The Coaching Staff Accountability for Penalties

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Lets face it, the injury bug bit us hard this year.

That being said, almost 1200 PENALTY YARDS??? I am sorry, but there has to be some accountability here. We brought in Harbs to be a disciplinarian here to replace Billick, and 1200 penalty yards speaks of coaching that has lost control of the team.

In fact, how many more wins could we have with better discipline?

The next thing is that Horrible Passive Non Raven Pees Zone Defense has got to go. Our fiundation is built on an aggressive Man scheme, and putting the fear of the Almighty into opponents. That has gone by the wayside once Pees got here. Another term replaced it, "Bend but dont break", well its broke.

Some of the dumb play calls at the worst times on offense. If we know the blitz is coming, why do we send everybody deep, when other playoff teams have short and medium crosses, curls, and comeback routes......On 3rd and 8, why in the heck do we dial up a 4 yard route??

27th in the league in RED ZONE Effeciency....Do we practice Red Zone Offense ever?? What are the Highest RedZone scoring teams in the league doing that we are not??? Hello??

Scouting Department....Who keeps missing on talent?? Are our scouts older wiser vets?? Or young guys enamored by a play or 2, or the combine? I will take a slower guy who can play football, over a chiseled work of art body who is so so on the field.

Its time to make some wholesale changes Steve, and get this ship righted.

Edited January 3, 2016 by OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL

[The Raven]

1. Harbaugh doesn't have any control over whether KO false starts or whether Kendrick Lewis runs into a WR for a DPI. Players need to not be stupid.

 

2. This defense broke Pittsburgh's six game streak of 30 point games and finished around tenth overall for the season. Yawn.

 

3. Yeah... Everyone just run and stop at the sticks. The defense wouldn't ever see that coming. Lmao. Red zone efficiency... I'll blame Trestman for that. He tries to get too cute and pass the ball 50 times a game. That's a problem.

 

4. Scouting is fine. The problem is we're not developing enough guys. That's on coaches, mainly the secondary coaches. Also, I would argue that we have too many slow guys on this team.

 

5. This house isn't getting cleaned, no matter how much you wish. If there are any changes, it'll be secondary coach MAYBE and DC if Pees's contract is up.

Edited January 3, 2016 by The Raven

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

1200 yards means a lot of stupid players, or a big lack of discipline

[jazz1988]

1200 yards means a lot of stupid players, or a big lack of discipline

 

Penalties may be due to youth than anything.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

1200 yards is a lot but against the Dolphins I know of one particular play that cost us yardage and 7 points when the refs totally blew the call with a yellow hanky going against our D. Brown for an O.P.I. that was totally BOGUS!!! How many of our other penalties were bogus or ticky-tack calls made by the refs? I guess my point is officiating was very questionable at times this year. Just to make sure we are clear on this not all the calls were bad by the refs but the Ravens sure had their fair share of bad calls.

Edited January 5, 2016 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[usmccharles]

Just another thing to complain about in a terrible year.  We had a lot of young players in there that made stupid mistakes, one basically cost us the game in Oakland, cant remember who.  Do you think the coaches dont tell players not to jump offsides? or push down a wr? or jump before the snap? They teach them, they need to execute.  Clean house because of penalties! haha right

[edthehead]

Lets face it, the injury bug bit us hard this year.

That being said, almost 1200 PENALTY YARDS??? I am sorry, but there has to be some accountability here. We brought in Harbs to be a disciplinarian here to replace Billick, and 1200 penalty yards speaks of coaching that has lost control of the team.

In fact, how many more wins could we have with better discipline?

The next thing is that Horrible Passive Non Raven Pees Zone Defense has got to go. Our fiundation is built on an aggressive Man scheme, and putting the fear of the Almighty into opponents. That has gone by the wayside once Pees got here. Another term replaced it, "Bend but dont break", well its broke.

Some of the dumb play calls at the worst times on offense. If we know the blitz is coming, why do we send everybody deep, when other playoff teams have short and medium crosses, curls, and comeback routes......On 3rd and 8, why in the heck do we dial up a 4 yard route??

27th in the league in RED ZONE Effeciency....Do we practice Red Zone Offense ever?? What are the Highest RedZone scoring teams in the league doing that we are not??? Hello??

Scouting Department....Who keeps missing on talent?? Are our scouts older wiser vets?? Or young guys enamored by a play or 2, or the combine? I will take a slower guy who can play football, over a chiseled work of art body who is so so on the field.

Its time to make some wholesale changes Steve, and get this ship righted.

you are a MVP, so you post a lot , smart keeping in the know, I have been here a couple years , I do more reading than writing.

my point is this, you are correct and all that comes up is excuses and more excuses,but if you look at it, it is the same dumb penalties 1 after another, Good football takes the game away from the officials.

   you will hear "we stopped pitts" really , they never showed up and we did play very well. But look at the early games in the season, Oakland,browns,SF,cardinals,Miami and the jags, all winnable games.

   the other is alot of young people, they just didn't start playing this game,lol

   here is a good 1, we are the number 2 defense in the nfl, for the 2nd half of the season,

I agree with you the foundation of our defense is lost, the angry ,"me against the world" mentality is gone,

I do like Trestman he will get his play calling together but Mr. pee body, has to go,

HARB needs to be held accountable and I am sure MR.B and OZ will get him straight behind closed doors. 

