The Good, The Bad and The Ugly vent thread week 17 Bengals!

[Tru11]

That's the issue, both sides of the ball always play a flawed game. Waiting for that complete game like 2012 opener, that will be our litmus test to see if we've improved or not. Still, very annoying these sloppy games have all gone their way recently, they haven't been playing perfect football either by any means.

And that Steve Smih call.......

 

yup thats my point.

 

putting blame for losing to a team all on 1 guy who btw isent even on the field is to absurd.

 

you have a QB who at times makes wrong decisions.

Wrs dropping passes not completing routes and tipping balls to defenders.

running backs missing blocks or fumbling.

o-liners missing blocks and flat out getting beat.

defenders who get torched, drop picks , cant tackle , tipping balls to wrs , comminting the dumbest penalties .

 

but all of it is pees fault lel.

[jazz1988]

i love how you think its okay to turn the ball over.

 

anything to put all the blame on pees right ....

 

When did i say it's ok ?  It's true the defense hasn't been clutch against The Bengels. It's a divisional rivalry game  so it's going to be a close game but in the end the defense gives up big plays and wasn't able to hold up on third downs.  I think the only time Dean Pees defense has preformed better against The Bengels was when Andy Dalton wasn't the quarterback.

Edited January 6, 2016 by jazz1988

[jazz1988]

yup thats my point.

 

putting blame for losing to a team all on 1 guy who btw isent even on the field is to absurd.

 

you have a QB who at times makes wrong decisions.

Wrs dropping passes not completing routes and tipping balls to defenders.

running backs missing blocks or fumbling.

o-liners missing blocks and flat out getting beat.

defenders who get torched, drop picks , cant tackle , tipping balls to wrs , comminting the dumbest penalties .

 

but all of it is pees fault lel.

 

That's the issue, both sides of the ball always play a flawed game. Waiting for that complete game like 2012 opener, that will be our litmus test to see if we've improved or not. Still, very annoying these sloppy games have all gone their way recently, they haven't been playing perfect football either by any means.

And that Steve Smih call.......

 

 

Honestly a offense and defense should want to  play a flawless game but sometimes either one has to bail each other out. The Bengels offense was making some pretty bad mistakes against our team last sunday but the second half what happen their defense step up and make two key turn overs against our offense. Our defense has not been able to be clutch like that for about two years now and that's sad.

 

The defense played better against The Bengels in our season finale but that was with out Andy Dalton at quarterback. I'm not going to give them brownie points because they played better against a back up quarterback.

[Tru11]

When did i say it's ok ?  It's true the defense hasn't been clutch against The Bengels. It's a divisional rivalry game  so it's going to be a close game but in the end the defense gives up big plays and wasn't able to hold up on third downs.  I think the only time Dean Pees defense has preformed better against The Bengels was when Andy Dalton wasn't the quarterback.

 

 

Honestly a offense and defense should want to  play a flawless game but sometimes either one has to bail each other out. The Bengels offense was making some pretty bad mistakes against our team last sunday but the second half what happen their defense step up and make two key turn overs against our offense. Our defense has not been able to be clutch like that for about two years now and that's sad.

 

The defense played better against The Bengels in our season finale but that was with out Andy Dalton at quarterback. I'm not going to give them brownie points because they played better against a back up quarterback.

 

 

you must really hate pees if you want to put all of the blame for not beating the bengals entirely on him.

 

really sad though...

Edited January 6, 2016 by Tru11

[OUravensfan]

you must really hate pees if you want to put all of the blame for not beating the bengals entirely on him.

really sad though...

Like most things, it's a collection of factors, but I will say this of the game in Baltimore this year, right after the Mosley turnover, we gave up the big play to Green. In the weekly post game article that shows what the opponent has to say about the game it revealed that they were fully aware of Deans tendencies; in this case, in big spots where he needs a play he goes cover 0 with an all out type blitz. They knew what was coming and had the perfect play called, and some of the personal decisions in big moments, Chykie, Wright and Lewis one on one vs Green are awful, but then again, players got to play.

