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[Guest]

What if we trade our 6th pick for say the 10/15 pick plus that teams 2nd rounder? Is that too much to ask? If we could sacrifice a few spots in the first round for a few more 2nd/3rd round picks, it may be worth it!

 

That is the very thing our Front Office has been doing for a number of years. Bisciotti even accused DeCosta of "hoarding picks" before the Flacco selection.

 

There's merit to it if your Front Office really doesn't believe the number 6 is any more valuable to the team than a player they will select at number 15 but after watching them for a number of years I'm convinced Bisciotti's view is the correct one.  Our Front Office tries to hoard multitudes of picks for "hoardings" sake.  Why?  Because they don't trust themselves with the selections. It's risky business, but a good evaluator is a good evaluator right?

 

I'd like to see them hold the line and draft at the #6 position for the entire 2016 Draft. Help this team with picks of high quality at the top of every round. If they can't do it, do we really need them making these selections?

Edited January 5, 2016 by Danny D

[January J]

Been doing some thinking here and I think we should focus on building a bully on offense. After watching the recent games, I think it's clear to me that's why we struggle against the Bengals. How do we lose to them? Turnovers, man. They have a great secondary year in and year out but we lose to them. Why? Turnovers, which primarily occur on offense, seem to be our undoing. I think if we re-sign KO, then that reduces the need for a LT even more. While I wasn't a big fan of the idea initially, after thinking some, I think we should take Treadwell with our first pick. 

 

If Perriman busts, you have an insurance policy. If Perriman booms, you have a potentially another great player across from him & could have two #1 WRs, which would be ridiculous. We will keep Aiken as well, and I wouldn't mind him at all as a #3 or #4 in that scenario. Having those two WR with Steve Smith? Wow, that is a lethal offense. That's not including the TEs. I would also inject more young talent into the OL. I'd love a high draft pick at LT, but if we re-sign KO, we need an insurance policy. This is a strong draft for LT, so we could get one on the 2nd or 3rd or maybe the 4th round. They could be a reserve LG or LT, which would be great since we can kick Hurst to the curb. 

 

This would also allow us to control the ball more. I don't like the defense and I think it can be better, but I like the potential we have already on offense & I think it may be easier to improve on the offense than the defense. Also, we've seen Ozzie pull rabbits out of his hat on defense before, especially pass rusher. 

 

This isn't to say I want us to ignore the defense. I'd be fine taking a defensive player. We need turnovers, but I think we could get that guy later. While I also think WRs are available later, I think getting a guy close to Treadwell would be harder to get. Boyd & Fuller (Notre Dame WR) are the closest to him, IMO, but I do like Treadwell's catching radius better. Coleman is also a good WR, but the Baylor thing is a concern of mine, legitimate or not.

my thoughts exactly. We're really not that far off on either side of the ball. The defense can be addressed in the later rounds but as far as this draft and with our current circumstances I'm starting to think that Treadwell may actually be the safest pick. If one of the blue chip guys fall in our Lap I think you have to take them, but if their gone I would take Treadwell over Ramsey all day long. Will Ozzie see it the same way? I'm not so sure. Whatever happens I can almost guarentee a pass rusher, receiver , corner, and OT are all taken in the first 5 rounds.

[DenverRaven]

What are people's opinions on Zuttah? Do we hold onto him and move Urshel to LG and hunt for a LT? Or do we let him go and give the job to Urshel and need a LG and a LT? A new C, LG, and LT if we think Urshel's not ready? 

 

According to OTC, Cutting Zuttah and his $4.6 million hit would save us:

1.2 million Pre-June 1st

3.5 million Post-June 1st

 

Personally, I think you keep Zuttah. He's not a world beater, but he's really solid and didn't have many injuries before this season. The more continuity on the line, the better.

[GrimCoconut]

What are people's opinions on Zuttah? Do we hold onto him and move Urshel to LG and hunt for a LT? Or do we let him go and give the job to Urshel and need a LG and a LT? A new C, LG, and LT if we think Urshel's not ready? 

 

According to OTC, Cutting Zuttah and his $4.6 million hit would save us:

1.2 million Pre-June 1st

3.5 million Post-June 1st

Yes, we should keep him. It would be silly to save only 1.2M for even a back-up center after the mess we went through in 2013. He can also play LG. I'm not sure why people keep forgetting that he played LG for the Buccaneerss as well as center. You don't want to have a ton of turnover on the OL. Getting rid of Monroe would be enough turnover, IMO.

[K-Dog]

Man I LOVE this team.

Watching some of the "cleaning out the locker " footage, I am loving the confidence this team still shows.  All ready starting a buzz for next season.   Already getting excited for next season.