[Adreme]

you are a MVP, so you post a lot , smart keeping in the know, I have been here a couple years , I do more reading than writing.

my point is this, you are correct and all that comes up is excuses and more excuses,but if you look at it, it is the same dumb penalties 1 after another, Good football takes the game away from the officials.

   you will hear "we stopped pitts" really , they never showed up and we did play very well. But look at the early games in the season, Oakland,browns,SF,cardinals,Miami and the jags, all winnable games.

   the other is alot of young people, they just didn't start playing this game,lol

   here is a good 1, we are the number 2 defense in the nfl, for the 2nd half of the season,

I agree with you the foundation of our defense is lost, the angry ,"me against the world" mentality is gone,

I do like Trestman he will get his play calling together but Mr. pee body, has to go,

HARB needs to be held accountable and I am sure MR.B and OZ will get him straight behind closed doors. 

 

There are things you hold coaches accountable for and there are things you hold players accountable for.  Winning organizations know not to hold the coaches accountable for mistakes made by players and vice versa.

 

That being said penalties made by players at the NFL level are on the players.  In high school and college I can maybe accept needing to be coached not to commit penalties but at the NFL level you should know not to hold, to play the ball, not to false start etc etc.  The kinds of penalties that are on coaches are things like illegal formation and sometimes delay of game but in general players commit penalties and you hold the players accountable for it.

 

In the Ravens case overall they had a TON of people who were not starters going in and will not be starters going forward in games and that also did not help the issue both in the young players in question committing penalties and the older players trying harder to protect them so they commit penalties.

 

Everyone in the NFL is way too quick to blame coaches for things that belong to the players and the constant rotations of coaches are the reason that these teams are the bad teams in the NFL and not the perennial playoff teams.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

There are things you hold coaches accountable for and there are things you hold players accountable for.  Winning organizations know not to hold the coaches accountable for mistakes made by players and vice versa.

 

That being said penalties made by players at the NFL level are on the players.  In high school and college I can maybe accept needing to be coached not to commit penalties but at the NFL level you should know not to hold, to play the ball, not to false start etc etc.  The kinds of penalties that are on coaches are things like illegal formation and sometimes delay of game but in general players commit penalties and you hold the players accountable for it.

 

In the Ravens case overall they had a TON of people who were not starters going in and will not be starters going forward in games and that also did not help the issue both in the young players in question committing penalties and the older players trying harder to protect them so they commit penalties.

 

Everyone in the NFL is way too quick to blame coaches for things that belong to the players and the constant rotations of coaches are the reason that these teams are the bad teams in the NFL and not the perennial playoff teams.

 

I think you're missing the point. Obviously, most penalties are not the fault of the coaches. However, the coaches can and must hold the players accountable for them as you have also stated. The number of times we had players lined up in the neutral zone this year was inexcusable. If they were held accountable, we would not have set a franchise record for penalties. Whether the number of penalties was directly correlated to the young players we had and/or bad officiating, the root cause of most of the penalties was a lack of discipline and that is something that the coaches must accept responsibility for. Stupid penalties like lining up in the neutral zone & false starts are inexcusable and preventable when coaches instill discipline in their players. We had a lot of stupid penalties this year on both sides of the ball. This was one of the most undisciplined teams we've had in our twenty years and that is primarily the fault of the coaches unless the players are just stupid, which I do not believe is the case.

[The Raven]

I think you're missing the point. Obviously, most penalties are not the fault of the coaches. However, the coaches can and must hold the players accountable for them as you have also stated. The number of times we had players lined up in the neutral zone this year was inexcusable. If they were held accountable, we would not have set a franchise record for penalties. Whether the number of penalties was directly correlated to the young players we had and/or bad officiating, the root cause of most of the penalties was a lack of discipline and that is something that the coaches must accept responsibility for. Stupid penalties like lining up in the neutral zone & false starts are inexcusable and preventable when coaches instill discipline in their players. We had a lot of stupid penalties this year on both sides of the ball. This was one of the most undisciplined teams we've had in our twenty years and that is primarily the fault of the coaches unless the players are just stupid, which I do not believe is the case.

 

Dude, if Upshaw needs a coach to tell him not to line up in the neutral zone, Alabama failed him in his education, or someone failed him somewhere along the way. I can understand jumping offsides, but I will never understand or forgive lining up in the neutral zone. You have to be a special kind of stupid to do that, and no amount of coaching or discipline will save you if you're still doing that as a four year pro. NFL coaches shouldn't need to tell second round draft picks in their fourth pro season not to line up in the neutral zone.

[Tru11]

penalties are on players and show a luck of fundamentals.

 

mistakes can happen since we all humans.

 

however if a players makes the same mistakes all the time 1 must question their ability to play.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Dude, if Upshaw needs a coach to tell him not to line up in the neutral zone, Alabama failed him in his education, or someone failed him somewhere along the way. I can understand jumping offsides, but I will never understand or forgive lining up in the neutral zone. You have to be a special kind of stupid to do that, and no amount of coaching or discipline will save you if you're still doing that as a four year pro. NFL coaches shouldn't need to tell second round draft picks in their fourth pro season not to line up in the neutral zone.

 

Somebody on the coaching staff needs to take responsibility for the mistakes that keep happening. I hate to remind you but Elvis Dummervil was guilty of the same infraction more than once this season. How long has he played? That's poor coaching, dude! As an ole 'Bama coach, named Paul "Bear" Bryant, was fond of saying, "When you make a mistake, there are only three things you should ever do about it: 1. Admit it, 2. Learn from it, and 3. Don't repeat it." This team made more mistakes than any previous Ravens team in our brief but storied 20 year history. That's about the coaching & that's not playing like a Raven! For any coach who's worth his or her salt, it comes under the category of "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." Contrary to your simplistic way of looking at things, there is a way for coaches to take disciplinary measures to ensure that the same types of mistakes are minimized, if not eliminated.   

Edited January 8, 2016 by frozen joe flacco fan