like Ramsey. He reminds me a lot of Talib. He needs work but it's not like he can't do it. His potential is through the roof but I do see a very boom/bust prospect. I think the concerns about him not playing FS in college are exaggerated. It's a true statement but that doesn't mean he can't. Not saying you're saying that btw.

Completely off topic, but you watchced a lot of arthur brown tape right? Watching jack, i want to go back and watch brown and compare but im hoping you can just lmk so i dont have to bother. Thoughts?

Fwiw i sont think they are similar but these undersized linebackers aleays worry me. In particular in terms of block shedding.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[Sizzlebshu]

I read an interesting article (ESPN) today which addressed the notion that Ozzie may not want to reinvest in the safety position on the premise that he's already over payed to do so. I tend to agree. Not @ 6. We currently have Elam, Brooks, Webb, K. lewis, and Will Hill. That's a lot of players for 2/3 positions. If they went that route would it make sense to draft one that high? I don't think so. And if they did so wouldn't it be advantageous to select one that almost matches the top prospects upside.

Been there, said this

To those saying it doesnt matter if none of them are good, i have two words for you:

Player development

Edited January 13, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[GrimCoconut]

Completely off topic, but you watchced a lot of arthur brown tape right? Watching jack, i want to go back and watch brown and compare but im hoping you can just lmk so i dont have to bother. Thoughts?

Fwiw i sont think they are similar but these undersized linebackers aleays worry me. In particular in terms of block shedding.

I've thought the same but the difference is that Arthur Brown covered well and could QB spy but was never the playmaker Jack is and isn't as good in coverage as Jack. Jack's superior in every facet. I need to go back and watch Jack to key in on him to see if he was clean or if he beat blocks. Brown was mostly kept clean by his DL but I thought he could still shed.

I don't think that's the issue with Brown, though, since he showed he can shed this preseason. My question are his instincts. I think I overlooked areas where I felt he lacked some instincts and assumed he'd be okay. Clearly that was a learning lesson for me. Arthur just makes bad reads at times. I'm not sure he studies enough film.

[thieverycorporation]

Been there, said this

To those saying it doesnt matter if none of them are good, i have two words for you:

Player development

No doubt. It plays a major part and the plug in play doesn't exist in every instance. The college game doesn't always translate easily into the NFL immediately. I totally agree. If they get another Safety he'd better pan out ! I'm not on board with a safety @ pick 6.  Ramsey or not.

[allblackraven]

Been there, said this

To those saying it doesnt matter if none of them are good, i have two words for you:

Player development

No doubt. It plays a major part and the plug in play doesn't exist in every instance. The college game doesn't always translate easily into the NFL immediately. I totally agree. If they get another Safety he'd better pan out ! I'm not on board with a safety @ pick 6.  Ramsey or not.

How would you feel about it if the Ravens can persuade Ed Reed to take the DB coaching job this or next year?

[RavensDieHard21]

Worst case Ontario, he would be a Tyrann Mathieu 2.0, but much stronger and physical. If for some reason he magically slipped into mid first round because other GMs realize taking a guy most believe won't play Corner is crazy, I'd be for trading back and getting him if we get an additional second round pick. Staying put at 6 and making the gamble is tough, but if we get extra early picks and have the chance to grab a jack of all trades, whom can make game changing plays, then let it rip!

Edited January 13, 2016 by RavensDieHard21

[JoeyFlex5]

Worst case Ontario, he would be a Tyrann Mathieu 2.0, but much stronger and physical. If for some reason he magically slipped into mid first round because other GMs realize taking a guy most believe won't play Corner is crazy, I'd be for trading back and getting him if we get an additional second round pick. Staying put at 6 and making the gamble is tough, but if we get extra early picks and have the chance to grab a jack of all trades, whom can make game changing plays, then let it rip!

quoted for the TPB reference

[usmccharles]

How would you feel about it if the Ravens can persuade Ed Reed to take the DB coaching job this or next year?

