Next up: Pro-bowl, Free Agency, Draft and the Salary Cap

[K-Dog]

Have to see it 1st. If I was the Skins I'd franchize tag him and make him prove it another year.

Please.  Its The Skins.

They will pay him 55.5 Jabillion dollars.

The Skins are experts at "going all in" .

[ellicottraven]

kind of helps finances when your wife makes more than you do...

Precisely! And she is plenty easy on the senses too I figure!

[arnie_uk]

I think we will see the ravens guaranteeing base salary more moving forward. You'll be able to keep the cap hits flatter and the player still gets as much guaranteed. Only issue is then if you want to cut them you'll be on the hook for the full base salary.

Flacco for instance signed 6 years 20 a year. We could have just paid him 15 mil base salary every year and fully guaranteed his first 2 years say and a 30 mil signing bonus.

That would have been 60 mil guaranteed but cap hits of 21 mil X 5 years, 15 mil his final year.

He still got his 60 guaranteed, but the cap hits are flatter.

[RavensRegime]

We need to start over @ running back. I like Derrick Henry, big brusing back with speed.

[usmccharles]

We need to start over @ running back. I like Derrick Henry, big brusing back with speed.

Id rather have a playmaker at RB, a ray rice clone in a sense

[Wildabeast88]

We need to start over @ running back. I like Derrick Henry, big brusing back with speed.

to many other needs and Henry isn't even the best back Ezekiel Elliott is better all around Trestman likes to use passes ti the RBs and I can't remember Henry catching anything I think we need to address other issues before we even think about RB

[Purple_City39]

Anyone been following Sterling Shepard?  The kid looks like a nice 2-3 round steal

[usmccharles]

Anyone been following Sterling Shepard?  The kid looks like a nice 2-3 round steal

Ive checked him out along with Boyd, docston, coleman

[Wildabeast88]

Ive checked him out along with Boyd, docston, coleman

most mocks have him as a 3rd

[terrynjulia03]

Joe is #2 for 2016 in cap hit, but #3-9 on the list are $20M+.  Something else worth mentioning is that a lot of QBs are still early in their deals, and they're backloaded as well, meaning their cap hit is only going to go up in the coming years.

Not exactly. I posted this before. All right from Sportrac

Rodgers is flat at 21m per

Ben has cap hits of 23,18,23,23

Rivers 21,18,19,20

Ryan 9,17,19,23,23,21

I didnt look up Brees but yes his is pretty high. They'll be restructuring his also for sure. Bradys cap numbers are flat at 17.

[January J]

We need to start over @ running back. I like Derrick Henry, big brusing back with speed.

 no we don't. Can't see us taking a rb in the first 3 rounds, if at all. If Elliot's there in the 3rd we'd take him- that's about it. 

Anyone been following Sterling Shepard?  The kid looks like a nice 2-3 round steal

yeah I think he's a real option for us, esp in the third. Oz likes them guys that have football in their blood- his father was also a pro wr.

[1rudedog]

Dead Money is starting to look like the National Debt... Sorta like borrowing from 1 pot to replace what mistake was made in the other pot.... Poor decisions in the draft and free agency is starting to look ugly... Dumer looks to be the only decent pickup in the last few years and that was fishermans luck... I thought I saw John Simon in the Cinci / Pit game maybe... We cut him and keep an Arthur brown but maybe in another 3 years Brown may break the lineup...

 

Oz, give it up and go back to a desk job, its over man....Mallett is a better qB than Flacco, lets eat some more dead money... 12/13 mill is about all he's worth... Trade him, Cut him, Monroe, Kendall, Hill, etc., etc., and there is a linebacker coming up for contract that needs to see the door.... Just my thougjht

[1rudedog]

Cut all the obvious and consider trading Dumervil so his new team picks up his salary. The obvious arrington,Canty,Daryl Smith,Lewis,Monroe, Forsett,Elam,Pitta retire, Webb(he looks slow out there) and Joe takes a little paycut and moves some money. I know how the cap works but I do not know much about players contracts. Could Joe taking a paycut and getting an extension on his money create as much as $8mil?? Then another 10$mil in player cuts and an increase in the salary cap could leave the ravens with $20mil or a little more??

I so agree... Most of them will retire anyway... Hope Joe takes a cut and moves somewhere else... Mallett could be a better QB in the future, nothing to lose, not much room to do worse.... Flacco makes some very messy choices at the end of games, especially those on the line...Mallett did better with less... my opinion

[1rudedog]

Upshaw needs to go!! He is terrible. No respectable team puts him in their uniform. He is useless!! Is there any way the ravens can take Monroe to court??