I think all the players recognize this season was an aberration. 

 

I remember after the loss to N.E. in the playoffs, I personally felt so drained and defeated I didn't feel like getting into it the next season.  I really didn't even want to follow the Ravens the next season.  It took until regular season for me to get excited.

Man I am counting the days until draft, and camp and preseason.

I am excited for next season.

Already.

[DomMcRaven]

Man I LOVE this team.

Watching some of the "cleaning out the locker " footage, I am loving the confidence this team still shows.  All ready starting a buzz for next season.   Already getting excited for next season.

I think all the players recognize this season was an aberration. 

 

I remember after the loss to N.E. in the playoffs, I personally felt so drained and defeated I didn't feel like getting into it the next season.  I really didn't even want to follow the Ravens the next season.  It took until regular season for me to get excited.

Man I am counting the days until draft, and camp and preseason.

I am excited for next season.

Already.

That's the spirit. If this offseason goes well, we'll be back in the playoff hunt. Simple. 

[bMore Heathen]

Been doing some thinking here and I think we should focus on building a bully on offense. After watching the recent games, I think it's clear to me that's why we struggle against the Bengals. How do we lose to them? Turnovers, man. They have a great secondary year in and year out but we lose to them. Why? Turnovers, which primarily occur on offense, seem to be our undoing. I think if we re-sign KO, then that reduces the need for a LT even more. While I wasn't a big fan of the idea initially, after thinking some, I think we should take Treadwell with our first pick.

If Perriman busts, you have an insurance policy. If Perriman booms, you have a potentially another great player across from him & could have two #1 WRs, which would be ridiculous. We will keep Aiken as well, and I wouldn't mind him at all as a #3 or #4 in that scenario. Having those two WR with Steve Smith? Wow, that is a lethal offense. That's not including the TEs. I would also inject more young talent into the OL. I'd love a high draft pick at LT, but if we re-sign KO, we need an insurance policy. This is a strong draft for LT, so we could get one on the 2nd or 3rd or maybe the 4th round. They could be a reserve LG or LT, which would be great since we can kick Hurst to the curb.

This would also allow us to control the ball more. I don't like the defense and I think it can be better, but I like the potential we have already on offense & I think it may be easier to improve on the offense than the defense. Also, we've seen Ozzie pull rabbits out of his hat on defense before, especially pass rusher.

This isn't to say I want us to ignore the defense. I'd be fine taking a defensive player. We need turnovers, but I think we could get that guy later. While I also think WRs are available later, I think getting a guy close to Treadwell would be harder to get. Boyd & Fuller (Notre Dame WR) are the closest to him, IMO, but I do like Treadwell's catching radius better. Coleman is also a good WR, but the Baylor thing is a concern of mine, legitimate or not.

Agreed. Love Treadwell and what he could bring to this team. Let's face it, it's not every year were in a position to even think about a guy like that. We are 1 piece away from having one of those Arizona, Pitt, NE whatever you want to call it offense that can't be stopped. Tunsil is likely not an option (and maybe unnecessary depending on what happens with Monroe or KO) so hit on a WR and come back with with a pass rusher and LT with the next 2 picks.

A lot of our defensive problems can be solved with a pass rusher like Yannick. I actually like Jimmy and Wright on the outside and if Webb spends the offseason learning FS we would be a different team on defense.

[January J]

Man I LOVE this team.

Watching some of the "cleaning out the locker " footage, I am loving the confidence this team still shows.  All ready starting a buzz for next season.   Already getting excited for next season.

I think all the players recognize this season was an aberration. 

 

I remember after the loss to N.E. in the playoffs, I personally felt so drained and defeated I didn't feel like getting into it the next season.  I really didn't even want to follow the Ravens the next season.  It took until regular season for me to get excited.

Man I am counting the days until draft, and camp and preseason.

I am excited for next season.

Already.

I feel you man. There's just something about this group. And I truly believe this season happened for a reason and we will benefit from it. Our players are going to be so motivated next season to come back and prove this season was an aberration. SSS will have a fire lit under him, suggs will come around and return to his old self, Justin will step it up.and prove he wasn't just a one hit wonder or a result of kubiaks system..and Joe will show us why he's our franchise.quarter back and finally put the haters to rest when we give him some weapons in the draft/ FA....this team is going to be so motivated and have a confidence that you will not believe...I can literally already see it starting to come together even on the last day as they clean their lockers out. I can feel it. We May not win the supetbowl but we will be right back in the thick of the playoff hunt, bet that.

[rmcjacket23]

Oher drew a lot of catcalls here. None from me though.

 

The blog rule of thumb is that anyone we allow to walk was not productive and anyone we signed in their place was a potential All Pro or more.  It's really amusing to watch. 

