Ideal draft Scenarios

[ravensnick]

I agree but id add treadwell to that list

I wouldn't call Treadwell a safe pick as high as we will be. His lack of ability to get seperation could kill him. 

Edited January 4, 2016 by ravensnick

[Wildabeast88]

I like Treadwell alot but I think Boyd Thomas Doctson in the 2nd would be fine it all depends on what happens with Joes restructure and do we resign KO if we resign KO I'm good going pass rusher and WR in the 2nd

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I wouldn't call Treadwell a safe pick as high as we will be. His lack of ability to get seperation could kill him. 

Craftiness in route running + physicality with a deep threat on the field in Perriman to spell him out will solve that problem. We need a possession guy. Would not be surprised at all if we took him. 

 

That said

 

1. Tennessee Titans: 3-13 (.492 strength of schedule)  Tunsil

2. Cleveland Browns: 3-13 (.533 SOS) Paxton Lynch

3. San Diego Chargers: 4-12 (.525 SOS) Joey Bosa

4. Dallas Cowboys: 4-12 (.529 SOS) VH3

5. Jacksonville Jaguars: 5-11 (.471 SOS) Jalen Ramsey

6. Baltimore Ravens: 5-11 (.504 SOS) Ronnie Stanley

 

 

That's what I have hopes for.

[Cillmatic]

If we want Treadell the lowest we could safely trade down to is #12 with the Saints.

[1/28/01]

I'm lazy. Where would we be picking with 1 less win?

Say against Pitt...3, 4 or 5?

Edited January 4, 2016 by 1/28/01

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

somewhere between 3 and 5

 

 

Edited:

 

Yes^... After the pit game last week everyone disagreed with me but I would have rather let pit win and had a few picks higher.. would have ended up helping us a lot more

Edited January 4, 2016 by PurpleandBlackBlood

[rmw10]

I'm lazy. Where would we be picking with 1 less win?

Say against Pitt...3, 4 or 5?

 

If we had lost to Pitt, based on above strength of schedules, it seems it would be 3 or 4.  I don't care to actually do the math lol

[Inqui]

I'm lazy. Where would we be picking with 1 less win?

Say against Pitt...3, 4 or 5?

3 had we lost to the Steelers or Chargers, 2 had we lost to the Browns. The Chargers win is the one I'm actually pretty bummed about.

[1/28/01]

3 had we lost to the Steelers or Chargers, 2 had we lost to the Browns. The Chargers win is the one I'm actually pretty bummed about.

Damn. 6 is nice, but 2 or 3...sheesh.

[RavensFanMania]

I'm lazy. Where would we be picking with 1 less win?

Say against Pitt...3, 4 or 5?

Believe we would pick 3rd

[Inqui]

Damn. 6 is nice, but 2 or 3...sheesh.

Yeah, that's almost certainly a franchise guy in the trenches (Bosa/Tunsil). I get playing to win for pride and all (and like I say I don't mind sweeping the Steelers and not getting swept by the Browns), but pride frankly went out the window when we finished 5-11. 

[balfan23]

Don't see a lot of point in being upset about having won games - especially ones that occurred in the first half of the season (Chargers) when all had not yet been lost. We've got what we've got (#6) ... let's see what that gets us. 

[RavensFanMania]

I'm lazy. Where would we be picking with 1 less win?

Say against Pitt...3, 4 or 5?

2nd or 3rd.  If we lost to the Browns we would be picking 2nd.  If we lost to the Chargers it would be 3rd, same with Steelers.  That being said, I always root for a win.  I don't care if we have a lower draft pick.

Edited January 4, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[balfan23]

On to the topic of the thread ... what are the potential moves, trades and what might we be hoping for.

 

Absent any trading ... what we've been hoping for ever since we drafted Flacco ... is that the teams ahead of us draft QBs. The question is - are there any QBs worth taking in the top 5 and, if so, what teams may take them?

