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[usmccharles]

Where do these people Come from? Do they just make this stuff up because it's easy to prove with facts... Don't feed him

[rmw10]

Since he and Jimmy are close friends, you gotta wonder how much of an influence he must have had during that time span. Impressive indeed. 

 

The article today, which is conveniently where I got that stat, probably shows that.  I was very hard against Wright but I'm glad he proved me wrong, even if it was a short sample size.  I don't see a way we can let him go at this point, considering what else we've been throwing out there the past 2 years.

[DomMcRaven]

The article today, which is conveniently where I got that stat, probably shows that.  I was very hard against Wright but I'm glad he proved me wrong, even if it was a short sample size.  I don't see a way we can let him go at this point, considering what else we've been throwing out there the past 2 years.

That makes sense. I was too and I'm sure almost everyone here was (and a good amount wanted him cut on the spot). With the question marks at the CB position, I'd be shocked if we don't re-sign him. 

[Virginia 55]

They are absolutely in the same sentence.The reason hes been to back to back superbowls is because of his defense.The reason hes in the divisional game this year is because of his defense and a missed field goal as we saw last week against the vikings.Flacco has done nothing because he has a defense that cant close and some of the most mediocre weapons in the league.Not saying Joe doesn't have his faults and does some head scratching things but don't be fooled by russell wilson.He's an elusive game manager with an incredible heart who can improvise on the fly.He has a good rb behind him who is the bread and butter of that offense and who because of his presence,allows wilson to have the success that he has for the most part.Also what qb would you draft?Lynch or Paxton?Nah that's alright.Unless its a Jameis/Cam/Luck clear cut talent,then no thanks.

Wilson is way better than Flacco. If the Ravens were down 31-0 at half to Carolina, and that defense your talking about. Joe would clam up. We have all seen that goofy stare into nowhere many times, where he is on the field and cant figure out, he still needs a Boldin type player to be successful.

Look other than his Super Bowl run The Qb position here in Baltimore has been suspect. Honestly I'm ready to get back on the QB carousel. The only reason being, I don't think we have enough playmakers to compete anyway. (Best DL) (QB, ) (Best Wideout) all coming off of season ending injuries. We don't have any (16 game ready) talent behind those guys. Safety position is terrible. We still don't have a linebacker that can cover. We need a more explosive running back.

All of this and you talking about letting your best O- Lineman walk. If this is true we wont make the playoffs next year either. If KO walks, we might as well start rebuilding.

[Tru11]

Where do these people Come from? Do they just make this stuff up because it's easy to prove with facts... Don't feed him

 

probably 1 or 2 guys on alts lol

[nyc9192]

Wilson is way better than Flacco. If the Ravens were down 31-0 at half to Carolina, and that defense your talking about. Joe would clam up. We have all seen that goofy stare into nowhere many times, where he is on the field and cant figure out, he still needs a Boldin type player to be successful.

Look other than his Super Bowl run The Qb position here in Baltimore has been suspect. Honestly I'm ready to get back on the QB carousel. The only reason being, I don't think we have enough playmakers to compete anyway. (Best DL) (QB, ) (Best Wideout) all coming off of season ending injuries. We don't have any (16 game ready) talent behind those guys. Safety position is terrible. We still don't have a linebacker that can cover. We need a more explosive running back.

All of this and you talking about letting your best O- Lineman walk. If this is true we wont make the playoffs next year either. If KO walks, we might as well start rebuilding.

Joe does have the deer in the headlights look.I'll give you that but your reaching with Wilson being way better.First off Carolina taking they're foot of the gas in the second half has a lot to do with Seattle making the attempted comeback.Seattle fought hard but if Carolina came in with half the aggressiveness in the 2nd half,that they did in the first,the score woulda been higher.Second of all,Joe wouldn't have thrown those ints but instead would've taken the sack like a deer in the headlights.Russell Wilson tried be superman and put his team in the hole that doomed them in the first place.Even during the comeback he threw so many ducks,overthrows,under throws and ground balls,while also making bonehead moves in the pocket,he killed some key opportunities.From superbowl to this season,Seattle is trying to shift the focus to Wilson and make it his team and as we all see,they don't have the same aura about them,because Russell Wilson is a complimentary qb.He compliments the system they want to run but he's not someone that you fully build around.The reason Joe has been "suspect" is partially his own fault and partially the personnel inconsistency on the field/coaching staff changes.Your freaking out way too much.We have some work to do but your acting like we're the titans or Cleveland.Ozzie and the crew have been slippin but lets watch and see what they do first before we say the sky is falling.

Edited January 20, 2016 by nyc9192

[The Raven]

Shareece Wright only gave up 124 yards and 1 touchdown in the last 10 games, after that disastrous 49ers game of course.  I don't care who the opponents were.  That's impressive.

