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[B-more Ravor]

Probably similar to Monroe's, maybe a little more money. 

 

Probably a $4-5M cap hit in year 1, escalating to the $7-8M range over the rest of the deal.

 

I don't see how KO would get more than Monroe.  Monroe got a upper market LT deal.  While KO looked good for 3 games, I don't know if that's enough to warrant a upper market LT deal.

 

That said, IF KO got the exact deal that Monroe got, the 1st year Cap number would be $3.2M.  If Monroe is released, the Cap savings is $2.1M, which would go a long way toward covering the $3.2M Cap # for KO.

[rmw10]

I don't see how KO would get more than Monroe.  Monroe got a upper market LT deal.  While KO looked good for 3 games, I don't know if that's enough to warrant a upper market LT deal.

 

That said, IF KO got the exact deal that Monroe got, the 1st year Cap number would be $3.2M.  If Monroe is released, the Cap savings is $2.1M, which would go a long way toward covering the $3.2M Cap # for KO.

 

Yeah I'm not convinced KO is going to break the bank as much as many think after the move to LT.  The move to LT might raise his price a tad, but he's not going to get elite T money after only a few games there.  Elite G money and good LT (assuming that might be what the market would dictate for him being that he's still a bit unknown there) is going to be similar.

 

And as you said, the yearly average won't mean much right off the bat.  If we want a guy, we'll find a way to get him in.  We're notorious for a $1M base salary in year 1, and I can't imagine it would be any different for KO.

[rmcjacket23]

I don't see how KO would get more than Monroe. Monroe got a upper market LT deal. While KO looked good for 3 games, I don't know if that's enough to warrant a upper market LT deal.

That said, IF KO got the exact deal that Monroe got, the 1st year Cap number would be $3.2M. If Monroe is released, the Cap savings is $2.1M, which would go a long way toward covering the $3.2M Cap # for KO.

I don't see Monroe deal as an upper market deal. It ranks 13th in AAV and 17th in guaranteed money among tackles. It's not chump change, but it's almost half of what the elite LTs are making.

So if I think KO could get top 10 Guard money on the open market, which I think you'd agree he could, that's $6M AAV. Add in the fact that he's shown line versatility, I think he can easily get $6-7M AAV in the market, meaning we'd have to pay close to that.

Monroe deal is at $7.5M AAV, so we're talking about $1M less a year in my opinion. That's pretty close.

I'm not remotely suggesting we can't sign him, because we can. I just think it's a bit more costly than people think. I think it may take a Yanda-type deal.

Edited January 6, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[SammyG]

I think Kelechi walks unfortunately. If he does and with some miracle monroe can stay healthy, I believe Jensen and Urschel can hold down left guard no problem. If that's the case with a little cap space help from Joe, I think we are in business! Flacco top 10 quarterback. Above average O-Line in Monroe when healthy, Urschel/Jensen, Zuttah, YANDA, and Wangner. Running back is a heartbreaker because we can't keep Forsett, Taliaferro, Allen, and West. Good problem to have though. Cut Pitta because Gilmore, Williams, and Boyle are legit and will only be better. SSS comes back with Perriman and I truly believe our pick at 6 will be Treadwell. SSS, Perriman, Treadwell, Aiken, and the rest of the gang filled with Camp, Butler, and maybe one more would be dynamic. Especially considering the progress mentally perriman has made with SSS and the upside each has in a SECOND YEAR Trestman offense. That consistency will be huge. Westman will have his own version of Jeffry and Marshall and Allen in Perriman, Treadwell, and Allen, but with a better line and component quarterback!!!! I think Treadwell makes us a top 5 offense next year. Scary good! I think with the little ones do have we bring in someone like Sean Smith from KC. He paired with Jimmy and hopefully elevated play from either Arrington or Walker or WILL DAVIS as the third corner could in pair with Webb and Hill at the safety make our secondary respectable. That's on top of I truly believe Carl Davis and Ladarius Smith stepping up big in year 2 with Suggs coming back. Truthfully, with Treadwell and some luck keeping injury free and one offseason corner back move, we are Super Bowl bound next year guys! Go Ravens! Please tell me how you all think, some must really disagree!