Upshaw - another one of Oz's super picks... Seems those value picks in the 3 to 5 rounds Oz makes does better with other teams... the 4 & 5 round picks Oz gave up for Monroe probably are pro bowlers, joking....then again!

[rmw10]

Safety is going to be an awfully crowded position for us next season.

 

Webb, Hill, Lewis, Brooks, Elam, Levine, and Trawick.

 

Of course, any of Webb, Lewis, or Elam could be cut.  Trawick is an RFA but I'd imagine they want to keep him and/or Levine for ST purposes.  That's still a crowded position and it wouldn't be farfetched to see another added in the draft.

[GrimCoconut]

Upshaw - another one of Oz's super picks... Seems those value picks in the 3 to 5 rounds Oz makes does better with other teams... the 4 & 5 round picks Oz gave up for Monroe probably are pro bowlers, joking....then again!

I'm in no way saying Ozzie is bad. I still think Ozzie is arguably the best in the business. He's not absolved of his mistakes, though, you're right. Sadly, I looked into who we didn't get because of the Monroe deal. Before I say, I'll say that I originally loved the move and loved re-signing him. Sadly, it looks like Jacksonville won that deal.

And now, who Monroe cost us:

4th round pick: CB Aaron Colvin, WR Martavis Bryant, LB Anthony Hitchens, CB Walt Aiken, S Brock Vereen

5th round pick: not much happened here

The biggest name is Bryant for sure, especially with how we struggled there.

[Tank 92]

Please.  Its The Skins.

They will pay him 55.5 Jabillion dollars.

The Skins are experts at "going all in" .

 

Huge changes in DC since the arrival of Scot McCloughan. 

[usmccharles]

Oz, give it up and go back to a desk job, its over man....Mallett is a better qB than Flacco, lets eat some more dead money... 12/13 mill is about all he's worth... Trade him, Cut him, Monroe, Kendall, Hill, etc., etc., and there is a linebacker coming up for contract that needs to see the door.... Just my thougjht

haha wow... Talk about an over reaction. Unless your being sarcastic, can't tell. Hope so...

[Wildabeast88]

haha wow... Talk about an over reaction. Unless your being sarcastic, can't tell. Hope so...

yeah I hope so if not i'm sure he could get a job for he Browns

[nyc9192]

Webb is at FS, and we have Will Hill, and we'll have Matt Elam, and we'll have draft picks. No sense at all bringing in Weddle

Not trying to knock your post,but Weddle even at 31 and with his injuries is better than webb and elam put together.

Edited January 16, 2016 by nyc9192

[jazz1988]

Not trying to knock your post,but Weddle even at 31 and with his injuries is better than webb and elam put together.

 

 Weddle for sure is better and  is more proven at that position as well. I'm honestly interested in Webb  at free safety because the guy has ball hawking traits and seem pretty smart enough to handle the communication duties in which  free safeties have.If Webb can be just as good as Weddle  or just a solid  free safety then that's a win win situation for them.

[Ravenseconbeast]

There are reports that Kirk Cousins may get $21M+ a year after one good season. Flacco is absolutely worth a $25M cap hit. This is what QB contracts are nowadays.

Oh pleaae..Didn't Flacco get his contract after playoffs? Bc I'm pretty sure his performance in regular season was a stinker. Now after few years, we are forced to pay him more. He is the epitome of a bad contract/player.

Don't be a homer, Joe is not worth as much as Aaron Rodgers is.

'That's the market nowadays' is only for idiots who are willing to pay that amount. Just like miami dictated Suhs market is what he paid now. Ridiculous..

Edited January 17, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[rmcjacket23]

Didn't Flacco get his contract after playoffs? Bc I'm pretty sure his performance in regular season was stinker.

Don't be a homer, Joe is not worth as much as Aaron Rodgers is if your talking about 25m

Depends on what you are looking for from a QB. If you want a guy who will dominate the Lions in October, Rodgers is a great choice.

Plus, Rodgers contract is worth more in average annual value and guaranteed money than Joes

[rmw10]

Oh pleaae..Didn't Flacco get his contract after playoffs? Bc I'm pretty sure his performance in regular season was a stinker. Now after few years, we are forced to pay him more. He is the epitome of a bad contract/player.

Don't be a homer, Joe is not worth as much as Aaron Rodgers is.

'That's the market nowadays' is only for idiots who are willing to pay that amount. Just like miami dictated Suhs market is what he paid now. Ridiculous..

 

If you're okay with going through a list of Anthony Wright, Kyle Boller, and Jeff Blake types of QBs again, then sure, Flacco isn't worth a big deal.  The days of getting a QB for around $15M are over.  If you have a guy, you have to pay him.  It's as simple as that nowadays.  It's not like you can play hardball and say "oh, we'll just get someone else."  The QB holds all of the leverage.

