Justin Tucker: The First of Many Salary Cap Casualties (Opinion)

[gabrielgrissom]

Lol you are hilarious. Do you have any idea how much the current franchise tag is for a kicker like Justin Tucker. Well it's around $4 mil and we can't afford that. Sheesh

  Who would you in the league prefer kicking the football? Gostkowski? He's getting played 4-5 million. Come on dude.

Flacco restructure? How do you even know he will agree to one? Come on Man

  Well if you followed the team during ota's and the off season last year you heard flacco say we'll get some type of restructure done I'm not concerned about my cap number at all for next year...

Billy Cundiff.

 

Sign Tucker.

  yup... Nuff said

So 15.2 million(though I do agree with the Forsett thing).. 

 

 

Okay. With those we can easily get back Tucker.

I don't know why these forums are so content on cutting forsett... I know the idea of buck Allen is great but I'm not sold on buck's vision... That's what this run scheme is completely based on... Finding the right hole off combination blocks making one cut and going... He ran the same thing down In USC but I like buck as a backup to forsett and a passing down back... Let's not forget forsett is one of the best backs in the league in pass pro and is lightyears beyond buck at that element... If anyone goes it might be LT...

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

  Who would you in the league prefer kicking the football? Gostkowski? He's getting played 4-5 million. Come on dude.  Well if you followed the team during ota's and the off season last year you heard flacco say we'll get some type of restructure done I'm not concerned about my cap number at all for next year...  yup... Nuff said I don't know why these forums are so content on cutting forsett... I know the idea of buck Allen is great but I'm not sold on buck's vision... That's what this run scheme is completely based on... Finding the right hole off combination blocks making one cut and going... He ran the same thing down In USC but I like buck as a backup to forsett and a passing down back... Let's not forget forsett is one of the best backs in the league in pass pro and is lightyears beyond buck at that element... If anyone goes it might be LT...

Because tbh. Forsett is a mediocre back who Kubiak made look better than he actually is. He isn't bad. But Buck's ceiling is a lot higher and he has flashed. I want to keep him for various reasons, but I'm saying it's likely. 

[January J]

Because tbh. Forsett is a mediocre back who Kubiak made look better than he actually is. He isn't bad. But Buck's ceiling is a lot higher and he has flashed. I want to keep him for various reasons, but I'm saying it's likely.

forsett is a lot better than ppl give him credit for. The line was playing pretty poorly the first half of the season and wasn't giving him much of a chance. And yet he still was on pace for over 1K

[Sherly_Tebow]

I think we keep Tucker, I'd be shocked if he wasn't on the team next year. Forsett stays too. I can say that confidently. He's the leadership for our RB core.

[rmw10]

Because tbh. Forsett is a mediocre back who Kubiak made look better than he actually is. He isn't bad. But Buck's ceiling is a lot higher and he has flashed. I want to keep him for various reasons, but I'm saying it's likely. 

 

My biggest question with Buck right now is his second gear, or lack thereof.  I haven't seen that show up yet.  He can get to the second level but I haven't seen him break through the second level.  Forsett isn't a track athlete, but he does have another gear to make guys miss and have to run and chase.  That's something I haven't seen from Buck and the reason why I wouldn't be comfortable running him as the full time back just yet.  I think Forsett has value for one more year.

[lgcs27288]

We need to use the forsett...     Ill see my way out... 

[gabrielgrissom]

Because tbh. Forsett is a mediocre back who Kubiak made look better than he actually is. He isn't bad. But Buck's ceiling is a lot higher and he has flashed. I want to keep him for various reasons, but I'm saying it's likely.

But forsett is better than buck allen is right now... Buck is not at all consistent in finding the wholes... Its like he never cuts back yeah I like buck in space better than forsett is but when our line Runs the zone scheme I mean who do u want honestly if u think we should cut forsett... I question your knowledge of whats right for the team

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

But forsett is better than buck allen is right now... Buck is not at all consistent in finding the wholes... Its like he never cuts back yeah I like buck in space better than forsett is but when our line Runs the zone scheme I mean who do u want honestly if u think we should cut forsett... I question your knowledge of whats right for the team

I want to keep him. I'm saying there's a strong possibility he's cut. I think/hope Monroe is first to go. Because Buck is a mentor, he's good in pass pro, he's not bad. I think Buck is eventually going to overtake him. But there's a possibility he's gone

[gabrielgrissom]

I want to keep him. I'm saying there's a strong possibility he's cut. I think/hope Monroe is first to go. Because Buck is a mentor, he's good in pass pro, he's not bad. I think Buck is eventually going to overtake him. But there's a possibility he's gone

well your talking like forsett can't run the ball though he can run it as good as buck can if not better

[BmoreBird22]

Where's the Kevin Spacey Lex Luthor "Wrong" when you need it. I'm sorry but he's a kicker. Worst case scenario we franchise him for pennies. 