[SammyG]

Trestman will have his own version of Jeffry, Marshall, and Forte in Perriman, Treadwell, and Allen************ sorry

[GrimCoconut]

I'm surprised by the amount of people who think KO will go. I think if the rumors are true about Monroe leaving then KO will all but be guaranteed a return to Baltimore as a Raven. I think we could get him around 7.5M a year, maybe closer to $7M. 

[PurpleCity5]

He's very injury prone.

A torn ACL is a rarity believe it or not, most players don't have it, two torn ACLs is very rare. but three torn ACLs? That's extremely rare. I can't recall any player present day who suffered three torn ACLs outside of Thomas Davis. Him being injury prone shouldn't change that. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm surprised by the amount of people who think KO will go. I think if the rumors are true about Monroe leaving then KO will all but be guaranteed a return to Baltimore as a Raven. I think we could get him around 7.5M a year, maybe closer to $7M. 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-eugene-monroe-unfazed-by-injuries-expects-to-be-back-with-ravens-next-season-20160104-story.html

Yeah... About that.

Monroe needs to get healthy, but I have a feeling he'll be back after reading this. We might have to replace KO in free agency or in the draft.

 

Yay/not

Edited January 6, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I think one of the things overlooked about the defense is how much freaking youth is there. 

 

1. Za'Darius
2. Davis
3. Jernigan
4. Williams
5. CJ
6. Jimmy
7. Will Hill
8. Urban
9. Brooks
10. Elam
11. Lawrence Guy

 

 

All those guys(except for Jimmy) are under 26. That's insane. We have vets like Suggs, Webb, Daryl, and Doom. Shareece is in his physical prime and so is Lewis(who I think is cut). But that's it.

 

That defense is going to get better with experience imo. A few pieces are needed but development did occur at this point. 

 

I expect a defensive turnaround.

 

I'm not worried about the offense. Even without considering drafting someone we have a decent WR corps when healthy with two good TEs and a few good RBs.  

[JO_75]

Would kind of suck if we resigned KO and then Tunsil ends up falling right into our lap. I mean it would be awesome to have both of them but if we were to get Tunsil we could use all that KO money elsewhere.

At 6, that's a dream. Why would it be bad? KO stsys at LG, Tunsil at LT and the left side of our line is killer. If this happened Flacco would be jumping for joy.

[usmccharles]

Would kind of suck if we resigned KO and then Tunsil ends up falling right into our lap. I mean it would be awesome to have both of them but if we were to get Tunsil we could use all that KO money elsewhere.

I would be ok with this.  That would be one hell of a line to run behind and throw behind....

[GrimCoconut]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-eugene-monroe-unfazed-by-injuries-expects-to-be-back-with-ravens-next-season-20160104-story.html

Yeah... About that.

Monroe needs to get healthy, but I have a feeling he'll be back after reading this. We might have to replace KO in free agency or in the draft.

Yay/not

I try not to fall for the trap of inferring meaning but sometimes it makes sense and no where does Monroe actually say he'll be back with Baltimore. He says he's working to get back on the field.

[nyc9192]

I think one of the things overlooked about the defense is how much freaking youth is there. 

 

1. Za'Darius
2. Davis
3. Jernigan
4. Williams
5. CJ
6. Jimmy
7. Will Hill
8. Urban
9. Brooks
10. Elam
11. Lawrence Guy

 

 

All those guys(except for Jimmy) are under 26. That's insane. We have vets like Suggs, Webb, Daryl, and Doom. Shareece is in his physical prime and so is Lewis(who I think is cut). But that's it.

 

That defense is going to get better with experience imo. A few pieces are needed but development did occur at this point. 

 

I expect a defensive turnaround.

 

I'm not worried about the offense. Even without considering drafting someone we have a decent WR corps when healthy with two good TEs and a few good RBs.  

I agree with you with the defense.In regards to the offense,our wr core is worse than decent even when healthy.

[The Raven]

I try not to fall for the trap of inferring meaning but sometimes it makes sense and no where does Monroe actually say he'll be back with Baltimore. He says he's working to get back on the field.

 

Not only that, but the headline says "Monroe expects" to be back with Ravens. It's not really Monroe's decision. It's up to Ozzie and Harbaugh.

[usmccharles]

I agree with you with the defense.In regards to the offense,our wr core is worse than decent even when healthy.

even with Joe, ssr, BP, camp, forsett, Gilmore all missing time, we still put up 90 yards less than our franchise record (last year). I'm excited about our young weapons but wr does need to be addressed (Treadwell please)

[B-more Ravor]

I don't see Monroe deal as an upper market deal. It ranks 13th in AAV and 17th in guaranteed money among tackles. It's not chump change, but it's almost half of what the elite LTs are making.