 

I think we'll be a better team next year if we stay relatively healthy, draft well and sign legitimate players. But we are currently nowhere near the team we were in 2010, 2011 and 2012.

Well, to be fair about Oher, I didn't see any fans complaining about losing him last season when he signed a big deal with the Titans, played terribly, was benched, and cut after one season.

Kind of hypocritical and convenient to say we should have resigned him now just because he's been average this season.

But that, too, is part for the course on the blogs as well.

[January J]

Agreed. Love Treadwell and what he could bring to this team. Let's face it, it's not every year were in a position to even think about a guy like that. We are 1 piece away from having one of those Arizona, Pitt, NE whatever you want to call it offense that can't be stopped. Tunsil is likely not an option (and maybe unnecessary depending on what happens with Monroe or KO) so hit on a WR and come back with with a pass rusher and LT with the next 2 picks.

A lot of our defensive problems can be solved with a pass rusher like Yannick. I actually like Jimmy and Wright on the outside and if Webb spends the offseason learning FS we would be a different team on defense.

don't forget about will davis. Once this team gets healthy we will be in good shape. We just need to stay that way and add a few more peices.

[CorvusCorax]

Isn't that a lot of topics for just one thread?

 

I mean seriously...

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

It is hard to concede a lot of points when your offense is on the field for 35 minutes every game. I am all for drafting Treadwell, as well as addressing OT and a pass rusher. Smith, Wright and a returning Davis are good corner options in my opinion - Smith and Wright really finished the season well, and Davis showed real promise before he went down hurt. Load up the passing weapons, and some clever drafting will have that defense performing well over 16 games also. 

[Cillmatic]

We carry no dead money at the moment:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/2016/

According to this we have $7,903,687 in cap space, that can't be right, can it?

[GrimCoconut]

According to this we have $7,903,687 in cap space, that can't be right, can it?

It's probably correct but I don't believe it includes draft cap, tenders, & ERFAs, does it?

[K-Dog]

Isn't that a lot of topics for just one thread?

I mean seriously...

We are an A.D.D. bunch. You know that.

[CorvusCorax]

We are an A.D.D. bunch. You know that.

 

Yeah it just makes it difficult to follow.

 

SQUIRREL!

[Sherly_Tebow]

I really hope we get Joey Bosa or Ramsey in the draft

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I think at this point, Alexander from Clemson might be the best option at cornerback if we were to address that position in the 1st round. 

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I really hope we get Joey Bosa or Ramsey in the draft

 

Bosa is probably more suited to 4-3 and likely won't slide that far, but I would be happy to get him too. Sure we could find a way to make him a stud. 

[usmccharles]

I think at this point, Alexander from Clemson might be the best option at cornerback if we were to address that position in the 1st round. 

He seems to be catching a lot of attention lately and depending on how he does at the combine, he could blow people away even more.  I need to watch him, havent had the chance yet. 

[Winchester]

Been doing some thinking here and I think we should focus on building a bully on offense. After watching the recent games, I think it's clear to me that's why we struggle against the Bengals. How do we lose to them? Turnovers, man. They have a great secondary year in and year out but we lose to them. Why? Turnovers, which primarily occur on offense, seem to be our undoing. I think if we re-sign KO, then that reduces the need for a LT even more. While I wasn't a big fan of the idea initially, after thinking some, I think we should take Treadwell with our first pick.

If Perriman busts, you have an insurance policy. If Perriman booms, you have a potentially another great player across from him & could have two #1 WRs, which would be ridiculous. We will keep Aiken as well, and I wouldn't mind him at all as a #3 or #4 in that scenario. Having those two WR with Steve Smith? Wow, that is a lethal offense. That's not including the TEs. I would also inject more young talent into the OL. I'd love a high draft pick at LT, but if we re-sign KO, we need an insurance policy. This is a strong draft for LT, so we could get one on the 2nd or 3rd or maybe the 4th round. They could be a reserve LG or LT, which would be great since we can kick Hurst to the curb.

This would also allow us to control the ball more. I don't like the defense and I think it can be better, but I like the potential we have already on offense & I think it may be easier to improve on the offense than the defense. Also, we've seen Ozzie pull rabbits out of his hat on defense before, especially pass rusher.

This isn't to say I want us to ignore the defense. I'd be fine taking a defensive player. We need turnovers, but I think we could get that guy later. While I also think WRs are available later, I think getting a guy close to Treadwell would be harder to get. Boyd & Fuller (Notre Dame WR) are the closest to him, IMO, but I do like Treadwell's catching radius better. Coleman is also a good WR, but the Baylor thing is a concern of mine, legitimate or not.