 

It could be that the Cleveland ownership is going to demand the team stick with Manziel ... in which case they may not go QB first .... but it would be nice if they did. With Romo being broken all season, he is starting to look like he's on the back side of the slope, so Dallas could also go that route. No other team ahead of us appears to be QB needy. 

[GrimCoconut]

Ideal scenario? Trade back about 5 spots and get a 2nd and 3rd round pick from it. Trade the acquired 3rd and our 4th for a low 2nd round pick. End up with a top 10ish pick, two early 2nd round picks, one late 2nd round pick, an early 3rd round pick, and hope and pray we get a 3rd round comp pick.

[GrimCoconut]

On to the topic of the thread ... what are the potential moves, trades and what might we be hoping for.

Absent any trading ... what we've been hoping for ever since we drafted Flacco ... is that the teams ahead of us draft QBs. The question is - are there any QBs worth taking in the top 5 and, if so, what teams may take them?

It could be that the Cleveland ownership is going to demand the team stick with Manziel ... in which case they may not go QB first .... but it would be nice if they did. With Romo being broken all season, he is starting to look like he's on the back side of the slope, so Dallas could also go that route. No other team ahead of us appears to be QB needy.

Cleveland is interesting. They may even trade back. It all depends what Tennessee does.

[balfan23]

It is also hard to see a trade back with a QB needy team who would be seeking to jump SF (who is the most likely team to want to go QB). What team would be willing to make that trade? Some of the teams that may want to go that route (Houston) are back into the 20s. That's a heck of a trade back. 

 

Another possibility is the Rams (15) ... maybe. You could argue the Saints or even Eagles could be up for a move, but that's a stretch. 

[ravensnick]

Hopefully some team loses all their marbles and takes one of Hackenburg, Cook, or Jones mid-late first round if Goff and Lynch go top ten as projected. That could let quite a nice prospect float down to our second rounder. 

Edited January 4, 2016 by ravensnick

[balfan23]

Cleveland is interesting. They may even trade back. It all depends what Tennessee does.

Curious in what way you see Cleveland trading back or not, based on what Tennessee does? I just think the biggest question is whether or not Cleveland comes to grips with their need for a QB or if ownership is still in denial. 

[Inqui]

Cleveland is interesting. They may even trade back. It all depends what Tennessee does.

I think Tennessee will be looking to trade back. All the top prospects at #1 are kind of an awkward fit for them, so a trade with (say) SF would make a lot of sense for both sides if there's a clear #1 QB.

 

Chip Kelly is my projected spanner. By that I don't mean that he's crazy (though I won't argue with anyone who says he is), but imo if he joins the Titans that makes Stanley the perfect fit for them at #1. If he joins the Browns, there's a good chance he'll try to roll with Manziel (who he's gone on the record saying he likes) so their pick could depend on whether they can move Thomas for their asking price. If he joins any other side he could either look for a quick-read QB in the draft or trade for Manziel, which means the Browns would suddenly be in the market for QB if there's anyone they like.

[rmw10]

Curious in what way you see Cleveland trading back or not, based on what Tennessee does? I just think the biggest question is whether or not Cleveland comes to grips with their need for a QB or if ownership is still in denial. 

 

Reports coming out now that Manziel is on his way out as the organization has had enough of him.  I imagine QB will be high on their priority list for the 845th straight year.

[RavensFanMania]

It is also hard to see a trade back with a QB needy team who would be seeking to jump SF (who is the most likely team to want to go QB). What team would be willing to make that trade? Some of the teams that may want to go that route (Houston) are back into the 20s. That's a heck of a trade back. 

 

Another possibility is the Rams (15) ... maybe. You could argue the Saints or even Eagles could be up for a move, but that's a stretch. 

how about the Saints. 

[GrimCoconut]

Curious in what way you see Cleveland trading back or not, based on what Tennessee does? I just think the biggest question is whether or not Cleveland comes to grips with their need for a QB or if ownership is still in denial. 