So if I think KO could get top 10 Guard money on the open market, which I think you'd agree he could, that's $6M AAV. Add in the fact that he's shown line versatility, I think he can easily get $6-7M AAV in the market, meaning we'd have to pay close to that.

Monroe deal is at $7.5M AAV, so we're talking about $1M less a year in my opinion. That's pretty close.

I'm not remotely suggesting we can't sign him, because we can. I just think it's a bit more costly than people think. I think it may take a Yanda-type deal.

 

 

Yeah, may be.

 

Monroe's deal was pretty upper market (as opposed to "top of the market") when it was signed.  But, there have been 3 or 4 signed since then that have changed to complexion of the market a bit.

 

I still don't think Osemele gets to Monroe's deal, but he might get close, I guess.

[DomMcRaven]

I think one of the things overlooked about the defense is how much freaking youth is there. 

 

1. Za'Darius
2. Davis
3. Jernigan
4. Williams
5. CJ
6. Jimmy
7. Will Hill
8. Urban
9. Brooks
10. Elam
11. Lawrence Guy

 

 

All those guys(except for Jimmy) are under 26. That's insane. We have vets like Suggs, Webb, Daryl, and Doom. Shareece is in his physical prime and so is Lewis(who I think is cut). But that's it.

 

That defense is going to get better with experience imo. A few pieces are needed but development did occur at this point. 

And then we look at the offense:

 

Aiken - 26

Gilmore - 24

Boyle - 22

Maxx - 21

Perriman - 22 (please stay healthy dude)

Taliaferro - 24

Buck - 24

West - 24

 

If this team continues to develop, sky's the limit for this team. 

[SpencerH555227]

Hopefully KOs short term "tryout" at LT scared teams off willing to pay him big money

[Deflated Football]

And then we look at the offense:

Aiken - 26

Gilmore - 24

Boyle - 22

Maxx - 21

Perriman - 22 (please stay healthy dude)

Taliaferro - 24

Buck - 24

West - 24

If this team continues to develop, sky's the limit for this team.

Was thinking about this today. The potential from our TE's is scary. I've soured on Buck as becoming the starter but I think he'd be a GREAT change of pace back, like how Bernard Pierce impressed us in his rookie year. Not to mention that we have a relatively young offensive line with the exception of Yanda (who could probably be a beast till 40). Add in a possible Laquon Treadwell, and this offense can truly be special. I still believe in Forsett as well.

[SpencerH555227]

Dude I don't think we'd draft back to back 1st round receivers. Its not how our offence has been designed sense the beginning. Not only that but if trestman turned us into a top 5 offence I think he'd leave and then were left trying to match an OC with those wrs which seems to look like a headache. I'm liking Ramsey to pair with jimmy so webb(Or whichever safety is playing back) wont have to favour a side and play with more range.

[The Raven]

Hopefully KOs short term "tryout" at LT scared teams off willing to pay him big money

 

Yeah... I bet it did the opposite. KO killed it.

[rmcjacket23]

Yeah, may be.

Monroe's deal was pretty upper market (as opposed to "top of the market") when it was signed. But, there have been 3 or 4 signed since then that have changed to complexion of the market a bit.

I still don't think Osemele gets to Monroe's deal, but he might get close, I guess.

Agree. I just figure his floor is top 10 Guard money, since certainly any team wouldn't have an issue playing him there. So that's $6M a year roughly.

If that's the floor, I'm thinking $7M a year is a realistic expectation, so that's close but under Monroe deal.

2-3 months ago, I thought there was no shot we resign him. Now I think the likelihood has significantly increased.

Edited January 6, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[DomMcRaven]

Was thinking about this today. The potential from our TE's is scary. I've soured on Buck as becoming the starter but I think he'd be a GREAT change of pace back, like how Bernard Pierce impressed us in his rookie year. Not to mention that we have a relatively young offensive line with the exception of Yanda (who could probably be a beast till 40). Add in a possible Laquon Treadwell, and this offense can truly be special. I still believe in Forsett as well.

