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[nyc9192]

Wow What????? Wilson is way better than Flacco.  I'm even a little upset you put them in the same sentence.  In free agency we need to look at a Quarterback as well.

 

I think he might benefit from having someone that could potentially take his job behind him. I don't mean Ryan Mallett either.

 

  You talk about Wilson's defense carrying him, he has been in back to back Super-bowls and a divisional round playoff game this year.  What has Flacco done since the Super Bowl year? Take all of his years here in Baltimore and Flacco has been pedestrian with excuses.

 

We need to draft a QB. Not early, but we definitely need to carry three this year.   

They are absolutely in the same sentence.The reason hes been to back to back superbowls is because of his defense.The reason hes in the divisional game this year is because of his defense and a missed field goal as we saw last week against the vikings.Flacco has done nothing because he has a defense that cant close and some of the most mediocre weapons in the league.Not saying Joe doesn't have his faults and does some head scratching things but don't be fooled by russell wilson.He's an elusive game manager with an incredible heart who can improvise on the fly.He has a good rb behind him who is the bread and butter of that offense and who because of his presence,allows wilson to have the success that he has for the most part.Also what qb would you draft?Lynch or Paxton?Nah that's alright.Unless its a Jameis/Cam/Luck clear cut talent,then no thanks.

[Tru11]

They are absolutely in the same sentence.The reason hes been to back to back superbowls is because of his defense.The reason hes in the divisional game this year is because of his defense and a missed field goal as we saw last week against the vikings.Flacco has done nothing because he has a defense that cant close and some of the most mediocre weapons in the league.Not saying Joe doesn't have his faults and does some head scratching things but don't be fooled by russell wilson.He's an elusive game manager with an incredible heart who can improvise on the fly.He has a good rb behind him who is the bread and butter of that offense and who because of his presence,allows wilson to have the success that he has for the most part.Also what qb would you draft?Lynch or Paxton?Nah that's alright.Unless its a Jameis/Cam/Luck clear cut talent,then no thanks.

 

there isent much difference between flacco and wilson TBH.

 

each have their own strength and weaknesses but you cant go wrong with either.

[usmccharles]

We should ride out this year with Joe.  Joe has been very average with the exception of last years playoffs and the Super Bowl.  Joe is a good QB but we paid him to be a top 5 QB which he is definitely not.  This season when he played he wouldn't even be considered top 10.  

It depends how you look at Joe.  Hes not going to throw for 5k yards and 40 TDs during the regular season, but in the playoffs he turns it on, always.  Look at Matt Ryan, his stats look nice but he can never win when it counts.  I dont care if Joe ever breaks the 4k yard market, just get us more rings.  We paid him top 5 money becuase he deserved it, but he does need to be more consistent throughout the regular season, no doubt.  And its smarter now to extend him becaues the cost of Qbs go up every year, its simple economics

there isent much difference between flacco and wilson TBH.

 

each have their own strength and weaknesses but you cant go wrong with either.

I agree. Although, Wilson went on a crazy stretch of lighting up defenses, and that wasnt his defense.  Wilson has far superior pocket awareness than Joe, which i think has always been one of his biggest problems.  Joe should always use his legs more...

[January J]

No, not the same mess.  Lowers his two killer Cap hits in 2016 and 2017 and then nothing approaching $28.55M or $31.15M in future.  Higher later Cap numbers can easily be accommodated in later year because Cap will be much, much higher (ie a $27M Cap hit in 2021 won't seem as high as it does now, if he's even still on team).

 

No, in ideal world, no one would want those kinds of hits either ($25-27M), but given the parameters of where they are with Cap now and how much is still owed Flacco, it's going to be hard to make it happen any other way (although, that's probably the upper limits of a deal). 

 

That is, unless they decide to do nothing with the contract in 2016 and revisit it in 2017 when some of the leverage swings back in the team's favor and Flacco no longer has ( pretty much) all of the leverage.

that's a good point. Push the higher cap hits back even further when the overall cap will have increased by a good amount.

[nyc9192]

there isent much difference between flacco and wilson TBH.

 

each have their own strength and weaknesses but you cant go wrong with either.

There is a difference skill wise.I think Joe has more potential but never really has the chance to show it from a personal point.Other than that I agree with you there isn't much of a difference right now.

[Deflated Football]

Clifton Brown on LFW writing what I've been saying for a couple of months now. If DeSean is a cap casualty, I really hope we pick him up.

[GrimCoconut]

Clifton Brown on LFW writing what I've been saying for a couple of months now. If DeSean is a cap casualty, I really hope we pick him up.

He'd be a nice addition. Lol imagine Steve Smith Sr and Jackson on the same team, though. Oh man Edited January 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Deflated Football]

He'd be a nice addition. Lol imagine Steve Smith Sr and Jackson on the same team, though. Oh man

True but we've had a lot of strong minded characters come in and out of Baltimore and I think Harbaugh likes having some diversity in the locker room lol

[Tru11]

There is a difference skill wise.I think Joe has more potential but never really has the chance to show it from a personal point.Other than that I agree with you there isn't much of a difference right now.