 

It almost makes you wonder if the lack of pass rush made the secondary look bad. Now I know our secondary wasn't great by any stretch, but I think the lack of pressure made it look infinitely worse. Going off the end of the season press conference, it seems to me that the FO sees the pass rush as the biggest problem.

[rmw10]

It almost makes you wonder if the lack of pass rush made the secondary look bad. Now I know our secondary wasn't great by any stretch, but I think the lack of pressure made it look infinitely worse. Going off the end of the season press conference, it seems to me that the FO sees the pass rush as the biggest problem.

I don't think it's any coincidence that the defense in general started playing much better when guys like Jernigan and Za'Darius started coming along from early season struggles/learning curve. The secondary is still a big need but our pass rush was putrid for the first half of the year.

[usmccharles]

I don't think it's any coincidence that the defense in general started playing much better when guys like Jernigan and Za'Darius started coming along from early season struggles/learning curve. The secondary is still a big need but our pass rush was putrid for the first half of the year.

while we can always use secondary depth, I really think our secondary is going to take a huge step forward next year. Jimmy fully healthy. Web to safety. Wright showed some skills down the road. Add that in with a pass rush I think we will be looking pretty good, not even counting what we do in the draft.

[cushrinada1986]

I wouldn't necessarily call him a steal - a lot of mocks and fans on other teams' boards have a high opinion of him.  Similar to Philip Dorsett last year or Brandin Cooks in 2014, he's the kind of player that could sneak into the late first round with a good combine and pro day.  However, this year is different than the last 8 or so for us because we have such an early pick in every round - I could see us pulling the trigger in the early second if he's still there.  But Shepard is my "surprise late first round draft pick" this year.

The guy could make some noise if you move him around and he can burn, vertically and across the field. If we get him I would assume that either him or Perrimen will be our future #1 WR. They both have speed and can be dangerous to go the distance but Sterling I feel is sharper on his routes and can separate easier from their DBs. This pick would allow us to go after an Olinemen, Pass rusher, or DB in the first round which would really help. Speaking of prospects, anyone have an idea where the walking Giant Shawn Oakman might land in the draft?

[GrimCoconut]

The guy could make some noise if you move him around and he can burn, vertically and across the field. If we get him I would assume that either him or Perrimen will be our future #1 WR. They both have speed and can be dangerous to go the distance but Sterling I feel is sharper on his routes and can separate easier from their DBs. This pick would allow us to go after an Olinemen, Pass rusher, or DB in the first round which would really help. Speaking of prospects, anyone have an idea where the walking Giant Shawn Oakman might land in the draft?

Lower than his teammate, Billings the Beast. Lol

[cushrinada1986]

Lower than his teammate, Billings the Beast. Lol

Worth a chance with his size but on a side note, may look at some highlights of Billings later.

[cushrinada1986]

Shareece Wright only gave up 124 yards and 1 touchdown in the last 10 games, after that disastrous 49ers game of course.  I don't care who the opponents were.  That's impressive.

Vernon H. in the slot with Sherece and Jimmy on the outside? Will Davis in Nickel?

[Virginia 55]

Joe does have the deer in the headlights look.I'll give you that but your reaching with Wilson being way better.First off Carolina taking they're foot of the gas in the second half has a lot to do with Seattle making the attempted comeback.Seattle fought hard but if Carolina came in with half the aggressiveness in the 2nd half,that they did in the first,the score woulda been higher.Second of all,Joe wouldn't have thrown those ints but instead would've taken the sack like a deer in the headlights.Russell Wilson tried be superman and put his team in the hole that doomed them in the first place.Even during the comeback he threw so many ducks,overthrows,under throws and ground balls,while also making bonehead moves in the pocket,he killed some key opportunities.From superbowl to this season,Seattle is trying to shift the focus to Wilson and make it his team and as we all see,they don't have the same aura about them,because Russell Wilson is a complimentary qb.He compliments the system they want to run but he's not someone that you fully build around.The reason Joe has been "suspect" is partially his own fault and partially the personnel inconsistency on the field/coaching staff changes.Your freaking out way too much.We have some work to do but your acting like we're the titans or Cleveland.Ozzie and the crew have been slippin but lets watch and see what they do first before we say the sky is falling.

This debate isn't moving forward. It's clear that Wilson is far superior to Flacco, look at his stats.

 

Next!

 

Who do you think would be a good fit here?  Who do you think doesn't fit what we are trying to do?

[Virginia 55]

Yea, we do need to draft a QB.  Flacco, BKA, Mr. Interception is simply awful!  Indeed, Flacco name mentioned in the same sentence as Wilson is unthinkable for we all know Flacco lacks the discipline, skill set, intelligence and speed.  LOL,  pretty soon the Flacco worshipers will say that Joe is better than Johnny Unitas ever was..... LOL!

