Justin Tucker: The First of Many Salary Cap Casualties (Opinion)

[wizard1]

We can't afford to re-sign Justin Tucker. He will be one of many salary cap casualties. Here is my list of current players who will not be on Septembers 53 man roster.

 

1, Chris Canty

2. Elvis Dumervil

3. Dennis Pitta

4. Marlon Brown

5. Matt Schaub

6.Michael Campanaro

7.Matt Elam

8.Kelechi Osemeli

9.Terrence West

10.Chris Mathews.

 

There are 15 other players who were signed as stop-gap measures that will not make this team in September either. So basically almost half the squad will be gone.

[RivenHale]

Incorrect.

[Kid87]

Doom?

[Wildabeast88]

We can't afford to re-sign Justin Tucker. He will be one of many salary cap casualties. Here is my list of current players who will not be on Septembers 53 man roster.

1, Chris Canty

2. Elvis Dumervil

3. Dennis Pitta

4. Marlon Brown

5. Matt Schaub

6.Michael Campanaro

7.Matt Elam

8.Kelechi Osemeli

9.Terrence West

10.Chris Mathews.

There are 15 other players who were signed as stop-gap measures that will not make this team in September either. So basically almost half the squad will be gone.

Most of these guys don't save us much money guys like Camp West and Elam are all still cheap options on their rookie contracts so why get rid of them especially if someone like Elam plays well and then walks possibly getting us a comp pick Edited January 4, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Where's the Kevin Spacey Lex Luthor "Wrong" when you need it. I'm sorry but he's a kicker. Worst case scenario we franchise him for pennies. 

 

That being said. Here's who I think gets cut/we don't retain.

Justin Forsett(you may want to keep him but I think he's gone)

Dennis Pitta(June 1st)(injured)

Ladarius Webb(injury prone)

Matt Elam (scrub)

Matt Schaub(scrub)

Chris Canty(old)

I think Monroe is traded(doesn't want to be here) 

 

That should open up room at the very least to retain TUCKER... A KICKER.

 

Whether we can get KO back is different. Also. West, Matthews, and Camp are unbelievably cheap. 

 

I question your knowledge of how the cap works. 

[1/28/01]

I question your knowledge of how the cap works.

There is none...knowledge on how the cap works that is. It's been made very apparent on many threads.

[Wildabeast88]

Where's the Kevin Spacey Lex Luthor "Wrong" when you need it. I'm sorry but he's a kicker. Worst case scenario we franchise him for pennies. 

 

That being said. Here's who I think gets cut/we don't retain.

Justin Forsett(you may want to keep him but I think he's gone)

Dennis Pitta(June 1st)(injured)

Ladarius Webb(injury prone)

Matt Elam (scrub)

Matt Schaub(scrub)

Chris Canty(old)

I think Monroe is traded(doesn't want to be here) 

 

That should open up room at the very least to retain TUCKER... A KICKER.

 

Whether we can get KO back is different. Also. West, Matthews, and Camp are unbelievably cheap. 

 

I question your knowledge of how the cap works.

the only issues here are if Pitta retires what are we on the hook for and Webb and Monroe would carry a fair amount of dead money

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

There is none...knowledge on how the cap works that is. It's been made very apparent on many threads.

The people I proposed to release are ones we can afford to.

Buck has talent. I think he's going to eventually overtake Forsett anyway. And we have depth at RB

We have three young TEs. All have flashed.

Webb is no good to us not healthy and he's deteriorating anyway. 

Elam sucks and we have depth at SS. Hell, he wouldn't even start. 

Mallet>Schaub. 

Canty is old and Davis and Ubran are in the wings.

 

What's problematic is Monroe. But that opens up a lot of cap room. Like 15 million I think(someone fact check this). MORE than enough to resign A KICKER.

 

This is before you factor in a contract restructure for Flacco. 

[wizard1]

Where's the Kevin Spacey Lex Luthor "Wrong" when you need it. I'm sorry but he's a kicker. Worst case scenario we franchise him for pennies. 

 

That being said. Here's who I think gets cut/we don't retain.

Justin Forsett(you may want to keep him but I think he's gone)

Dennis Pitta(June 1st)(injured)

Ladarius Webb(injury prone)

Matt Elam (scrub)

Matt Schaub(scrub)

Chris Canty(old)

I think Monroe is traded(doesn't want to be here) 

 

That should open up room at the very least to retain TUCKER... A KICKER.

 

Whether we can get KO back is different. Also. West, Matthews, and Camp are unbelievably cheap. 

 

I question your knowledge of how the cap works. 

 

Lol you are hilarious. Do you have any idea how much the current franchise tag is for a kicker like Justin Tucker. Well it's around $4 mil and we can't afford that. Sheesh

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Lol you are hilarious. Do you have any idea how much the current franchise tag is for a kicker like Justin Tucker. Well it's around $4 mil and we can't afford that. Sheesh

After the cuts I proposed we can.. Easily

[wizard1]

The people I proposed to release are ones we can afford to.