Agree 100%!! I knew there was a reason I been following your posts.lol That is exactly what I been saying. The offense is all so close to being elite. Keeping KO reduces the need for a tackle. And Osemele Jensen Urschel Yanda Wagner is pretty formidable!! Although I like KO at guard cuz of his mailing dominance and a tackle like Tunsil or Stanley, The current OLine is pretty formidable!! Just ask The Bengals and steelers DLines. The ravens were a #1 playmaker away from dominating the the bengals and steelers by a considerable margin!! Throw in a Treadwell or Fuller. Then Maxx a couple steps faster and experience,Buck more experienced, and either Campanaro or Pro day Perriman injury free and Joe's return and that is a very formidable offensive line and offense. The ravens are a #1 receiver away and maybe one more legit receiver from a special offense. Help on defense can come in rounds3-7 and signing Zack Brown to give the ravens a very fast tough inside LB tandem that could help safety's in coverage.

[Tank 92]

Been doing some thinking here and I think we should focus on building a bully on offense. After watching the recent games, I think it's clear to me that's why we struggle against the Bengals. How do we lose to them? Turnovers, man. They have a great secondary year in and year out but we lose to them. Why? Turnovers, which primarily occur on offense, seem to be our undoing. I think if we re-sign KO, then that reduces the need for a LT even more. While I wasn't a big fan of the idea initially, after thinking some, I think we should take Treadwell with our first pick. 

 

If Perriman busts, you have an insurance policy. If Perriman booms, you have a potentially another great player across from him & could have two #1 WRs, which would be ridiculous. We will keep Aiken as well, and I wouldn't mind him at all as a #3 or #4 in that scenario. Having those two WR with Steve Smith? Wow, that is a lethal offense. That's not including the TEs. I would also inject more young talent into the OL. I'd love a high draft pick at LT, but if we re-sign KO, we need an insurance policy. This is a strong draft for LT, so we could get one on the 2nd or 3rd or maybe the 4th round. They could be a reserve LG or LT, which would be great since we can kick Hurst to the curb. 

 

This would also allow us to control the ball more. I don't like the defense and I think it can be better, but I like the potential we have already on offense & I think it may be easier to improve on the offense than the defense. Also, we've seen Ozzie pull rabbits out of his hat on defense before, especially pass rusher. 

 

This isn't to say I want us to ignore the defense. I'd be fine taking a defensive player. We need turnovers, but I think we could get that guy later. While I also think WRs are available later, I think getting a guy close to Treadwell would be harder to get. Boyd & Fuller (Notre Dame WR) are the closest to him, IMO, but I do like Treadwell's catching radius better. Coleman is also a good WR, but the Baylor thing is a concern of mine, legitimate or not. 

 

Worries about his sophomore injury?   

[Desert]

Makes sense, I do think he'll be back next season. 

I have a stupid question.If Webb can't play fast enough to be a "Cornerback" why is he considered OK to be a Safety? Don't you need speed and agility for both positions to be effective? Just curious.

 

Desert

[rmw10]

I have a stupid question.If Webb can't play fast enough to be a "Cornerback" why is he considered OK to be a Safety? Don't you need speed and agility for both positions to be effective? Just curious.

Desert

Change of direction is bigger than speed. At safety, the play is more likely going to be in front of him. He doesn't have to necessarily shadow a WR all the time.

[usmccharles]

Looks like Titans are trying to lure Eric Decosta away for their open GM position...

[CorvusCorax]

Looks like Titans are trying to lure Eric Decosta away for their open GM position...

 

*Waves hand*

 

"This is not the GM you are looking for" lol

[PurpleCity5]

I have a stupid question.If Webb can't play fast enough to be a "Cornerback" why is he considered OK to be a Safety? Don't you need speed and agility for both positions to be effective? Just curious.

 

Desert

What RMW said is totally true, to add, the position of FS requires less athleticism than CB, that and he won't have to keep up with No.1 or No.2 WRs who have killer speed and size. 

Edited January 5, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[usmccharles]

*Waves hand*

 

"This is not the GM you are looking for" lol

ah your one of them

 

*adds to the list*

[HoldingCall]

The team has a long list of F/A (30) and decisions to make along the way.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/baltimore-ravens/

[rmcjacket23]

The team has a long list of F/A (30) and decisions to make along the way.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/baltimore-ravens/

There's not that many core UFAs on that list. A lot of them are RFAs and ERFAs.

 

Tucker, Osemele and Upshaw. Every other UFA on that list I see is replaceable in my opinion. I think they'd like to keep a Shareece Wright and maybe a Chris Givens, but other than that, there's not much there.

 

Its mostly quantity, not quality.