It depends on if they marry themselves to a prospect.  A lot of times I noticed teams make bad decisions when they lose the guy they counted on taking. They essentially bank on a specific prospect making it to them and then they meltdown and take another guy as a consolation, possibly as a panic move. With the Cleveland Browns you have to wonder how likely that move will be. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Reports coming out now that Manziel is on his way out as the organization has had enough of him. I imagine QB will be high on their priority list for the 845th straight year.

Holy crap I feel old.

I think they go Lynch. The niners go Goff imho

[rmw10]

Holy crap I feel old.

I think they go Lynch. The niners go Goff imho

 

Yeah if I had to pick right now, I'd say Cleveland is the most likely spot for Lynch.  Of course, still a long ways to go.

[Inqui]

On to the topic of the thread ... what are the potential moves, trades and what might we be hoping for.

 

Absent any trading ... what we've been hoping for ever since we drafted Flacco ... is that the teams ahead of us draft QBs. The question is - are there any QBs worth taking in the top 5 and, if so, what teams may take them?

 

It could be that the Cleveland ownership is going to demand the team stick with Manziel ... in which case they may not go QB first .... but it would be nice if they did. With Romo being broken all season, he is starting to look like he's on the back side of the slope, so Dallas could also go that route. No other team ahead of us appears to be QB needy. 

I haven't seen an awful lot of the QBs, so everything I say here should be taken with a huge pinch of salt, but from what I've gathered so far Jared Goff (Cal) and Paxton Lynch (Memphis) are our best hopes of going in the top five atm, but either will have to put on a clinic in the pre-draft process.

 

Goff recently broke a school TD record (previously held by some bloke called Aaron), while Lynch has the physical attributes teams fall in love with and has put up flashy numbers for the most part (scored 6 TDs in the first half against Tulsa iirc), and has the advantage of having gone to a small school.

 

If I'm not mistaken, the questions about Goff are whether he'll translate to the pros (took a ton of snaps in the shotgun, dubious arm strength, thrown a fair few picks, etc). And I believe Lynch is raw as hell (think Blake Bortles) and has big SOS concerns. From what I can gather, he put up a lot of his numbers from screen passes, but when Auburn took that away he looked thoroughly helpless. So whether that's just written off as a bad game (Peyton was dreadful in his final bowl game too) or he got genuinely exposed is something scouts will have to decide on.

[Inqui]

It depends on if they marry themselves to a prospect.  A lot of times I noticed teams make bad decisions when they lose the guy they counted on taking. They essentially bank on a specific prospect making it to them and then they meltdown and take another guy as a consolation, possibly as a panic move. With the Cleveland Browns you have to wonder how likely that move will be. 

The Steelers were a classic case of that when we took Maxx.

[Edgar]

Curious in what way you see Cleveland trading back or not, based on what Tennessee does? I just think the biggest question is whether or not Cleveland comes to grips with their need for a QB or if ownership is still in denial.

They have to and I think will go QB.

If say, Lynch is their guy, or Goff. I don't think they could move too far and risk losing him to San Fran or even Dallas.

Carson Wentz is interesting.

Edited January 4, 2016 by Edgar

[GrimCoconut]

The Steelers were a classic case of that when we took Maxx.

Yeah. I recall even this team doing the same. I think Perriman was a consolation to Peters, of whom  I believe we expected to get. 

Edited January 4, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[DaddyBubbles]

I don't watch a whole lot of college football, and most of the info I get is from watching highlight reel channels on youtube. 

 

That being said, I watched film of a guy that I previously wasn't aware of.  Clemson CB Mackensie Alexander.  Since VH3 is most likely going to be the 1st corner off the board, we might not be able to get him in bmore.  Alexander seems like a pretty good option at 6, and we might even be able to trade down a few picks if a team like the Eagles or Bears wants to trade up to hit the reset button on QB.

 

Alexander reminds me a bit of a young Nnamdi Asomugha in that he seems to always be in a position to make a play, and he rarely gets beat on any sort of route.  What do you guys think about him?