I agree 

[nyc9192]

This debate isn't moving forward. It's clear that Wilson is far superior to Flacco, look at his stats.

 

Next!

 

Who do you think would be a good fit here?  Who do you think doesn't fit what we are trying to do?

Well that's not really clear but this is going nowhere so lets agree to disagree. .Theres alot of guys both in the draft and Fa that I would like.Which side of the ball?

[Virginia 55]

Since Wilson has been drafted in 2012, the Seahawks have given up 28 points 13 times - they are 1-12 in those games.  If I even made it more stringent and held it to 20+ points, the Seahawks are 9-17 since 2012 when giving up 20+ points, including 0-7 this year.  Yeah, the defense has a ton to do with Wilson's record over the past 4 seasons. Joe's first 4 seasons, the defense gave up 20+ points 24 times, and we were 10-17.  So about even.

You can stop now! Wilson's touchdown to interception ratio is uncanny not to mention when his team needs a score he leads that charge.  With halfbutt receivers.  

 

No excuses for Wilson but plenty for Flacco? 

 

If not for Aquan and Ray's retirement party, would we even be talking about Flacco is the real question?

 

We need to draft a running back, QB, pass rushers and a few O- lineman.

 

You wouldn't say QB if you were set at the position. 

[Virginia 55]

Well that's not really clear but this is going nowhere so lets agree to disagree. .Theres alot of guys both in the draft and Fa that I would like.Which side of the ball?

I would say on offense, since your pretty sure Flacco is our guy. 

[Cillmatic]

Vernon H. in the slot with Sherece and Jimmy on the outside? Will Davis in Nickel?

Or Myles Jack. Davis isn't reliable.

[jazz1988]

You can stop now! Wilson's touchdown to interception ratio is uncanny not to mention when his team needs a score he leads that charge.  With halfbutt receivers.  

 

No excuses for Wilson but plenty for Flacco? 

 

If not for Aquan and Ray's retirement party, would we even be talking about Flacco is the real question?

 

We need to draft a running back, QB, pass rushers and a few O- lineman.

 

You wouldn't say QB if you were set at the position. 

 

 

I don't know about that and I remember Flacco playing lights out against The Patriots in 2011.  Ray Lewis   even mention how great Flacco was playing  in that game game but a certain receiver dropped a  touchdown pass and a kicker missed the field  goal   which changed the game alot. I even remember  Flacco in 2014 playoff game against The Patriots once again playing great but what can a quarterback really do with one of the worst secondary in the league giving up a  14 point lead. The defense only had one job and that was hold the lead and they couldn't even do that which is pretty sad but it is what it is.

 

 

I don't think it's too far fetch to say Flacco has done his job in the playoffs but receivers and the defense has let him down at times.In 2012 playoffs it was actually the only time when ever body was on one page and Flacco receivers finally made plays when it really mattered from Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, Anquan Boldin, Dennis Pitta ,and etc.. Saying Ray Lewis retirement announcement made Flacco play better is beyound false because the guy been had played  his butt off before and he hasn't slacked off since(see 2014 playoff games)

[rmcjacket23]

I would say on offense, since your pretty sure Flacco is our guy.

Well, I mean, they're a top 12 offense last season with healthy personnel excluding Perriman, and that's with marginal talent at many positions. So defense certainly needs the bigger influx in personnel.

Will need to address Oline obviously, but I wouldn't expect or really need immediate upgrades in other spots. It's a 2-3 year concern, not a 2016 concern.

Wouldn't hold your breath on drafting a QB either, especially looking at what college is churning out these days.

[arnie_uk]

Virgina and wisdom. One of you have to be Harbaugh, the other that guy bmoreinbmore who said in January 2013 , 3 weeks before we won the superbowl, and I quote, "the next time the ravens hoist the lombardi flacco won't be a part of this team".

[Virginia 55]

I don't know about that and I remember Flacco playing lights out against The Patriots in 2011.  Ray Lewis   even mention how great Flacco was playing  in that game game but a certain receiver dropped a  touchdown pass and a kicker missed the field  goal   which changed the game alot. I even remember  Flacco in 2014 playoff game against The Patriots once again playing great but what can a quarterback really do with one of the worst secondary in the league giving up a  14 point lead. The defense only had one job and that was hold the lead and they couldn't even do that which is pretty sad but it is what it is.