We need more ball hawks and a more confident secondary. I'm so tired of watching their incompetence back there, when we need a big stop we don't get it. These are traits of a losing team which we were this year, let's hope we come back stronger next year, I have faith.

Edited January 6, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Tru11]

Like most things, it's a collection of factors, but I will say this of the game in Baltimore this year, right after the Mosley turnover, we gave up the big play to Green. In the weekly post game article that shows what the opponent has to say about the game it revealed that they were fully aware of Deans tendencies; in this case, in big spots where he needs a play he goes cover 0 with an all out type blitz. They knew what was coming and had the perfect play called, and some of the personal decisions in big moments, Chykie, Wright and Lewis one on one vs Green are awful, but then again, players got to play.

We need more ball hawks and a more confident secondary. I'm so tired of watching their incompetence back there, when we need a big stop we don't get it. These are traits of a losing team which we were this year, let's hope we come back stronger next year, I have faith.

 

im pretty sure pees cant look into the future so he cant really know where Green is going to line up on any given play.

 

im not sure why people are expecting him to being able to predict if green is going to line up on the left side , right side or in the slot lol.

 

the only way he could have jimmy on green all the time is if he build the entire scheme /game plan around that.

 

now that would have been an option if we had pre injury jimmy on the field.

 

also in order to run such a scheme you need players that can communicate and adapt on the fly pre snap.

you also need players who can play all CB spots as well.

 

its was pretty clear we did not meet any of those conditions and well give hue jackson kudos for creating a game plan that created miss matches for his best playmaker.

 

people forget that football is like a game of chess where both coaches are moving the pieces to get the advantage.

however lets not pretend like hue jackson does not much better pieces at his disposal then pees.

 

the bengals offense is loaded with talent.

 

only yanda and flacco would be starters on that team.

[jazz1988]

you must really hate pees if you want to put all of the blame for not beating the bengals entirely on him.

 

really sad though...

And again where did I say that ? You saying we lost those games due to turnovers so are you blaming it all on Joe Flacco or the offensive coordinator ?  It's never good to have turnovers but it also isn't good when your defense can't make stops when needed as well. 

[jimmypowder]

If that game was the playoffs ,we would have beat the Bungles! HAHA

[Tru11]

And again where did I say that ? You saying we lost those games due to turnovers so are you blaming it all on Joe Flacco or the offensive coordinator ?  It's never good to have turnovers but it also isn't good when your defense can't make stops when needed as well. 

 

well that was the discussion.

 

someone blamed pees alone for every loss and i chimed in on that.

 

also you should read again what i said.

 

i pretty much listed all that wrong in those games and it included the defense and the offense.

 

neither has played up to par.

 

i also gave the bengals credit though cause after all they are a highly talented team and has been doing pretty well in the regular season.

its not like they are a bottomfeeder orso....

 

its just very narrowminded to say its all pees fault IMO and apparently you agreed to that otherwise i dont really know why you felt the need to reply to me......

[jazz1988]

well that was the discussion.

 

someone blamed pees alone for every loss and i chimed in on that.

 

also you should read again what i said.

 

i pretty much listed all that wrong in those games and it included the defense and the offense.

 

neither has played up to par.

 

i also gave the bengals credit though cause after all they are a highly talented team and has been doing pretty well in the regular season.

its not like they are a bottomfeeder orso....

 

its just very narrowminded to say its all pees fault IMO and apparently you agreed to that otherwise i dont really know why you felt the need to reply to me......

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

What I like about The Bengels especially their defense is it's not just full of talented players but their players are on one page. I can tell what ever system they are running their players have bought into it and they have a we will not crack attitude. The Bengels defensive players are discipline and seem to be  well coached.  Big plays may happen against them but once it happens they seem to find a way to correct their mistakes more often than not.