 

he has the ideal QB mold for sure.

size and big arm.

 

however wilson has a pretty big arm as well though but what he lacks in size he makes up with his elusiveness.

 

potentially flacco probably has the edge cause guys like wilson have a harder time to last long in this league.

they need to get him an o-line cause his body is going to break down at some point and he aint going to be able to dodge bullets for ever lol

[nyc9192]

he has the ideal QB mold for sure.

size and big arm.

 

however wilson has a pretty big arm as well though but what he lacks in size he makes up with his elusiveness.

 

potentially flacco probably has the edge cause guys like wilson have a harder time to last long in this league.

they need to get him an o-line cause his body is going to break down at some point and he aint going to be able to dodge bullets for ever lol

Agreed

[B-more Ravor]

If anybody remembers the players have a chance to opt out 2 yrs before the CBA expires(just like owners had it in the previus CBA) and believe me they will go on strike. When the new CBA came in earlier the cap actually dropped by about 10 mil and took like 3yrs to actually crawl above what it was before the new agreement and chances are this could happen again. We've just been extremely lucky that the cap has been jumping by leaps and bounds but there's been times before that the cap flatlines(maybe raises a couple mil) or has dipped. Its kinda like wall st..

 

I want Joe to stay our QB until he retires but not as the 2nd highes paid and again I'm talking bout cap hit not base salary therefore it might be best for the Ravens to simply ride this year out until they can gain some leverage.

 

 

The Cap has only flatlined or gone backwards when the 2011 lockout occurred.  And, that was only time that ever happened.  All other times the CBA has come up for extension/renewal, the Cap has gone up. 

 

You can say the Ravens have been extremely lucky that the Cap has increased like it has, but that was expected all along.  From the time the CBA was agreed upon, it was understood there'd be a couple of tough years and then sizeable growth again once the new TV money kicked it.

 

What wasn't expected in 2009 was that the owners would so thoroughly win the 2011 CBA negotiations that the Cap would take such an unprecedented dive.  The Ravens were extremely unlucky when that happened and that has really been the root cause (along with the tough breaks on some contracts - some chance, some not) of their Cap issues since.

Edited January 19, 2016 by B-more Ravor

[GrimCoconut]

The Cap has only flatlined or gone backwards when the 2011 lockout occurred. And, that was only time that ever happened. All other times the CBA has come up for extension/renewal, the Cap has gone up.

You can say the Ravens have been extremely lucky that the Cap has increased like it has, but that was expected all along. From the time the CBA was agreed upon, it was understood there'd be a couple of tough years and then sizeable growth again once the new TV money kicked it.

What wasn't expected in 2009 was that the owners would so thorough win the 2011 CBA negotiations that the Cap would take such an unprecedented dive. The Ravens were extremely unlucky when that happened and that has really been the root cause (along with the tough breaks on some contracts - some chance, some not) of their Cap issues since.

Hence we cut Mason a year after extending him and the loss of Heap and Gregg

[dollyssara]

Just read that Morgan Cox is going to the pro bowl as a needs player.  Have a blast Morgan, you deserve it.

[Wildabeast88]

Clifton Brown on LFW writing what I've been saying for a couple of months now. If DeSean is a cap casualty, I really hope we pick him up.

don't like him never have to much of a diva WR and always finds a way to screw up a TD I will pass

[Deflated Football]

don't like him never have to much of a diva WR and always finds a way to screw up a TD I will pass

Well he's a playmaker and could be a cap casualty, two things Ozzie loves. Plus Harbaugh knows how to handle those with diva personalities

[Wisdom]

Wow What????? Wilson is way better than Flacco.  I'm even a little upset you put them in the same sentence.  In free agency we need to look at a Quarterback as well.

 

I think he might benefit from having someone that could potentially take his job behind him. I don't mean Ryan Mallett either.

 

  You talk about Wilson's defense carrying him, he has been in back to back Super-bowls and a divisional round playoff game this year.  What has Flacco done since the Super Bowl year? Take all of his years here in Baltimore and Flacco has been pedestrian with excuses.

 

We need to draft a QB. Not early, but we definitely need to carry three this year.   

Yea, we do need to draft a QB.  Flacco, BKA, Mr. Interception is simply awful!  Indeed, Flacco name mentioned in the same sentence as Wilson is unthinkable for we all know Flacco lacks the discipline, skill set, intelligence and speed.  LOL,  pretty soon the Flacco worshipers will say that Joe is better than Johnny Unitas ever was..... LOL!

[Wisdom]

We should ride out this year with Joe.  Joe has been very average with the exception of last years playoffs and the Super Bowl.  Joe is a good QB but we paid him to be a top 5 QB which he is definitely not.  This season when he played he wouldn't even be considered top 10.  

 

Top 10 not even the top 20.  He's awful!