[Ravenslifer]

Anyone been following Sterling Shepard?  The kid looks like a nice 2-3 round steal

 

I wouldn't necessarily call him a steal - a lot of mocks and fans on other teams' boards have a high opinion of him.  Similar to Philip Dorsett last year or Brandin Cooks in 2014, he's the kind of player that could sneak into the late first round with a good combine and pro day.  However, this year is different than the last 8 or so for us because we have such an early pick in every round - I could see us pulling the trigger in the early second if he's still there.  But Shepard is my "surprise late first round draft pick" this year.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Ravenslifer

[Ravenseconbeast]

If you're okay with going through a list of Anthony Wright, Kyle Boller, and Jeff Blake types of QBs again, then sure, Flacco isn't worth a big deal. The days of getting a QB for around $15M are over. If you have a guy, you have to pay him. It's as simple as that nowadays. It's not like you can play hardball and say "oh, we'll just get someone else." The QB holds all of the leverage.

Stop the fear mongering. Flacco isn't special enough to have him match the price of guys like Rodgers or Russell. Flacco will never top guys like that.

There are so much young QBs that are more pro ready then ever before and you can match Flaccos progression among any mediocre QBs in the draft right now if you give him the chance like we have, EASILY.

You can take your 1TD/1INT guy and fear we are going to be the next browns w/o joe . I'm smart enough to know he doesn't have enough talent to offset what we are paying him to be a elite SB contenders.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[rmcjacket23]

Oh pleaae..Didn't Flacco get his contract after playoffs? Bc I'm pretty sure his performance in regular season was a stinker. Now after few years, we are forced to pay him more. He is the epitome of a bad contract/player.

Don't be a homer, Joe is not worth as much as Aaron Rodgers is.

'That's the market nowadays' is only for idiots who are willing to pay that amount. Just like miami dictated Suhs market is what he paid now. Ridiculous..

Then apparently there's a gigantic amount of GMs who don't know as much as fans do then, because there's a large quantity of teams who pay in that same market. It's certainly not limited to 1-2 teams.

In 2016, there is scheduled to be 9 QBs averaging over $20M AAV, and 9 more averaging over $15M a season. That's called a majority. The only good QBs not in that list are Brady and rookie deals.

The market tells you all you need to know. Unless you get a really good QB on a rookie deal, which is becoming increasingly harder to find every year, you've got to spend north of $15M on a QB to be relevant in this league. And even when you get that rookie, that big contract is inevitable anyway.

Once you get above that price, I don't see much difference between $17M or $20M.

Edited January 17, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rmcjacket23]

Stop the fear mongering. Flacco isn't special enough to have him match the price of guys like Rodgers or Russell. Flacco will never top guys like that.

There are so much young QBs that are more pro ready then ever before and you can match Flaccos progression among any mediocre QBs in the draft right now if you give him the chance like we have, EASILY.

You can take your 1TD/1INT guy and fear we are going to be the next browns w/o joe . I'm smart enough to know he doesn't have enough talent to offset what we are paying him to be a elite SB contenders.

You're literally one of the only people I've ever heard say that young guys are more pro ready these days.

It's the single biggest problem between college and NFL today...serious lack of quality QB play coming from college to the Pros.

[arnie_uk]

Stop the fear mongering. Flacco isn't special enough to have him match the price of guys like Rodgers or Russell. Flacco will never top guys like that.

There are so much young QBs that are more pro ready then ever before and you can match Flaccos progression among any mediocre QBs in the draft right now if you give him the chance like we have, EASILY.

You can take your 1TD/1INT guy and fear we are going to be the next browns w/o joe . I'm smart enough to know he doesn't have enough talent to offset what we are paying him to be a elite SB contenders.

look at Russell Wilson go. 4 passes 2 interceptions.

You'd have flacco hung drawn and quartered for that.

[Wildabeast88]

Oh pleaae..Didn't Flacco get his contract after playoffs? Bc I'm pretty sure his performance in regular season was a stinker. Now after few years, we are forced to pay him more. He is the epitome of a bad contract/player.

Don't be a homer, Joe is not worth as much as Aaron Rodgers is.

'That's the market nowadays' is only for idiots who are willing to pay that amount. Just like miami dictated Suhs market is what he paid now. Ridiculous..

after being super bowl mvp as well as the most decorated QB in franchise history. or we could go through the list Zeire Wright Banks Dilfer Grbac Case Boller Mcnair Smith Flacco is well worth it compared to that list if we had our 2000 D maybe but that prior list with our D this bad we would win like 2 games a year Flacco all day. Also Flacco has as many rings as Rodgers ranking a QB do you want wins and rings or Madden  numbers

Edited January 17, 2016 by Wildabeast88