Players like him and Ray, imo, its extremely hard for them to teach.  They can give certain pointers and teach film study which is obviously extremely important.  But they both were so great because they had such great instincts while doing so much film study, you cant teach instincts but you can teach a player to learn others tendencies.  We really had the most perfect combo possible with Ray up front and Ed in the back. 

[RavensFanMania]

I'm not a big college football guy. Who is a safety that Ramsey compares to coming out? Earl Thomas?

I see a Tyrann Marhieu type in the right hybrid scheme.

[Cillmatic]

I'd rather have a player that can play a position. Not gonna waste a top pick on a player who can't play a position and will be forced to play star which only one other player in the league is really good at.

[RavensFanMania]

yeah it seems like the lazy/easy comparison at times, but its a pretty strong comparison. they have nearly identical playstyles, but i do think in that role that mathieu is used in(just a wild attack dog) ramsey has a higher ceiling, however i dont think he will be able to execute a more traditional role as effectively as mathieu can.

I agree with his completely.

Edited January 13, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[thieverycorporation]

How would you feel about it if the Ravens can persuade Ed Reed to take the DB coaching job this or next year?

I think its plausible that Reed could help to develop our players as he would have a head start on the terminology and schemes we tend to employ. If he was utilized as a consultant maybe the better avenue. I don't know if he would be deemed a coach and would be able to get some off season work in with those that volunteered and used off site training methods. I do believe he'd be an asset. He also offers the ability to actually suit up and demonstrate technique and methods to play the position. Most importantly he'd be able to help them in identifying opponents schemes and tendencies thru film study and past battles.

[ravefan52]

Worst case Ontario, he would be a Tyrann Mathieu 2.0, but much stronger and physical. If for some reason he magically slipped into mid first round because other GMs realize taking a guy most believe won't play Corner is crazy, I'd be for trading back and getting him if we get an additional second round pick. Staying put at 6 and making the gamble is tough, but if we get extra early picks and have the chance to grab a jack of all trades, whom can make game changing plays, then let it rip!

Worst case scenario??That's like best case.

[January J]

How would you feel about it if the Ravens can persuade Ed Reed to take the DB coaching job this or next year?

  

I think its plausible that Reed could help to develop our players as he would have a head start on the terminology and schemes we tend to employ. If he was utilized as a consultant maybe the better avenue. I don't know if he would be deemed a coach and would be able to get some off season work in with those that volunteered and used off site training methods. I do believe he'd be an asset. He also offers the ability to actually suit up and demonstrate technique and methods to play the position. Most importantly he'd be able to help them in identifying opponents schemes and tendencies thru film study and past battles.

not sure if there's any truth to it- but I just heard that ed reed was hired by the bills as the assistant secondary coach. ? could be b.s but that's the word.

[allblackraven]

  not sure if there's any truth to it- but I just heard that ed reed was hired by the bills as the assistant secondary coach. ? could be b.s but that's the word.

It's not b.s. - that happened and I am pissed off.

Edited January 14, 2016 by allblackraven

[JoeyFlex5]

It's not b.s. - that happened and I am pissed off.

idk who to be mad at, the bills or the ravens or ed...

[allblackraven]

idk who to be mad at, the bills or the ravens or ed...

Let me help... try Dean Pees

[thieverycorporation]

idk who to be mad at, the bills or the ravens or ed...

You've got to add that blunder to the Ravens organization. They don't think outside the box sometimes. And it's right there in their face most times. Ed's just wants to contribute to the game he loves and Rex recognized the value in haven him aboard. Our loss. I don't know that he would have meshed here anyway. I think the Pee's factor played a factor.

Edited January 14, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[Inqui]

idk who to be mad at, the bills or the ravens or ed...

I blame Joe's contract.

[PurpleCity5]

I wonder how we will use Ramsey. I've made a Tyrann Mathieu comparison and thats who Ransey reminds me of, a S/CB hybrid who can do it all on the field. I do worry but the other things, specifically his on-field mentality and how he can handle his aggression. Its the little things that can hurt you. With that said if we do pick Ramsey I'll be excited.