 

The Ravens defense on the other hand wasn't discipline and consistently gave up big plays especially early on in the season. Players don't seem to be  in sync or seem to have bought on into the scheme until later on in the season when Harbaugh said they made some tweaks/dumb down the scheme.What ever Dean Pees was doing/coaching early on  it wasn't getting to the players and hopefully  he's finally on the same page with the players.

 

I have defended Dean Pees and definitely understand the talent wasn't there especially after losing Suggs but Dean Pees has alot work to do  this coming off season. I hope The Ravens bring in somebody whom may be a good candidate to replace Pees just in case things don't work out next season because I expect Ozzie to give him some better talent  and it won't be any excuses.

[Tru11]

What I like about The Bengels especially their defense is it's not just full of talented players but their players are on one page. I can tell what ever system they are running their players have bought into it and they have a we will not crack attitude. The Bengels defensive players are discipline and seem to be  well coached.  Big plays may happen against them but once it happens they seem to find a way to correct their mistakes more often than not.

 

The Ravens defense on the other hand wasn't discipline and consistently gave up big plays especially early on in the season. Players don't seem to be  in sync or seem to have bought on into the scheme until later on in the season when Harbaugh said they made some tweaks/dumb down the scheme.What ever Dean Pees was doing/coaching early on  it wasn't getting to the players and hopefully  he's finally on the same page with the players.

 

I have defended Dean Pees and definitely understand the talent wasn't there especially after losing Suggs but Dean Pees has alot work to do  this coming off season. I hope The Ravens bring in somebody whom may be a good candidate to replace Pees just in case things don't work out next season because I expect Ozzie to give him some better talent  and it won't be any excuses.

 

well zimmerman did a pretty darn good job with them.

 

thats 1 guy i would prefer over peesn for sure but no that he is a HC i doubt it will ever happen lol

[Winchester]

im pretty sure pees cant look into the future so he cant really know where Green is going to line up on any given play.

 

im not sure why people are expecting him to being able to predict if green is going to line up on the left side , right side or in the slot lol.

 

the only way he could have jimmy on green all the time is if he build the entire scheme /game plan around that.

 

now that would have been an option if we had pre injury jimmy on the field.

 

also in order to run such a scheme you need players that can communicate and adapt on the fly pre snap.

you also need players who can play all CB spots as well.

 

its was pretty clear we did not meet any of those conditions and well give hue jackson kudos for creating a game plan that created miss matches for his best playmaker.

 

people forget that football is like a game of chess where both coaches are moving the pieces to get the advantage.

however lets not pretend like hue jackson does not much better pieces at his disposal then pees.

 

the bengals offense is loaded with talent.

 

only yanda and flacco would be starters on that team.

KO would start at guard. Wagner in top form would start at RT and once adjusted Urschel would start at center. And Jensen is as talented and strong as zeitler. And with whitworths age KO could prove a better left tackle. KO is very overpowering and could prove a top5 left tackle. Their playmakers were the difference. If ravens had playmakers the offense would of put the Bengals away by halftime.

[The Raven]

KO would start at guard. Wagner in top form would start at RT and once adjusted Urschel would start at center. And Jensen is as talented and strong as zeitler. And with whitworths age KO could prove a better left tackle. KO is very overpowering and could prove a top5 left tackle. Their playmakers were the difference. If ravens had playmakers the offense would of put the Bengals away by halftime.

 

Agreed with the rest but that there is a bold butt statement that I do not agree with at all at this point in time.

[BmoreBird22]

KO would start at guard. Wagner in top form would start at RT and once adjusted Urschel would start at center. And Jensen is as talented and strong as zeitler. And with whitworths age KO could prove a better left tackle. KO is very overpowering and could prove a top5 left tackle. Their playmakers were the difference. If ravens had playmakers the offense would of put the Bengals away by halftime.

I don't agree with Jensen at this very point in time over Zeitler, nor do I agree with taking KO over Whitworth at LT, but I'd definitely start Jimmy over Kirkpatrick, Williams over Peko, Mosley over Malaluga (or however you spell it).

Damn, now you've got me thinking about a blended Ravens-Bengals team... it'd be so unstoppable