Buck has talent. I think he's going to eventually overtake Forsett anyway. And we have depth at RB

We have three young TEs. All have flashed.

Webb is no good to us not healthy and he's deteriorating anyway. 

Elam sucks and we have depth at SS. Hell, he wouldn't even start. 

Mallet>Schaub. 

Canty is old and Davis and Ubran are in the wings.

 

What's problematic is Monroe. But that opens up a lot of cap room. Like 15 million I think(someone fact check this). MORE than enough to resign A KICKER.

 

This is before you factor in a contract restructure for Flacco. 

 

Flacco restructure? How do you even know he will agree to one? Come on Man

[OUravensfan]

Billy Cundiff.

 

Sign Tucker.

[rmcjacket23]

It's widely understood by most members of these boards know the the "wizard" has absolutely zero understanding or desire to understand an NFL salary cap and how teams deal with it.

So if you're new...take this thread with a huge grain of salt. In particular, take note of the fact that a player, by definition, can't be a salary cap casualty if they aren't under contract, which Tucker is not.

As a general rule of thumb, if you can't get the headline correct, the rest of the thread is doomed.

[rmcjacket23]

Flacco restructure? How do you even know he will agree to one? Come on Man

Probably because Joe will make significantly more money.

That's kind of a big deal for NFL players.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Flacco restructure? How do you even know he will agree to one? Come on Man

He probably will. He's not a greedy guy. In fact, he kind of lacks a personality in all totality. I think even he knows that it would be necessary for him to take less in order for the team to be good. And even if you cut $5 million a year from his salary. He's making more than I will in 12 lifetimes.

That's not my point though. We are going to have cuts, but we'll cut the fat. We won't miss most of the guys I have proposed(except for Forsett and possibly Webb), and we'd have a good heap of money.

Oh, I can play that game too.

"Tucker gone? How do you know that will happen. Come on man".

Edited January 4, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[rmw10]

This is a fun thread already.  Never mind the whole Tucker ordeal, but we're getting rid of quality depth on their rookie contracts why exactly?  That doesn't even mention the pass rusher that we surely couldn't replace for the minimal cap space we'd gain.

[Tank 92]

Isn't it time for wizards to go to lairs or where ever they go?  lol

[rmcjacket23]

This is a fun thread already.  Never mind the whole Tucker ordeal, but we're getting rid of quality depth on their rookie contracts why exactly?  That doesn't even mention the pass rusher that we surely couldn't replace for the minimal cap space we'd gain.

When you don't know or understand the cap impact of cutting players, you can just literally pick anybody you want to cut.

It's like playing Madden...

[ravensnick]

Good news is we stop paying for Rice's penalty against the cap. Bad news is we likely take on Pitta's. 

[Wildabeast88]

Where's the Kevin Spacey Lex Luthor "Wrong" when you need it. I'm sorry but he's a kicker. Worst case scenario we franchise him for pennies.

That being said. Here's who I think gets cut/we don't retain.

Justin Forsett(you may want to keep him but I think he's gone)

Dennis Pitta(June 1st)(injured)

Ladarius Webb(injury prone)

Matt Elam (scrub)

Matt Schaub(scrub)

Chris Canty(old)

I think Monroe is traded(doesn't want to be here)

That should open up room at the very least to retain TUCKER... A KICKER.

Whether we can get KO back is different. Also. West, Matthews, and Camp are unbelievably cheap.

I question your knowledge of how the cap works.

per overthecap.com

Webb 3.5mil saving 6mil dead post June 1 4 mil dead 5.5 mil save

Monroe save 2.1mil 6.6mil dead post June 1 2.2mil dead 6.5mil save

Pitta save 600k dead 6mil post June 1save 5mil 2.2 dead

Elam save 1.3 mil 837k dead same post June1

Forsett save 2.3mil 1.4mil dead post June 1 save 3mil 700k dead I like Buck but I think keep Forsett for production and leadership remember Pierce and Rice Pierce was great 1st year sucked afterwards I would like to see Buck do it 1 more year before getting rid of Justin

Edited January 4, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

per overthecap.com

Webb 3.5mil saving 6mil dead post June 1 4 mil dead 5.5 mil save

Monroe save 2.1mil 6.6mil dead post June 1 2.2mil dead 6.5mil save

Pitta save 600k dead 6mil post June 1save 5mil 2.2 dead

Elam save 1.3 mil 837k dead same post June1

Forsett save 2.3mil 1.4mil dead post June 1 save 3mil 700k dead I like Buck but I think keep Forsett for production and leadership remember Pierce and Rice Pierce was great 1st year sucked afterwards I would like to see Buck do it 1 more year before getting rid of Justin

So 15.2 million(though I do agree with the Forsett thing).. 

 

 

Okay. With those we can easily get back Tucker.

[January J]

We can't afford to re-sign Justin Tucker. He will be one of many salary cap casualties. Here is my list of current players who will not be on Septembers 53 man roster.