Wouldn't the tag be almost $5M against the cap? That's not something I'd use on a kicker who's so inconsistent at home

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

well your talking like forsett can't run the ball though he can run it as good as buck can if not better

No, I'm saying that Kubiak just made him look better than he was. It happens. If you have good oline play, you can get a good run game going. I'm saying we could do better.. And I think Buck is GOING to be better. When that is, IDK. But I want Justin for at least another year. He's good as a mentor, a decent runner, and great in pass pro. I just hope that Allen pulls a Ray Rice(not that one) and succeeds him before the season starts.

 

I'm saying that because I wouldn't be infuriated if we cut him. Hell, I thought we were going to let him go last year. Was happy we didn't, but I don't think he's as good as you're making him out to be. He's not bad either. He's a solid RB who looked great when we got him a great line. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Wouldn't the tag be almost $5M against the cap? That's not something I'd use on a kicker who's so inconsistent at home

That's the worst case scenario imo. And I thought it was 4 million? I think we get a deal out before that.

 

And I would. Inconsistent at home or not. That guy's money when the game is on the line. I'll take that. He's had one true down year. 

Edited January 4, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[BmoreBird22]

That's the worst case scenario imo. And I thought it was 4 million? I think we get a deal out before that.

 

And I would. Inconsistent at home or not. That guy's money when the game is on the line. I'll take that. He's had one true down year. 

It was $4.12M last year and with Gostowski's new deal, it'll only go up. Probably not $5M, but we could be talking $4.5. 

That's too rich for me.

 

And it's not even just inconsistency. He's abysmal from over 50 at home. I think he's made like one the past three years.

[gabrielgrissom]

No, I'm saying that Kubiak just made him look better than he was. It happens. If you have good oline play, you can get a good run game going. I'm saying we could do better.. And I think Buck is GOING to be better. When that is, IDK. But I want Justin for at least another year. He's good as a mentor, a decent runner, and great in pass pro. I just hope that Allen pulls a Ray Rice(not that one) and succeeds him before the season starts.

 

I'm saying that because I wouldn't be infuriated if we cut him. Hell, I thought we were going to let him go last year. Was happy we didn't, but I don't think he's as good as you're making him out to be. He's not bad either. He's a solid RB who looked great when we got him a great line.

Buck Allen would be better in kubs system and vice versa... Let me ask you this though... Do you think they plan on moving on from forsett ... That's the question you must ask yourself before you say this and this might happen

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

It was $4.12M last year and with Gostowski's new deal, it'll only go up. Probably not $5M, but we could be talking $4.5. 

That's too rich for me.

 

And it's not even just inconsistency. He's abysmal from over 50 at home. I think he's made like one the past three years.

Dude, kicking past 50 from anywhere is hard. Especially in our stadium. Not exactly an easy place to kick. 

 

I think we get him for that amount. May be too rich for you, but if the game is on the line. I'll put my money on Tucker.

 

I'm sorry. I want stability at Kicker. I don't want another Cundiff/Hauschka situation. Only kicker I'd honestly rather have at this point is Gostowski.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Buck Allen would be better in kubs system and vice versa... Let me ask you this though... Do you think they plan on moving on from forsett ... That's the question you must ask yourself before you say this and this might happen

Yes... I do. It's simple really. We have a top pick, and this is a pretty good RB class. If we feel Buck isn't ready, and want to save some money(albiet it's not much), then Forsett will go. Running back is one of the easier positions in the NFL to replace. And tbh. I think he's replaceable. If Ozzie Newsome has his heart set on Ekezil Elliot in round two, or a James Connor so on and so forth, and he takes him, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. If Harbaugh goes, "yeah. Buck is ready". Then I think Forsett goes to a team where he could be a starter(Denver?). 

 

It's a circumstantial yes... But I think under the correct circumstances we are ready to move on

[JO_75]

Lol you are hilarious. Do you have any idea how much the current franchise tag is for a kicker like Justin Tucker. Well it's around $4 mil and we can't afford that. Sheesh

 

Are you ever positive about this team? 

[1/28/01]

Click bait and he's good at it. No real substance, though.

[beanfigger]

Click bait and he's good at it. No real substance, though.

I just love that there are threads devoted to these same subjects for group discussions, but this guy manages to create separate ones specifically for his own thoughts and opinions. People seem to enjoy them, though, judging from the page counts and spirited debates. I've tried a couple times to engage in actual informative conversations on these threads, but that is always a fool's errand it seems.

[usmccharles]

It's been clear that the wizard doesn't understand salary cap and Contracts. Jacket tried to break it down before.... But at least I learned something.

We already lack a pass rush and your set to cut doom to save 2mill... Genius

[BmoreBird22]

Dude, kicking past 50 from anywhere is hard. Especially in our stadium. Not exactly an easy place to kick. 

I'm not saying it's easy, but when he can do it almost automatically on the road, especially in a place like Pittsburgh (the hardest stadium to kick in), there's an issue with not doing it at home.

[gabrielgrissom]

Yes... I do. It's simple really. We have a top pick, and this is a pretty good RB class. If we feel Buck isn't ready, and want to save some money(albiet it's not much), then Forsett will go. Running back is one of the easier positions in the NFL to replace. And tbh. I think he's replaceable. If Ozzie Newsome has his heart set on Ekezil Elliot in round two, or a James Connor so on and so forth, and he takes him, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. If Harbaugh goes, "yeah. Buck is ready". Then I think Forsett goes to a team where he could be a starter(Denver?). 