I love our TEs. What this group could be with a healthy Pitta. If only.... I also believe in Forsett, but I was just talking about the young pieces we already have. I still Forsett can still do some things and I think Buck could be more effective as a backup. Maybe we have another 3-headed monster in Forsett and a combination of Buck/Taliaferro/West. Trestman did a decent job with what he had to work with so I'm looking for this offense to take the next step next season. 

 

I think the FO is tired of finishing behind the Steelers and Bengals as well (aren't we all?). This FA is pretty much getting some veteran leadership in the needs that should be addressed (CB, OLB). If we don't get Treadwell, I wouldn't mind Stanley or Tunsil (if they're available).

Edited January 6, 2016 by DomMcRaven

[SpencerH555227]

Yea your right he did. Had the chance to go up against some great edge defenders too. Unfortunately the UFAs at LT are pretty slim this year so that'll only drive his price up. Then again when are there good left tackles on the open market

[January J]

Dude I don't think we'd draft back to back 1st round receivers. Its not how our offence has been designed sense the beginning. Not only that but if trestman turned us into a top 5 offence I think he'd leave and then were left trying to match an OC with those wrs which seems to look like a headache. I'm liking Ramsey to pair with jimmy so webb(Or whichever safety is playing back) wont have to favour a side and play with more range.

so your saying you would rather us not have a top 5 offense? If trestman gonna leave he's gonna leave..us drafting another receiver isn't gonna change that..and us having 2 young dynamic receivers would not make it any more difficult to find another oc whatsoever..if anything it would be easier and guys would be anxious to come to an offense with that kind of young explosiveness. If thats a problem then that's a damn good problem to have. Treadwell is a much safer pick than ramsey...and Ozzie will not hesitate to pull the trigger on a receiver just bc he drafted one last year..if he's the bpa we Will take him. And with the uncertainty with Perriman and sss on his way out it even furthers the reasoning to go with tread. I shared your same beliefs at first..but when you really think about it, it just makes way more sense. And the safety/cb class is much deeper. Edited January 7, 2016 by January J

[baltimorefan328]

Dude I don't think we'd draft back to back 1st round receivers. Its not how our offence has been designed sense the beginning. Not only that but if trestman turned us into a top 5 offence I think he'd leave and then were left trying to match an OC with those wrs which seems to look like a headache. I'm liking Ramsey to pair with jimmy so webb(Or whichever safety is playing back) wont have to favour a side and play with more range.

I'm not so sure about that I think Trestman is sort of in this for a longer time.  There were a ton of questions about his leadership style as a head coach before going to Chicago, and I don't think his time in Chicago really made believers of his head coaching ability to a lot of teams. I think he is a great offensive mind but not a great head coach, and I'd be more than happy if he remained here to continue implementing his offense

[ellicottraven]

Hey guys, Lovie Smith was just fired by the Bucs! I'm just stunned at how stupid other teams really are. Although he hadn't won too many games, he had the Bucs in the right direction. In any case, wouldn't it be awesome to get him to Baltimore as a defensive consultant to the HC and to work alongside Dean Pees? I don't know if he'd agree but knowing that John has been great to other HC candidates in the past, he may actually come. What do you guys think of that prospect?

[codizzle]

Hey guys, Lovie Smith was just fired by the Bucs! I'm just stunned at how stupid other teams really are. Although he hadn't won too many games, he had the Bucs in the right direction. In any case, wouldn't it be awesome to get him to Baltimore as a defensive consultant to the HC and to work alongside Dean Pees? I don't know if he'd agree but knowing that John has been great to other HC candidates in the past, he may actually come. What do you guys think of that prospect?

Na.. I'd say there's more of a chance of Ryan mallet replacing flacco as our starting QB than anything like that happening

[usmccharles]

Hey guys, Lovie Smith was just fired by the Bucs! I'm just stunned at how stupid other teams really are. Although he hadn't won too many games, he had the Bucs in the right direction. In any case, wouldn't it be awesome to get him to Baltimore as a defensive consultant to the HC and to work alongside Dean Pees? I don't know if he'd agree but knowing that John has been great to other HC candidates in the past, he may actually come. What do you guys think of that prospect?

Why suggest him being a consultant rather than a DC?

[Tru11]

lovie smith runs the tampa 2 though which is really nothing close to what we run.

 

not sure why people want it since its mostly a cover 2 scheme.

 

not many blitzes and its relies heavily on the 2 safeties the cover everything deep.