 

1, Chris Canty

2. Elvis Dumervil

3. Dennis Pitta

4. Marlon Brown

5. Matt Schaub

6.Michael Campanaro

7.Matt Elam

8.Kelechi Osemeli

9.Terrence West

10.Chris Mathews.

 

There are 15 other players who were signed as stop-gap measures that will not make this team in September either. So basically almost half the squad will be gone.

which is why if we can't get a deal done he will get the franchise tag- he will be in Baltimore next year one way or the other.

[rmcjacket23]

So 15.2 million(though I do agree with the Forsett thing).. 

 

 

Okay. With those we can easily get back Tucker.

No reasonable fan should be worried about retaining a kicker. It's a foregone conclusion.

[rmw10]

No reasonable fan should be worried about retaining a kicker. It's a foregone conclusion.

 

There's a big assumption that we can just pick up another undrafted guy and he'll do just as well.  Then when we get the next Hauschka (the Ravens version), people will criticize the FO for not retaining a top kicker.

[RaineV1]

The people I proposed to release are ones we can afford to.

Buck has talent. I think he's going to eventually overtake Forsett anyway. And we have depth at RB

We have three young TEs. All have flashed.

Webb is no good to us not healthy and he's deteriorating anyway. 

Elam sucks and we have depth at SS. Hell, he wouldn't even start. 

Mallet>Schaub. 

Canty is old and Davis and Ubran are in the wings.

 

What's problematic is Monroe. But that opens up a lot of cap room. Like 15 million I think(someone fact check this). MORE than enough to resign A KICKER.

 

This is before you factor in a contract restructure for Flacco. 

Allen has been up and down, and it's not like Forsett is braking the bank with his cap hit. I'd keep him until someone actually steps up and takes his starting job. Also, West has been cut by two teams and LT has been pretty injury prone. They aren't great depth options. I'd trust Forsett and Allen over Allen and West/LT.

 

I agree with Webb, Canty, Monroe, and Schaub. And yeah, even high paid kickers are fairly cheap compared to other positions. If the Ravens are at a point where they have to cut a kicker to make cap room, then someone royally screwed up with the salaries.

[rmcjacket23]

There's a big assumption that we can just pick up another undrafted guy and he'll do just as well. Then when we get the next Hauschka (the Ravens version), people will criticize the FO for not retaining a top kicker.

The guy will cost $3-4M against the cap at most on an extension in year 1. There is no year in recent history where we couldn't find $3-4M to pay a player if we actually wanted them bad enough.

Finding the space for him isn't the problem. Finding space for KO, if we want to retain him, is.

Edited January 4, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

There's a big assumption that we can just pick up another undrafted guy and he'll do just as well.  Then when we get the next Hauschka (the Ravens version), people will criticize the FO for not retaining a top kicker.

This is what Barney Stinson would call the chain of screaming.. But here's the NFL version.

First, the owner complains and screams at Ozzie. 

Ozzie then screams at Harbaugh

Harbaugh screams back at Ozzie

Ozzie cuts a player. 

That player essentially screams at the fans. 

The replacement sucks. The fans go back and scream at Ozzie, because "we pay the bills"

And then a certain group of fans subscribes to that notion and then scream at you guessed it.. Steve Biscotti. 

 

 

And that is the circle of screaming

[rmw10]

The guy will cost $3-4M against the cap at most on an extension in year 1. There is no year in recent history where we couldn't find $3-4M to pay a player if we actually wanted them bad enough.

 

Yep.  $1M base salary + the prorated portion of the bonus.  It's the Ravens' thing.

[January J]

We're not getting rid of Webb either, he is making a permanent switch to FS and harbaugh has made it pretty clear that he will be part of our plans going forward. Same with forsett- no way do I trust buck/ west / LT as our rb corps. We need the veteran leadrship. Justin, sss , and suggs will all be back with a vengeance and have something to prove.

I'm not even sure we don't keep Pitta on, kinda iffy right now. Most would say no but i think he could be a nice asset to have as depth incase crock gets injured ( which happened frequently this year) or if Boyle gets suspended again.

Anyway , shouldn't this be in the 2016 thread? Somebody likes the extra attention.

[K-Dog]

We're not getting rid of Webb either, he is making a permanent switch to FS and harbaugh has made it pretty clear that he will be part of our plans going forward. Same with forsett- no way do I trust buck/ west / LT as our rb corps. We need the veteran leadrship. Justin, sss , and suggs will all be back with a vengeance and have something to prove.

I'm not even sure we don't keep Pitta on, kinda iffy right now. Most would say no but i think he could be a nice asset to have as depth incase crock gets injured ( which happened frequently this year) or if Boyle gets suspended again.

 

I agree on all these.  Webb is staying.  Forsette is staying.  Anyone who thinks Joe won't restructure has their head in a location in which it was never intended to be.

Pitta is a hugely unfortunate situation that is pretty much loose / loose.