 

It's a circumstantial yes... But I think under the correct circumstances we are ready to move on

But I don't think buck is near forsett though now if your talking next year or the year after mainly the year after I could see it... But defiantly not next year...

[redrum52]

He's a FA so how can he be cut?

[usmccharles]

He's a FA so how can he be cut?

bc he's delusional and refuses to learn how contracts/caps work

[allblackraven]

It's widely understood by most members of these boards know the the "wizard" has absolutely zero understanding or desire to understand an NFL salary cap and how teams deal with it.

So if you're new...take this thread with a huge grain of salt. In particular, take note of the fact that a player, by definition, can't be a salary cap casualty if they aren't under contract, which Tucker is not.

As a general rule of thumb, if you can't get the headline correct, the rest of the thread is doomed.

If you continued reading, you'd notice we were able to somehow cut another FA (KO). Made a lot of cap room, like in Tucker's case.

[Winchester]

We're not getting rid of Webb either, he is making a permanent switch to FS and harbaugh has made it pretty clear that he will be part of our plans going forward. Same with forsett- no way do I trust buck/ west / LT as our rb corps. We need the veteran leadrship. Justin, sss , and suggs will all be back with a vengeance and have something to prove.

I'm not even sure we don't keep Pitta on, kinda iffy right now. Most would say no but i think he could be a nice asset to have as depth incase crock gets injured ( which happened frequently this year) or if Boyle gets suspended again.

Anyway , shouldn't this be in the 2016 thread? Somebody likes the extra attention.

Forsett and Webb are gone. Can't keep paying declining players. Have to trust the drafting and get it right at some point. Forsett will be 31 and was never special. Running backs are found off practice squad running for 250 yards. By playoffs next yr Buck is the #1 anyways. If ravens were notbso tight against the cap Forsett could return. Butt that $$ could perhaps help bring aboard an Eric weddle or zack brown or somebody. Webb looked slow today and did not impress. Ravens have to find talent and stop paying declining players. Brown and Mosley would really help the secondary in coverage. 2 LBs with 4.50-4.60 speed to cover zones where LBs typically can not get to. Mosley will likely work with dbacks this offseason like Gilmore worked with lineman. One thing bout Harbs he challenges his players to work hard and get better during the offseason. NFLs best kept defensive secret.... QBs hate dealing with a tandem of LBs with range of safety's!! LBs in areas not supposed to is like having extra players on defense when QB must beware of players he normally is not dealing with. Brown and Mosley would be huge in helping the dbacks. Then in turn Zadarius leans out to increase his speed and range to play olb and ravens have a budding fast team of LBs. Then if ravens could hit on a fast rush olb the ravens LBs would all be fast playmakers with range. Zadarius will be a double digit sack player with a non stop motor that could make plays all over once he leans out to olb play weight. Would really compliment Mosley and Zack Brown. Ravens will only need to find one rush OLB. On offense ravens are legit playmaker at receiver away from being elite.

[ellicottraven]

We can't afford to re-sign Justin Tucker. He will be one of many salary cap casualties. Here is my list of current players who will not be on Septembers 53 man roster.

 

1, Chris Canty

2. Elvis Dumervil

3. Dennis Pitta

4. Marlon Brown

5. Matt Schaub

6.Michael Campanaro

7.Matt Elam

8.Kelechi Osemeli

9.Terrence West

10.Chris Mathews.

 

There are 15 other players who were signed as stop-gap measures that will not make this team in September either. So basically almost half the squad will be gone.

Why don't you just add the whole roster and be done with it. Easier isn't it?

[Winchester]

forsett is a lot better than ppl give him credit for. The line was playing pretty poorly the first half of the season and wasn't giving him much of a chance. And yet he still was on pace for over 1K

He will be 31. He played that one magical season. He could realistically be outplayed by Buck if he is brought back. If Forsett wasn't already a Raven would you want to run out and pay him over $3mil?? Or draft a running back in mid rounds. He is a leader and would like to keep him but ravens are to pressed against the salary wall and have to many needs to pay him. $30mil in money to play with and ravens could pay him.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

He will be 31. He played that one magical season. He could realistically be outplayed by Buck if he is brought back. If Forsett wasn't already a Raven would you want to run out and pay him over $3mil?? Or draft a running back in mid rounds. He is a leader and would like to keep him but ravens are to pressed against the salary wall and have to many needs to pay him. $30mil in money to play with and ravens could pay him.

I hate to contradict my argument from earlier but Forsett hasn't had many career touches. He's got another good year or two left in him if he has a good line. Not as much wear and tear.

Still think he could be cut. But I hope he isn't.

[Winchester]

My point, play a running back who does not need a good line and running behind the ravens line makes him that much more awesome. I really like Forsett but ravens are tight against the wall with to many needs. He is not going to be as good as 2014 and running backs are not hard to find. Especially ones who can run behind a good line. And use the money elsewhere.