[Wildabeast88]

Yea, we do need to draft a QB.  Flacco, BKA, Mr. Interception is simply awful!  Indeed, Flacco name mentioned in the same sentence as Wilson is unthinkable for we all know Flacco lacks the discipline, skill set, intelligence and speed.  LOL,  pretty soon the Flacco worshipers will say that Joe is better than Johnny Unitas ever was..... LOL!

how many Super Bowl MVPs does Wilson have scoreboard. DONE. Wilson is way overrated what happened this week when it was up to him his D didn't bail him out he had no running game average at best. Joe constantly takes no weapons and wins with it

[Wildabeast88]

Top 10 not even the top 20.  He's awful!

Troll? Seriously

[Wildabeast88]

Top 10 not even the top 20.  He's awful!

look at 2014 stats more TDs than Stafford more yards than Romo so I guess those 2 aren't top 25

[Wisdom]

Lol, not quite.

I always get a chuckle when fans whine about Joe being overpaid at $20M, yet every realistic person knows the floor for said player league wide is $17-18M a year.

So we make this big outrage over a 1-2% yearly difference in salary cap space. It's almost like fans think we are one $2M a year player away from being a SB contender or something.

It's really getting quite laughable with the lack of overall perspective. Go ahead, pay him $2M a year less so he's in line with the others just like him...and we will win zero more games.

Brilliant.

 

LOL, yea, right!!!  Laughable indeed.

[rmw10]

Shareece Wright only gave up 124 yards and 1 touchdown in the last 10 games, after that disastrous 49ers game of course.  I don't care who the opponents were.  That's impressive.

[Wisdom]

how many Super Bowl MVPs does Wilson have scoreboard. DONE. Wilson is way overrated what happened this week when it was up to him his D didn't bail him out he had no running game average at best. Joe constantly takes no weapons and wins with it

 

Really, you must be joking!  No weapons?  With Flacco's inaccurate arm it doesn't matters what you give him for he will find a way to overthrow and / or under-throw his receivers.  

[Wildabeast88]

Top 10 not even the top 20.  He's awful!

this year 10 games completion percentage 13th top half of the league and not much for weapons yards 25th in 10 games TDs 26th again 10 games at his average he ould have been 15th if he the average of 1.5tds a game so he would have probably been better than that probably around 30TDs And if Flacco played the whole year the Ravens were 8th in league in passing Wilson 12th. Scoreboard please bring facts.not Skip Bayless type bashing

[Ravenslifer]

Wow What????? Wilson is way better than Flacco.  I'm even a little upset you put them in the same sentence.  In free agency we need to look at a Quarterback as well.

 

I think he might benefit from having someone that could potentially take his job behind him. I don't mean Ryan Mallett either.

 

  You talk about Wilson's defense carrying him, he has been in back to back Super-bowls and a divisional round playoff game this year.  What has Flacco done since the Super Bowl year? Take all of his years here in Baltimore and Flacco has been pedestrian with excuses.

 

We need to draft a QB. Not early, but we definitely need to carry three this year.   

 

Since Wilson has been drafted in 2012, the Seahawks have given up 28 points 13 times - they are 1-12 in those games.  If I even made it more stringent and held it to 20+ points, the Seahawks are 9-17 since 2012 when giving up 20+ points, including 0-7 this year.  Yeah, the defense has a ton to do with Wilson's record over the past 4 seasons. Joe's first 4 seasons, the defense gave up 20+ points 24 times, and we were 10-17.  So about even.

Edited January 20, 2016 by Ravenslifer

[Wisdom]

Troll? Seriously

Why?  Because you don't like my response.  You don't have to agree with me but let's keep it civil.  In fact, I'm not seeking agreement.  These are my thoughts.  If don't like them then please don't response. 

[Wildabeast88]

Really, you must be joking!  No weapons?  With Flacco's inaccurate arm it doesn't matters what you give him for he will find a way to overthrow and / or under-throw his receivers.

end of the year 3rd string RB 3rdWR and then a bunch of guys who couldn't make teams 4th TE yeah no weapons injuries turned us into a JV squad to many injuries to starters.

[Wildabeast88]

Why?  Because you don't like my response.  You don't have to agree with me but let's keep it civil.  In fact, I'm not seeking agreement.  These are my thoughts.  If don't like them then please don't response.

all I'm saying is check facts top 8th in yards per game 13th in comp percentage and would have been in the top half in TDs had he stayed healthy

[DomMcRaven]

Shareece Wright only gave up 124 yards and 1 touchdown in the last 10 games, after that disastrous 49ers game of course.  I don't care who the opponents were.  That's impressive.

Since he and Jimmy are close friends, you gotta wonder how much of an influence he must have had during that time span. Impressive indeed. 

[rmcjacket23]

Yea, we do need to draft a QB.  Flacco, BKA, Mr. Interception is simply awful!  Indeed, Flacco name mentioned in the same sentence as Wilson is unthinkable for we all know Flacco lacks the discipline, skill set, intelligence and speed.  LOL,  pretty soon the Flacco worshipers will say that Joe is better than Johnny Unitas ever was..... LOL!

Well, he's been in the league for 8 years, so if you don't know what skills he has by now, then you haven't been watching.

That's certainly not Joe's problem...