 

 

I don't think it's too far fetch to say Flacco has done his job in the playoffs but receivers and the defense has let him down at times.In 2012 playoffs it was actually the only time when ever body was on one page and Flacco receivers finally made plays when it really mattered from Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, Anquan Boldin, Dennis Pitta ,and etc.. Saying Ray Lewis retirement announcement made Flacco play better is beyound false because the guy been had played  his butt off before and he hasn't slacked off since(see 2014 playoff games)

A better question then would be how many games do you remember him losing for us.  That Pittsburgh saga qwas brutal for a while.  Although i must admit at times I don't mind you guys building him up, in fact it might be starting to grow on me, But not at his current figure.

 

Flacco isn't worth what we are paying him, and you just mentioned the best he has ever been for us. 

 

We need to seriously consider a QB. Im sorry.  I know you guys love him.  I like him just not at that number. I really dont care what the market value is, i just know, he is not worth anywhere near that number. 

[Virginia 55]

Virgina and wisdom. One of you have to be Harbaugh, the other that guy bmoreinbmore who said in January 2013 , 3 weeks before we won the superbowl, and I quote, "the next time the ravens hoist the lombardi flacco won't be a part of this team".

Huh???

[Virginia 55]

Well, I mean, they're a top 12 offense last season with healthy personnel excluding Perriman, and that's with marginal talent at many positions. So defense certainly needs the bigger influx in personnel.

Will need to address Oline obviously, but I wouldn't expect or really need immediate upgrades in other spots. It's a 2-3 year concern, not a 2016 concern.

Wouldn't hold your breath on drafting a QB either, especially looking at what college is churning out these days.

So who would you draft at 6? An offensive guy to give Flacco the help that he obviously needs.  

 

OR

 

A defensive guy to disguise the help that our elite QB obviously needs. J/K

 

No seriously, who would you draft at 6 and why? 

[jazz1988]

A better question then would be how many games do you remember him losing for us.  That Pittsburgh saga qwas brutal for a while.  Although i must admit at times I don't mind you guys building him up, in fact it might be starting to grow on me, But not at his current figure.

 

Flacco isn't worth what we are paying him, and you just mentioned the best he has ever been for us. 

 

We need to seriously consider a QB. Im sorry.  I know you guys love him.  I like him just not at that number. I really dont care what the market value is, i just know, he is not worth anywhere near that number. 

 

 

You really nitpicking and trying to find every excuse to dislike him but ok.. I think Flacco worth everything he got so far and  yeah his cap hit will be 28 million possibly next season but no player in my opinion is worth a cap hit that large but that's the price for having a winning quarterback which doesn't grow on trees. I'm sure The Ravens will work things out with his contract but if not then I rather have Flacco with that cap hit than not having Flacco at all which wouldn't happen any way(he's not getting cut or traded).

[Ravenslifer]

You can stop now! Wilson's touchdown to interception ratio is uncanny not to mention when his team needs a score he leads that charge.  With halfbutt receivers.  

 

No excuses for Wilson but plenty for Flacco? 

 

If not for Aquan and Ray's retirement party, would we even be talking about Flacco is the real question?

 

We need to draft a running back, QB, pass rushers and a few O- lineman.

 

You wouldn't say QB if you were set at the position. 

 

Lol get out of here with this garbage - you can't even answer the point of my post.  Wilson's teams don't win when the opposition actually puts points on the board.  His TD-INT ratio?  In his entire career he's only thrown the ball 30+ times 23 times in 4 seasons.  Does a 23-9 ratio sound good to you?  Because that's Sam Bradford's career when he doesn't throw the ball more than 30 times.  Pretty easy not to throw a pick when your not actually, you know, throwing the ball.

Edited January 21, 2016 by Ravenslifer

[usmccharles]

You can stop now! Wilson's touchdown to interception ratio is uncanny not to mention when his team needs a score he leads that charge.  With halfbutt receivers.  

 

No excuses for Wilson but plenty for Flacco? 

 

If not for Aquan and Ray's retirement party, would we even be talking about Flacco is the real question?

 

We need to draft a running back, QB, pass rushers and a few O- lineman.

 

You wouldn't say QB if you were set at the position. 

Good thing we are set at the position then

[Virginia 55]

Lol get out of here with this garbage - you can't even answer the point of my post.  Wilson's teams don't win when the opposition actually puts points on the board.  His TD-INT ratio?  In his entire career he's only thrown the ball 30+ times 23 times in 4 seasons.  Does a 23-9 ratio sound good to you?  Because that's Sam Bradford's career when he doesn't throw the ball more than 30 times.  Pretty easy not to throw a pick when your not actually, you know, throwing the ball.

You are one of those guys that don't count rushing touchdowns right? Like running the ball doesn't matter. If that is so, then we have nothing else to talk about.  You have an old school mind in a new school game. 

Edited January 21, 2016 by Virginia 55

[Virginia 55]

Good thing we are set at the position then

Not even close to set.